When was the Psalm 2:7 decree spoken to Meshiah?

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dak

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When did the Father speak the decree of Psalm 2:7 to the Meshiah or Christos, His Anointed One?

Psalms 2:7 KJV
7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou art my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Hebrews 1:5 KJV
5 For unto which of the angels said he at any time, Thou art my Son, this day have I begotten thee? And again, I will be to him a Father, and he shall be to me a Son?

Hebrews 5:4-5 KJV
4 And no man taketh this honour unto himself, but he that is called of God, as was Aaron.
5 So also Christ glorified not himself to be made an high priest; but he that said unto him, Thou art my Son, to day have I begotten thee.
 

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The Psalmist wrote this to describe Christ's reign on Earth and the coronation of the King of Kings, Jesus Christ. Yahweh proclaims this several times in the New Testament. When the Psalmist wrote it is a moot point. All the Psalms were written between 1440 bc beginning with Moses and ending 586 bc at the Babylonian captivity.
 

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The Psalmist wrote this to describe Christ's reign on Earth and the coronation of the King of Kings, Jesus Christ. Yahweh proclaims this several times in the New Testament.

Where and when did He speak the words to Meshiah? Any scripture quotes?

When the Psalmist wrote it is a moot point. All the Psalms were written between 1440 bc beginning with Moses and ending 586 bc at the Babylonian captivity.

Okay, but what about the question in the OP?
 

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Question: Do you believe Paul wrote the epistle to the Hebrews?
I believe Paul greatly influenced the writer so much I'd give Paul the majority credit. However, the Greek it was written in was of a higher degree of education, which matches Dr. Luke's writings in Luke and Acts. So, likely it was a sermon of Paul's that was written down by Dr. Luke. I believe the "Faith Chapter" was not Paul's but one of his companions, like Apollos, who could argue eloquently. So without naming anyone as a writer, the Hebrews letter was powerful on its own to be added to the bible. So, yes, I think the Apostle Paul's name should be on the letter if only because of the Pauline doctrine contained in it.
 

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I believe Paul greatly influenced the writer so much I'd give Paul the majority credit. However, the Greek it was written in was of a higher degree of education, which matches Dr. Luke's writings in Luke and Acts. So, likely it was a sermon of Paul's that was written down by Dr. Luke. I believe the "Faith Chapter" was not Paul's but one of his companions, like Apollos, who could argue eloquently. So without naming anyone as a writer, the Hebrews letter was powerful on its own to be added to the bible. So, yes, I think the Apostle Paul's name should be on the letter if only because of the Pauline doctrine contained in it.

Your final statement is most important: for what if "Luke", (a.k.a. "the Physician"), is actually one of Paul's scribes? (or, as they say, amanuensis), like Tertius for the book of Romans? There is also strong evidence that the Gospel now called Luke may actually be the written Gospel account of Paul, (written through Luke, his scribe?), which he quotes from essentially verbatim to the Corinthians, (1Cor 11:23-25). I have touched on this in the thread Paul's Gospel, but even if this high probability is incorrect we still have the fact that the Gospel of Luke is still, for all intents and purposes, the Gospel of Paul.

So we have the Gospel of Luke and the Epistle to the Hebrews reflecting the same Gospel as Paul's Gospel, and we have also the book of Acts which is in the same category as the Gospel of Luke, then we have the Gospel of Paul preached in the remainder of his Epistles. Thus we have not three but four mentions of the Psalm 2:7 decree in writings either from Paul or directly related to him.

The first account is the Codex Bezae version of the Luke immersion account:

Luke 3:22 Codex Bezae (D) Uncial Text
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Luke 3:22 Codex Bezae (D) Uncial Text
22 ΚΑΙ ΚΑΤΑΒΗΝΑΙ ΤΟ ΠΝΕΥΜΑ ΤΟ ΑΓΙΟΝ ϹΩΜΑΤΙΚΩ ΕΙΔΕΙ ΩϹ ΠΕΡΙϹΤΕΡΑΝ ΕΙϹ ΑΥΤΟΝ ΚΑΙ ΦΩΝΗΝ ΕΚ ΤΟΥ ΟΥΡΑΝΟΥ ΓΕΝΕϹΘΑΙ ΫΙΟϹ ΜΟΥ ΕΙ ϹΥ ΕΓΩ ϹΗΜΕΡΟΝ ΓΕΓΕΝΝΗΚΑ ϹΕ

ΫΙΟϹ ΜΟΥ ΕΙ ϹΥ ΕΓΩ ϹΗΜΕΡΟΝ ΓΕΓΕΝΝΗΚΑ ϹΕ
You are My Son: this day I have begotten you

Luke 3:22 Codex Bezae (D) Minuscule Transcript
22 και καταβηναι το πνευμα το αγιον σωματικω ειδει ως περιστεραν εις αυτον και φωνην εκ του ουρανου γενεσθαι ϋιος μου ει συ εγω σημερον γεγεννηκα σε

ϋιος μου ει συ εγω σημερον γεγεννηκα σε
You are My Son: this day I have begotten you

Moreover what follows in the Luke account is that the Meshiah, being full of the holy Spirit, immediately goes into the wilderness for forty days to fast and pray and be tested/tempted by the Devil. Then, when the Devil left him, we read the following, again, for all intents and purposes, the Gospel of Paul.

Luke 4:14-21 KJV
14 And Jesus returned in the power of the Spirit into Galilee: and there went out a fame of him through all the region round about.
15 And he taught in their synagogues, being glorified of all.
16 And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read.
17 And there was delivered unto him the book of the prophet Esaias. And when he had opened the book, he found the place where it was written,
18 The Spirit of the Lord [Adonai YHWH, Isa 61:1] is upon me, because he hath anointed me to preach the gospel to the poor; he hath sent me to heal the brokenhearted, to preach deliverance to the captives, and recovering of sight to the blind, to set at liberty them that are bruised,
19 To preach the acceptable year of the Lord.
20 And he closed the book, and he gave it again to the minister, and sat down. And the eyes of all them that were in the synagogue were fastened on him.
21 And he began to say unto them, This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears.

The above no doubt speaks of the Meshiah, the Christos or Christ, the Anointed One: a man born of the seed of David according to the flesh, according to Paul's Gospel. Then we have also the Psalm 2:7 decree mentioned three more times: Acts 13:33, and the two instances from Heb 1:5 and 5:5.

The Codez Bezae version of Luke 3:22 is also found in a few of the older Latin texts which remain: the evidence for the timing of the decree spoken by the Father to the Anointed One, (which was at the immersion according to Bezae), is still there but getting harder and harder to find as time goes on.
 

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The following page has many proofs, including from patristic sources, statements, and arguments from very early on, from their own mouths, (the so-called church fathers), which reveal that it is highly likely that the Psalm 2:7 decree was also originally contained in the Gospel now known as Matthew. If Acts and Hebrews both speak of the decree, and plainly state that it was spoken to the Meshiah, then it had to be referring to some place in the Gospel accounts, which are the only places we find the Father speaking to His Chosen One from the heavens.

One of those places was Luke 3:22 and the other was very likely in the Matthew immersion account. It did not happen in eternity past or eternity future, (such as after the resurrection as some maintain), because scripture does not work that way: the writers of holy writ do not make bold claims about something that they really have no clue about whether it actually happened or not. It happened in the Gospel accounts in the immersion narratives.