Where does the New Testament say?
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historyb
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Jostler
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1 John 2:27 NASB — As for you, the anointing which you received from Him abides in you, and you have no need for anyone to teach you; but as His anointing teaches you about all things, and is true and is not a lie, and just as it has taught you, you abide in Him.
historyb
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Still doesn't say go by the Bible alone especially since St. Paul says to go by what is written and what is oral
Jostler
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I'm not alone, with the Holy Spirit Himself as my Teacher :) Who better to explain the message than the One who wrote it? :)
Go ask a Roman Catholic, aren't they one of the only denominations that creates their own dogma, falsifying their authority by claiming apostolic succession - another man-made device? Their history, dogma, opulence and tyranny patently display their anti-Christian disposition and theology.
But, sorry theefaith, if you knew that already.
This only applies those in the new covenant church founded by Christ on Peter and the apostles with unity of faith, does not include all heretics, apostates, or schismatics only those who are in Christ by true faith and baptism
The HS is only guaranteed to Peter the apostles and their successors
God always establishes order in obedience to hierarchical authority!
The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!
All require obedience to hierarchical authority!
The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!
The angelic order!
The church order!
The family order!
The civil order!
All require obedience to hierarchical authority!
The church is not a democracy but a kingdom!
Jostler
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The Bible
You may receive light and truth from the HS but not guaranteed like the church is.
Jn 8:32 you (the apostles)
Jn 16:13 Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you (the apostles) into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
Acts 8 the spirit sent the apostle and he preached Jesus resulting Mk 16:16 faith and baptism
1 Timothy 3:15
But if I tarry long, that thou mayest know how thou oughtest to behave thyself in the house of God, which is the church of the living God, the pillar and ground of the truth.
Jostler
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It appears you just set two doctrines there. Who gave you the authority to do that if "noone" is allowed to set doctrine?
Jostler
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Acts 2:38 NASB — Peter said to them, “Repent, and each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
So who was Peter speaking to when he promised they would receive the Holy Spirit?
Does give you a guarantee of divine truth, that’s the life of God witching you with grace, now you must obey thee faith rom 1:5 and submit to your superiors heb 13:17
And be taught
Teaching authority of the Apostles and their successors in the church founded in the one true founded by Jesus Christ!
Jesus Christ is the head of the church, (eph 5:23) the body of Christ,
(col 1:18) the new and eternal covenant, (pre-figured Jer 31:31) (Heb 8:8) new covenant replaces the Mosaic covenant, (Heb 8:13) Christ replaces David as king, (Lk 1:32-33) Jesus Christ is the only mediator between God and men, (1 Tim 2:5 & Heb 12:24) but a mediator remains on earth mediating between God and His people, but Christ ascended to heaven, (acts 1) before He did He founded His church, on Peter, and the apostles, and their successors!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 16:13
Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
We must be taught by Peter, the apostles, and their successors! Lk 10:16 Matt 28:19 Jn 21:17
Matt 28:19 Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
Lk 1:4 That thou mightest know the certainty of those things, wherein thou hast been instructed.
Acts 8:30 And Philip ran thither to him, and heard him read the prophet Esaias, and said, Understandest thou what thou readest?
31 And he said, How can I, except some man should guide me? And he desired Philip that he would come up and sit with him.
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The obedience of faith!
Rom 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name.
Taught the one true faith revealed by Christ to His apostles! Eph 4:5 Jude 1:3
Jostler
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I honestly feel sorry for you, friend. There is a vibrant personal, intimate relationship with the God-Creator of the cosmos available to each of us, by His invitation....i pray you will someday experience that
Not without baptism
Ez 36:25 Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you, and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.
26 A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put withi n you: and I will take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.
27 And I will put my spirit within you, and cause you to walk in my statutes, and ye shall keep my judgments, and do them.
Not without the church
1 Corinthians 12:13
For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
Galatians 3:27
For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.
Not without the apostles
Spiritual Fathers have care for our souls!
Acts 20:28 Take heed therefore unto yourselves, and to all the flock, over the which the Holy Ghost hath made you overseers, to feed the church of God, which he hath purchased with his own blood.
Jn 21:17 feed my sheep:
Heb 13:17 Obey them that have the rule over you, and submit yourselves: for they care for your souls, as they that must give account, that they may do it with joy, and not with grief: for that is unprofitable for you.
1 Tim 1:2 Unto Timothy, my own son in the faith: Grace, mercy, and peace, from God our Father and Jesus Christ our Lord.
Gal 4:19 My little children, of whom I travail in birth again until Christ be formed in you
1 John 2
My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not.
That makes Paul and John spiritual fathers, pastors of our souls!
There are no private personal
Covenants
Just me and Jesus
That’s spiritual anarchy
Love the king but reject the kingdom He established
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Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
Covenants
Just me and Jesus
That’s spiritual anarchy
Love the king but reject the kingdom He established
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Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20
historyb
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How do you know? You see that is the fatal flaw in the Scripture alone position, actually there are two. One fatal flaw is the subject of this thread and the other is this - Why does the Holy Spirit tell you all something different for the same passages? Either God loves chaos or it's yourself that is telling you and you all don't want to admit it so you blame God the Holy Spirit.
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