Who are the Promised Ones who shall possess the Land of God, forever?

[Truth7t7]

You simply misunderstand Gal. chapter 3 brother, and you take away from that chapter just the opposite of what Paul wrote the letter unto the Galatians about. A simple rereading would let you see this, if you understand that Paul is angry at the Galatians because they have started serving the Law (Flesh) in stead of living by Faith alone.

He stars out O foolish Galatian who has bewitched (fooled/deceived) you, having started out in the faith you have now moved to the flesh (Laws). So what comes next is a tirade by Paul where he shows the Galatians why the Laws can not save them, but only the by Faith can they be saved, just like Faithful Abraham.

Then at the very end he does not say we are ALL ONE as you seem to think he is saying, he is actually saying just the opposite, that we all come into the kingdom in the EXACT SAME MANNER be we Jew or Gentile, be we Male or Female.

Question, are there still Females and Males? Of course there are, and there are also Jews and Gentiles, you missed Paul's whole point here, you come to the conclusion he is saying Israel and the Church are ONE, he is not, he's simply saying we come unto Jesus in ONE MANNNER, by Faith, not by serving the Law. If you were correct, then there would also not be any males or females, but that wasn't Paul's point.

Look back at the very 1st verse to see his point, O Foolish Galatians who has deceived you that you starting out in the Faith have now started serving the flesh (Laws). And we know he's speaking about THE LAW because he goes on a diatribe about how its wrong to serve the Law but correct to live by FAITH ALONE.

So, what is the point? Well, who would have told these Gentiles that they needed to serve the LAW? Not Romans, but Jews whom had become Christians and had come in with bad info (like we get on here every day somewhere or another) thus those Galatians were practicing the Laws trying to EARN their way to heaven.

So Paul sees that they think they have to be "like the Jews", or become quasi Jews in order to make it into Heaven, thus Paul say, DON'T DO THAT......There is neither Jew nor Greek, Male nor Female, the male nor female line ought to give you a clue that Paul is not saying we are all one in LIKENESS or one in KIND, he is saying we are ALL ONE in how we come into the Kingdom by FAITH ALONE.

Now go back and reread and see how he says life in Christ is not of THE LAW.........but of THE FAITH ALONE.

In other words, you do not have to be Jews to make it to Heaven so STOP trying to earn your way to heaven via serving the Laws(Flesh = you EARN your way) after having come unto God by Faith.

So, this is how misconstrued understanding can lead us down wrong paths. The Jews are not one as a Nation with the Gentiles, Paul tells us on Rom. 11 they will be grafted back in AFTER the Time of the Gentile is come full (Rapture). He says THEIR (Israel) calling is without repentance.

The Church Is The Israel Of God

Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

 

[Truth7t7]

Because God is All and in All.

"God is not in all as you claim"

God lives within man through God the Holy Spirit, not all men have believed in Jesus Christ and been filled with and sealed by God the Holy Spirit

Ephesians 1:13KJV
13 In whom ye also trusted, after that ye heard the word of truth, the gospel of your salvation: in whom also after that ye believed, ye were sealed with that holy Spirit of promise,

Romans 8:9KJV
9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

 

[Ronald D Milam]

The Church Is The Israel Of God

Gods words clearly show (Two Israel's) below

1.) Israel of the flesh (Jews)

2.) Israel of the promised seed (Church)

Scripture clearly teaches Israel of the flesh, they aren't the children of God, it's that simple

Romans 9:6-8KJV

6 Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel: 7 Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called. 8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Yes the Kingdom of God has been taken from National Ethnic Israel, And Given To The Church, a "Holy Nation" as clearly seen below

Matthew 21:43KJV

3 Therefore say I unto you, The kingdom of God shall be taken from you, and given to a nation bringing forth the fruits thereof.

1 Peter 2:9KJV

9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvellous light;

Must I explain Rom. 9-11, as I have done so many times? Reread Rom. 11 and look at how many times Paul call separates the Church and Israel with THEM, THEY etc. etc. I have a blog on thus from long ago.

Are there no males and females? The point was you get just the opposite out of Gal. 3 then what Paul is saying. I will come back and do all three chapters later today, I got to run.

You are taking this verse out of context, 2/3 of the end time Jews will not repent and will perish, so naturally they are not all Jews (of the faith). But norther are all Gentles of the Faith like faithful Abraham, but that doesn't mean I am not American if I am a Christian does it? You are conflating two different things, in Rom. 11 Paul clearly finishes by saying Israel would be grafted back in after the time of the Gentiles come in full.

 

[Truth7t7]

Must I explain Rom. 9-11, as I have done so many times? Reread Rom. 11 and look at how many times Paul call separates the Church and Israel with THEM, THEY etc. etc. I have a blog on thus from long ago.

Are there no males and females? The point was you get just the opposite out of Gal. 3 then what Paul is saying. I will come back and do all three chapters later today, I got to run.

You are taking this verse out of context, 2/3 of the end time Jews will not repent and will perish, so naturally they are not all Jews (of the faith). But norther are all Gentles of the Faith like faithful Abraham, but that doesn't mean I am not American if I am a Christian does it? You are conflating two different things, in Rom. 11 Paul clearly finishes by saying Israel would be grafted back in after the time of the Gentiles come in full.

I fully agree the Lord has a 1/3 "remnant elect" Jew, those whom God foreknew, they will be saved and added to the Church on earth

Gods Jew is spiritual, and circumcision is that in the heart and not the flesh, there is neither Jew nor Greek in the Church, we will disagree

 

[APAK]

The Kingdom (Eden) where God created a garden and put man in it to tend it... is still there.
When man sinned he was brought back to the place where he originated from.. the earth.

The meek shall inherit the "earth" in my opinion are the "new man" ..oh how can I say this...
the next generation of Adam unblemished. Placed in the garden to keep it.
They are the "trees" in the garden.. this generation of the meek.

We .. our minds are confined to this space and time we inhabit. It is hard to expand the mind and see outside the box.

Eden is all around us, it is around the universe, it is life, it is energy, it is ALL.
But it is a different dimension then this physical 3D plane we live in.
This is perhaps like a jail or even hell, compared to the freedom and liberty of heaven.

These "meek" are the very grains or dirt (ashes) which the Lord forms into a new Life.
And we shall be changed, it doth not yet appear what we shall be, but we know when we see him, we shall be like him... (memory)

This transition is the gathering... the gathering...
And we together are formed as one mankind and placed once again in Eden to tend the garden.. the City of God, Paradise...

Only the meek shall inherit this "earth" this body, this new man..kind...
And we will be the men walking as trees in the garden of which when the first Adam and Eve sinned hid among.
I see men walking as trees...
He saw us.. future.. or the other dimension outside this box we call planet earth.

Just because we can't see it with our eyes or touch it with our hands, doesn't mean it doesn't exist.
On the contrary. That existence is far more real than anything we will ever experience in this life.

Those my thoughts..
Hugs

I think you are making my point here, unless you think Eden = New Jerusalem as an earthly paradise. New Jerusalem is the new paradise the new Eden where yes we live as light and energy etc. In another dimension if you will, where measure of time is quite different...

 

[Ziggy]

I think you are making my point here, unless you think Eden = New Jerusalem as an earthly paradise. New Jerusalem is the new paradise the new Eden where yes we live as light and energy etc. In another dimension if you will, where measure of time is quite different...

I do not believe Eden is a physical place.
I believe it is a state of being.
Although I do believe God created a replica of Eden on Earth. A 3D version if you will.
This Eden (earthly) is the center of the world or location, middle east.

The New Jerusalem, which is the spiritual Jerusalem has always been there and always will.
What gets renewed or re-replicated is the 3D version.

If we all go to heaven, then what need is there for a new heaven and a new earth?
I believe it is Jeremiah which gives a very detailed description of what had happened when God came and saw the earth void and without form, and no man to till the ground.
Then in Genesis Chapter one we see the healing (let there be light) light remaking or renewing the world once again.

Just like God told Moses to replicate the temple, God himself re-replicates and renews the earth at the end of it's ages.
Everything in the physical world has a beginning and an ending. Whether by neglect, illness, war, or famine.
A tree can grow for hundreds of years but it is not and can not be infinite.
We don't know the timeline of the earth truly. How old it is, when it began, and what is it's expiration date.
Man can move that timeline shorter by abusing what he has been given to care for.
Whether it be his body, his car, his house, his garden, the water, air, animals, earth itself.
We are a destructive force.. for some reason.

But the original spiritual version is not so. It is perfect and eternal. It won't rust or mold or grow old and die.
It is outside time and space. And yet it is all around us at the same time. We jsut can't see it because we haven't attained that depth, height, width.. dimension, understanding.. knowing.. yet.
And we won't until this body has fulfilled it's course.

Sometimes people are fortunate and they get a glimpse of it and share their visions with others. They are given a gift which gives us hope.

The book of Revelation and the vision of Jeremiah go hand in hand.
The destruction taking place in Revelation with the trumpets and the vials.. the end of that is what Jeremiah talks about.
In Genesis, God takes Jeremiah's vision and begins again. Which is what we see at the end of the book of Revelation with the New Jerusalem.

In this order:

Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Eden is a state of being. A spiritual existence.
When Adam ate the fruit he became earthy, worldly... where art thou?
Adam was sent back to this 3D existence, from whence he was taken...

And Jesus is coming back for us to take us and to make us a new man once again and placed in Eden to tend it and keep it.

How many times have we come round?
I don't know. But I believe we are at the end of this one, and the new day is on the horizon.

I believe God will have all men to be saved.. eventually.
If not in this go round, then perhaps the next...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Will the remnants of evildoers one day have a chance at salvation?
God knows..

Hugs

 

[Timtofly]

By all means please explain "Where" in scripture Amil's over symbolize?

Well you like to symbolize Revelation 20 leaving nothing literal in the passage, after you make all your points.

 

[Truth7t7]

Well you like to symbolize Revelation 20 leaving nothing literal in the passage, after you make all your points.

Your claim is false, It's all literal, Angel's, Heaven, Devil, Satan, The Souls, The Dead, God, Christ, 100% Literal, "all seen in the spiritual realm" and this dosent represent a earthly Kingdom with mortal humans running around as Millennialist claim

 

[Enoch111]

I do not believe Eden is a physical place. I believe it is a state of being.

Of course it is a physical/spiritual/heavenly place -- a region -- not a state of being.

The Garden of Eden is also called "the Paradise of God" and it happens to be in Heaven right now. As a matter of fact, the apostle Paul was taken up to Paradise and he heard things which he was not allowed to utter on earth: I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell -- God knoweth. Such an one caught up to the third heaven. [Note: Paul is speaking about himself] And I knew such a man, whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell -- God knoweth: How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (2 Cor 12:2-4)

Here is what Jesus said: He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; To him that overcometh will I give to eat of the tree of life, which is in the midst of the paradise of God (Rev 2:7)

If you recall, the tree of life was in the midst of the Garden of Eden. Therefore that Garden was supernaturally removed to Heaven after the Fall. It is now called "the Paradise of God". And Christ promised Paradise to the repentant criminal who believed on Him (and who is presently there with all the saints in heavenly New Jerusalem).

 

[Truth7t7]

If we all go to heaven, then what need is there for a new heaven and a new earth?
I believe it is Jeremiah which gives a very detailed description of what had happened when God came and saw the earth void and without form, and no man to till the ground.
Then in Genesis Chapter one we see the healing (let there be light) light remaking or renewing the world once again.

Just like God told Moses to replicate the temple, God himself re-replicates and renews the earth at the end of it's ages.
Everything in the physical world has a beginning and an ending. Whether by neglect, illness, war, or famine.
A tree can grow for hundreds of years but it is not and can not be infinite.
We don't know the timeline of the earth truly. How old it is, when it began, and what is it's expiration date.
Man can move that timeline shorter by abusing what he has been given to care for.
Whether it be his body, his car, his house, his garden, the water, air, animals, earth itself.
We are a destructive force.. for some reason.

But the original spiritual version is not so. It is perfect and eternal. It won't rust or mold or grow old and die.
It is outside time and space. And yet it is all around us at the same time. We jsut can't see it because we haven't attained that depth, height, width.. dimension, understanding.. knowing.. yet.
And we won't until this body has fulfilled it's course.

Sometimes people are fortunate and they get a glimpse of it and share their visions with others. They are given a gift which gives us hope.

The book of Revelation and the vision of Jeremiah go hand in hand.
The destruction taking place in Revelation with the trumpets and the vials.. the end of that is what Jeremiah talks about.
In Genesis, God takes Jeremiah's vision and begins again. Which is what we see at the end of the book of Revelation with the New Jerusalem.

In this order:

Rev 18:21 And a mighty angel took up a stone like a great millstone, and cast it into the sea, saying, Thus with violence shall that great city Babylon be thrown down, and shall be found no more at all.
Rev 18:22 And the voice of harpers, and musicians, and of pipers, and trumpeters, shall be heard no more at all in thee; and no craftsman, of whatsoever craft he be, shall be found any more in thee; and the sound of a millstone shall be heard no more at all in thee;
Rev 18:23And the light of a candle shall shine no more at all in thee; and the voice of the bridegroom and of the bride shall be heard no more at all in thee: for thy merchants were the great men of the earth; for by thy sorceries were all nations deceived.
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of prophets, and of saints, and of all that were slain upon the earth.

Jer 4:23 I beheld the earth, and, lo, it was without form, and void; and the heavens, and they had no light.
Jer 4:24 I beheld the mountains, and, lo, they trembled, and all the hills moved lightly.
Jer 4:25 I beheld, and, lo, there was no man, and all the birds of the heavens were fled.
Jer 4:26 I beheld, and, lo, the fruitful place was a wilderness, and all the cities thereof were broken down at the presence of the LORD, and by his fierce anger.
Jer 4:27 For thus hath the LORD said, The whole land shall be desolate; yet will I not make a full end.
Jer 4:28 For this shall the earth mourn, and the heavens above be black: because I have spoken it, I have purposed it, and will not repent, neither will I turn back from it.

Gen 1:2 And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness was upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.

Rev 21:1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
Rev 21:2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
Rev 21:3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
Rev 21:4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
Rev 21:5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.
Rev 21:6 And he said unto me, It is done. I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. I will give unto him that is athirst of the fountain of the water of life freely.
Rev 21:7 He that overcometh shall inherit all things; and I will be his God, and he shall be my son.

Gen 3:8 And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.
Gen 3:9 And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
Gen 3:10 And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
Gen 3:11 And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?


Gen 3:23 Therefore the LORD God sent him forth from the garden of Eden, to till the ground from whence he was taken.
Gen 3:24 So he drove out the man; and he placed at the east of the garden of Eden Cherubims, and a flaming sword which turned every way, to keep the way of the tree of life.

Eden is a state of being. A spiritual existence.
When Adam ate the fruit he became earthy, worldly... where art thou?
Adam was sent back to this 3D existence, from whence he was taken...

And Jesus is coming back for us to take us and to make us a new man once again and placed in Eden to tend it and keep it.

How many times have we come round?
I don't know. But I believe we are at the end of this one, and the new day is on the horizon.

I believe God will have all men to be saved.. eventually.
If not in this go round, then perhaps the next...

Rev 22:14 Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
Rev 22:15 For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

Will the remnants of evildoers one day have a chance at salvation?
God knows..

Hugs

Scripture clearly teaches God creates a New Heaven, Earth, Jerusalem, as seen below in scripture

"Behold, I Make All Things New"

Revelation 21:1-5KJV
1 And I saw a new heaven and a new earth: for the first heaven and the first earth were passed away; and there was no more sea.
2 And I John saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down from God out of heaven, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.
3 And I heard a great voice out of heaven saying, Behold, the tabernacle of God is with men, and he will dwell with them, and they shall be his people, and God himself shall be with them, and be their God.
4 And God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes; and there shall be no more death, neither sorrow, nor crying, neither shall there be any more pain: for the former things are passed away.
5 And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.