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Who Did Cain Marry

Discussion in 'Bible Study Forum' started by Christina, Sep 13, 2006.

  1. snaggs

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    Cain married a female from the land of Nod.Cain's descendents are not in Adam's genealogy; if it had been a sister of Cain that he married, the descendents would have been, at least in part, some of Adam's genealogy.No, he took a wife of the 6th day creation. God created all the races and declared that it was good. He loves all his children, no matter what race or what day they were created on.All are equal. There are only two real races; the wheat and the tares.Or put another way, Godly children or children of the devil.
    The scriptures do not say that cain married a female from the land of Nod.additionaly..God had said that" it is not good thatMAN be alone" And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.that does not fit into the 6th day scenario..:bible:
     
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    All mankind (Hebrew 'adam) was created in God's image. You can more aptly translate man as all of the races or mankind in Genesis 1:26. This is opposed to the Adam of Genesis 2 which is Hebrew eth-Ha-adham in Genesis 2:7 where it is rendered man. The latter is speaking specifically of the Adamic line that God created that would later lead to Jesus.If all men were not created in God's likeness, it would say so. However, right there in Genesis 1:26, it clearly states that they are. Take a look around you at all of the races of this earth, do they not look like they were cast from very similar molds once you get past the skin tone? We'll all made in His image.As for Cain, his wife probably came from Nod but we don't know for sure. Cain was reduced to a lot of wondering and I almost wonder if Cain's wife was not from a more exotic location. The Bible isn't clear on exactly when Cain got his wife, but we do know at some point or another he had one and it was not his sister or mother as some want to propose.
     
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    The scriptures do not say that cain married a female from the land of Nod.additionaly..God had said that" it is not good thatMAN be alone" And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.that does not fit into the 6th day scenario..:bible:
    snaggs, using your arguement; the Bible doesn't say Cain didn't marry someone from where he went after he left the Garden of Eden.Cain left Eden and went to the land of Nod.I'm guessing that Abel was young because he didn't have descendents or else they would have been in Adam's genealogy. The first person in Adam's genealogy is Seth; the third child born.It appears that Eve was upset with Cain as she mentions when Seth was born, Seth would replace Abel, whom Cain murdered.So taking one of Eve's other children didn't happen as after he spoke to God and God had spoke to Cain; then he went out from the garden.As for the 6th day creation:GENESIS 1:27-28 This is a seperate creation fromGENESIS 2:7 Read them very carefully. You may need a more accurate Bible translation then you have now.As for Cain; I found the book, " Sargon the Magnificant " about Cain and his descendents very interesting.
     
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    snagg, Genesis 1:27...So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them"Then Genesis 2:7 ...and the Lord God formed man....But God didn't create a woman for Adam until 21-22after Adam could not find a helpmate..That should help seperate the two sets of humansBut keep in mind; God loves all his children equally, and saw all was good.
     
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    snagg, Genesis 1:27...So God created man in His own image, in the image of God created He him; male and female created He them"Then Genesis 2:7 ...and the Lord God formed man....But God didn't create a woman for Adam until 21-22after Adam could not find a helpmate..That should help seperate the two sets of humansBut keep in mind; God loves all his children equally, and saw all was good.
    I understand what your saying ,and I uderstand the 6th day theory, the problem is..God said that man was still alone untill the creation of eve!Not that "Adam" was alone, but Man was alone! the enferance being...there could have been NO populating of Mankind, if Man was alone.also..
    All mankind (Hebrew 'adam) was created in God's image. You can more aptly translate man as all of the races or mankind in Genesis 1:26. This is opposed to the Adam of Genesis 2 which is Hebrew eth-Ha-adham in Genesis 2:7 where it is rendered man. The latter is speaking specifically of the Adamic line that God created that would later lead to Jesus.
    The Root word in Gen 1:27 for "MAN" is the very same in Gen 2:18..the Hebrew meaning is "red" being translated >Adam, from "ed") I just do not see Genesis having any support for the 6th day theory[​IMG]
     
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    Notice that it says, even in the King James "the man":Genesis 2:18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.This is referring to eth-Ha-adham otherwise known as Adam. It's addressed as the man for a reason, because it is specifically speaking to the man Adam. We know this because of the prior verses:'Genesis 2:7-8And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.Genesis 2:15-16And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:What goes on in Genesis 2 is not a part of Genesis 1:26-29; these are two different events of God's creation with Adam and Eve being separate from the initial man that was created.
     
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    I updated but it posted befor your post Swampfox
     
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    Right, but you're missing the articles which has everything to do with determining what the word means.'adam all on its own means "man" as in the sense of mankind or the races that makeup mankind. I prefer the latter because it clears up some of the mud that has been thrown over the word from its misuse. When 'adam appears in Genesis 1:26, there is no article in the Hebrew and hence it should be translated in the mankind sense.When you add the particle 'eth and combine with with the article, it changes the meaning to a very specific language meaning "this same; this very." It is used in a very emphatic sense and it only occurs when it talks about the creation of Adam in Genesis 2. The Adamic line is a line of man but it deserves an asterisk by it because it was not creation on the 6th day.When you read the Hebrew inscriptions it's render 'eth-Ha-adham which literally translates "this same man Adam." The Companion Bible does a better job than I could ever do in summing this up. You can find it in Appendix 14 and in the margin notes of Genesis 1 and Genesis 2.
     
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    SnaggsI might be misunderstaning your point but does this help let me say God created man but this man did not have the breath of God in him he was more animalistic this man was created on the 6th day remember a day here is a thousand years he then created "THE "Man "Adam" his body may have still been simular but this man God breathed his breath (spark,soul) into him (Adam) setting him apart (spiritualy) from those types of man occupying the land of Nod
     
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    These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, 5and every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. 6But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. 7And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.It is hard for me accept the 6th day scenario for the creation of man, that theory has produced some extreme beliefs. That is a different subject though, ..I do not accept a 1000 year day of rest where the creation multiplied into various divisions that resulted in the populations of lands, with the seed of Cain! The sons of the devil, or, some of the other extreme ideas that I have read.I am more inclined to believe that we have not reached the 7th day, we are still in the 6th day of creation. God rested on the 7th day because he is God and can do that! Not limited to the constraints of time that we are, we have not yet reached the day where He God, is resting.I do not believe God created Adam, after he created mankind with no soul! That does not fit in My understanding of the working of God, and My perception of scripture. With not being descended from Adam, they would not be under the curse of Adam, and how does that equate with the God of all wisdom, Justice, and Love, to condemn a pre-adamic mankind to death, for the Sin of Adam? I just don’t buy it !! :naughty:
     
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    I understand what you are saying but there is where that creation vs Science argument pops its ugly head up and sense God is the not author confusion and I do't believe all science is wrong I fall on the other side I guess it one of things that humans will argue till God tells us how it is. Maybe were all wrong (lol)
     
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    I do not accept a 6 day creation either in the sense that it is being wrongly taught by limiting it to the sixth day. We know happened and we know that God rested on the 7th, but things don't end there. You cannot try and fit God's Word to days, years, or thousands of years for that matter like so many have tried to do with this flawed theory of creationist evolution.I also can not say that I believe in this unlimited 7th day stuff. If that were the case and God was still resting on the 7th day or that we haven't made it there yet - I've heard it all. Why has He been present in affairs throughout history in the Bible? He'd be breaking His own Word if he had done this. You can rule out the idea that we're in the 7th day for this and the fact that it again attempts to stretch time and put it on our own terms.The timeline of Genesis is pretty specific as well. The idea that we have yet to reach the 7th day runs into problems very quickly:Genesis 2:1Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, And every plant of the field before it was in the earth, and every herb of the field before it grew: for the LORD God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and there was not a man to till the ground. But there went up a mist from the earth, and watered the whole face of the ground. And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.For the idea that we've not yet made the 7th day, look at the tenses here - they'll all in the past because this is completed action. Just doesn't work.Let me ask you a question, though. Given that you do not accept what I believe - and label is as "extreme" though that means a hill of beans to me with all due respect - where did the races come from? I suspect that your answer will be the Tower of Babel episode but I'm just curious here and this ties into what I believe.(Please don't take my tone here to be too rude, it's very difficult sometimes to convey the proper emotion behind what I am saying.)
     
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    Notice that it says, even in the King James "the man":Genesis 2:18And the LORD God said, It is not good that the man should be alone; I will make him an help meet for him.This is referring to eth-Ha-adham otherwise known as Adam. It's addressed as the man for a reason, because it is specifically speaking to the man Adam. We know this because of the prior verses:'Genesis 2:7-8And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul. And the LORD God planted a garden eastward in Eden; and there he put the man whom he had formed.Genesis 2:15-16And the LORD God took the man, and put him into the garden of Eden to dress it and to keep it. And the LORD God commanded the man, saying, Of every tree of the garden thou mayest freely eat:What goes on in Genesis 2 is not a part of Genesis 1:26-29; these are two different events of God's creation with Adam and Eve being separate from the initial man that was created.
    Excellent post, SwampFox!!
     
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    Let me ask you a question, though. Given that you do not accept what I believe - and label is as "extreme" though that means a hill of beans to me with all due respect - where did the races come from? I suspect that your answer will be the Tower of Babel episode but I'm just curious here and this ties into what I believe.(Please don't take my tone here to be too rude, it's very difficult sometimes to convey the proper emotion behind what I am saying.)
    I was actually refering to some of the racist theory that have come out of that view, I have even read a version of the Jew's being the decendants of Satan, steming from a similiar view..as to my coment about "extreme"I personaly lean more twords an enviornmental influence, combined with gene pool restrictions for the shaping of the races. God certainly could have infuenced the DNA to suit the provisional needs as well.As for the 7th day...God did rest on the 7th day, I do not dispute that! I do not accept that God created Adam after the 6th day of creation, leaving a race of mankind behind the knowledge of Good & Evil from the Garden.as for the Rest...we have not made that yet! the work of the 6th day is still being completed. in the 6th day God created ALL THAT HE CREATED all of the 6th day creation has not yet been fulfilled. "for whom he foreknew he also pre-destined, to be coformed to the image of his Son!" that is what Prohecy speaks of...the fulfilling of his work that has not yet happened. and Christ is the way to get to that 7th day of rest! and that is all part of the work he created in the 6th day! He Knows the end from the beginning becaus he created it to destroy the works of Lucifer.
     
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    I was actually refering to some of the racist theory that have come out of that view, I have even read a version of the Jew's being the decendants of Satan, steming from a similiar view..as to my coment about "extreme"
    Well that's a part of what society has conditioned us to think about racism. I've heard my own viewpoint labeled racist many a time. (Try telling God that He's racist when you stand before him on His day and see how far that gets you.) Obviously a theory that labels all Jews as Satan's offspring does fall under the true racist category but it also falls under the mularky category as well. It's nonsense.It's really not racist at all, but it one has to step back and look at it with common sense. God created Adam as a human; he wasn't endowed with super abilities or a "better" breed of human. The single difference was Adam was endowed with the knowledge that our Father gave him. I don't like to label the mankind of day 6 as soulless savages or anything of that nature by any means.This doesn't make Adam that different at all. He was created on a different day but he was created in God's image and has just as many flaws as the rest of us.
     
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    You can't blame our troubles on Adam, that's certainly not a Biblical excuse either to talk about things not being in the Bible. It's not Adam's fault that we sin and there's no Scripture that says it is. That's totally an invention of man and a poor excuse that I cannot stand to hear. Flesh is corruption as we are told but that's flesh; it's not corrupt because Adam sinned. As for the Scripture you highlighted above, the meaning of it can easily be construed. We know the last man to be Jesus yet he was obviously not the literal last man of our race because you and I are alive today. He's already been made a quickening spirit. This refers to the specific line of Adam of which the lineage can be traced to Jesus.
     
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    You can't blame our troubles on Adam, that's certainly not a Biblical excuse either to talk about things not being in the Bible. It's not Adam's fault that we sin and there's no Scripture that says it is. That's totally an invention of man and a poor excuse that I cannot stand to hear. Flesh is corruption as we are told but that's flesh; it's not corrupt because Adam sinned. As for the Scripture you highlighted above, the meaning of it can easily be construed. We know the last man to be Jesus yet he was obviously not the literal last man of our race because you and I are alive today. He's already been made a quickening spirit. This refers to the specific line of Adam of which the lineage can be traced to Jesus.
    I'm shocked to read such a post !! you not only miss-quoted my post---and scripture, but accuse me of trying to find blame for mans corruption. then you defend your own assertions... I'm just a bit more educated that that Swampfox .....please..:naughty:
     
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    When i read the Genesis, i also queried in my mind about the 6th day mankind creation then Adam as two seperate events...but eventually i think it might not be true, because Bible says Adam is the first man, and that Eve is the mother of all living.
     
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