Who is Israel?

[manichunter]

Who is Israel? ________________________________________Who is Israel?God by His own sovereignty changed Jacob's name from the sup-planter to Israel, a prince that has power with God (Gen 32:28). Would God and could God do this again? Was this the foreshadowing of a future event? God had just created a nation that was not a nation (Gen 12:2). God has a way begetting things from the invisible to the visible, from nowhere to here.Israel is called by God's name and no other nation can make this claim (Isa 65:1). Anyone else who makes this claim is sup-planter. God made this physical nation from Jacob. Then God started begetting things again (Matt 1:23). The Son of God, the king of kings that sits of throne of David, and Groom of the bride is begotten from spirit to flesh (John 1:1). He ushered in a kingdom as well and translated the nation (Mark 1:15). However, He did not create a physical nation, but a spiritual nation (John 18:36). Lets see if this was foreshadowed. (Jer 31:31) God said He establish a new covenant with Judah and Israel. (Jer 31:32-34) God said that this covenant would be different than the first covenant. (Eze 36:27) God said that He would put His spirit in them, write His Torah on their hearts, and cause them keep His Torah. (Acts 2:1-4) shows that God kept His promise with Israel. However, this was not the same Israel because its was birth differently (John 3:6). Spiritual Israel was born. From out of the natural and physical nation of Israel, the spiritual nation of Israel was born not after the flesh, but spirit (Rom 2:28, 29). It became the olive tree and means of God establishing His spiritual people and eternal kingdom (Rom 11:17). The olive tree has always been God's symbol of Israel (Jer 11:16, 17).Some of the branches that were native to the olive tree stayed attached to Israel, the olive tree (Rom 11:7). These are the elect of Israel that accepted the spiritual covenant, circumcision of the heart, and had the Torah written on their heart. They are sent forth according the promise of Isaiah 49:5-9. They are betroth to Yeshua and are being made ready for the wedding ceremony to the Groom (Rev 21:9). They are required to live in the Holy Spirit (friend of the bridegroom) in order to be prepared to rule with their King. They do not have to be tamed because they are native (Rom 9:4). They keep the Torah by the Holy Spirit and not flesh and carnality. They are the initiating possessors of the spiritual birth rite, inheritance, and promises. The New Jerusalem sit on the foundations of the original twelve apostles as a honor to them (Eph 2: 19-22; Rev 21:14).Then we have the native branches that were cut off because of their unbelief (Rom 11:20). They are still natural and physical Israel after the flesh (Rom 9: 1-5 and 1 Cor 10:18). They are now without the olive tree and have been cast to the ground with the Gentiles. They can be grafted back onto the olive tree again by being born again in spirit by the Holy Spirit (Rom 11:23,24). Some have continued to keep the Torah by flesh and carnality.Lastly, we have gentile believers who are grafted onto the olive tree. They were from another tree called the wild olive tree and have come into the kingdom by faith in the Savior of Israel (Rom 11:17-20). They were not native to the olive tree of Israel. They have to be fused onto the tree of Israel; and just like real life branches that are grafted onto a tree, they take on the properties and identity of the tree they are grafted onto. They have become Israel by being grafted into the second covenant, circumcision of the heart, and the writing of the law on their hearts as well (Eph 2:11-13). However, they have to be tamed since they were wild and not native to the spiritual nation (1 Cor 9:21). They have never had Torah and have always been lawless. They have to learn how to be Spiritual Israel since they are foreign (Eph 3:5,6).In conclusion, the Israel of God is still a nation. However, it is not a nation after any flesh. It is a nation of people born of spirit by the Holy Spirit. It is a nation that has yet to be fully manifested until the wedding feast. God created Israel to be the people of God from the breathe He gave Adam unto eternity. We fall short and into sin when we consider our flesh and carnality first. God no longer has a kingdom and a people of flesh, race, denomination, and/or creed. God is not in our physical creation called denominations and creeds. God is by the Holy Spirit inhabits Spiritual Israel. So, who is Israel? Israel can be found within any physical congregation of Christian and Messianic Jewish believers. Moreover, the elect of Israel are about to recognized themselves and come out from among the nations and institutions of flesh. They are sent forth according the promise of Isaiah 49:5-9. There is no such thing as a Spiritual "Church", but a Spiritual Israel of Yahweh, the bride of Yeshua that is the Body of Christ.Thanks for reading most post. I know some will not agree, so I say before hand, "feel free to give me a spiritual beating." I write these posts to expand my thoughts, meditations, and studies. I use the contributors' follow up posts to correct and prepare my messages. Now blast me and throw stones at me. LOL. Love always Manichunter. Peace out.

 

[tim_from_pa]

All the OT covenants are in effect save the Law. And even then when I mention the Law, it's not the principles which are no longer in effect, but just the method of personal salvation from sin being replaced by the sacrifice in Christ. Notice that even the New Covenant used an actual literal sacrifice of Christ.When God said he'd write the Law in a New Covenant on the hearts of Judah and Israel, that meant that the entrusting of Christianity would actually be with the physical seed of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob. In other words, same sports team so-to-speak, just a new game. And for what purpose? To be a blessing to the rest of the world. And therefore, the gospel according to scripture would have been entrusted to Israelites at all points in time and not the Gentiles, although the Gentiles were happily tacked on (as opposed to Gentiles being the main number of the olive branches and only a few Israelites left). my estimate is that there are countless millions of Israelites in this world, probably closer to a billion that are the seed of Jacob, and there are also about 13 million Jews last I heard.This all hinges on the birthright. Unfortunately, those who often bring up the subject of Israel do not even have a clue as to what the birthright was and what it meant (remember what Jacob stole from Esau). These promises have everything to do nationally and spiritually, including ultimately what would be the church coming from them.Here's a link to the birthright thread I once started. I'm Hungry: Sell me your birthright

 

[sharon333]

Thanks for the link. This stuff is all very interesting to me.

 

[Richard_oti]

A simple follower of the Way, one of the Israel of YHVH.

 

[n2thelight]

In the Old Testament we had a man in Christ’s genealogy named Eber {Gen 11:16} (spelled Heber in N.T. {Luke 3:35}). From him we get the name Hebrews. Then in the process of time, through Heber’s family we came to Abraham, who begat Isaac, who begat Jacob. Now God changed Jacob’s name to Israel and he had 12 sons. These twelve sons are the Patriarchs (founding fathers) of the Twelve Tribes of Israel. There was no such thing as Israel in the Bible until these twelve sons were born (approx. 1775-1728 B.C.). And God changes Jacob's name to Israel in (Gen 32:28 - approx.1739 B.C.). So prior to this the family of Adam (Formed in 4004 B.C.) was God’s chosen and it was they whom through the promise was to come. And by 'chosen' I mean that through them God would save ALL peoples. God loves all His children! Please do not read racism or anti-Semitism into this, there is no racism or anti-Semitism with God’s Word, but satan so loves to plant seeds of discord, so resist the temptation to be used in this manner (race baiting).In the process of time these Twelve Tribes had a rift, and the split into two Kingdoms:The Southern Kingdom:Consisted of two of the tribes (Judah and Benjamin) and were called Judah with their capital in Jerusalem.Judah punished:Because of idolatry, God also punished Judah, and the Two Tribe Southern Kingdom Judah was taken into captivity by the Babylonians. In 477 B.C.* Nebuchadnezzar took Jerusalem and destroyed the Temple of God (the same location of the Temple Mount in modern Israel). At this time there are still no Jews, there is only the Kingdom of Judah. ‘Jew’ is a term that we will explain later, but for now understand that it is a religious designation and not a national identifier. In other words, contrary to popular misconception, you are not born a Jew but become one by that particular brand of religion (Judaism). More on that later. [ *all dating as per Companion Bible by E.W. Bullinger] The Northern Kingdom:Consisting of the other Ten Tribes were called Israel and their capital was at Samaria.Israel punished:Because of idolatry, God punished Israel, and The Ten Tribe Israel nation was taken into captivity by the Assyrians and Israel became a province of Assyria in 611 B.C.* and the people Israel dropped out of the Biblical narrative and profane history as well for the most part. They became not a people (lo-ammi). In the process of time SOME of the Kingdom of Judah were allowed to return to Jerusalem, most did not. So this small contingent of the Tribe of Judah stayed in Jerusalem and intermarried with the Babylonians, as well as the Edomites (sons of Esau Jacob/Israels’s brother by Isaac) and the Kenites (sons of Cain, which was the son of the serpent/satan {Gen 3:15}). These formed their own religion that was much different than the Old Testament religion of the Hebrews. These who are now called "Jews" added to the Old Testament Scriptures their own "Oral Law" called Talmud. This of course was a corruption of God’s Old Testament religion and the work of satan. It is these Jews that were in control of the Temple during Christ’s time, it is them that Christ so often chastised and rebuked, it is them that Jesus told:John 8:4444 Ye are of [progeny; Greek word #1537 ek (out of)] your father the devil [satan - the serpent in the Garden of Eden], and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning [Cain - Kenites], and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it [satan/serpent uttered first lie (Gen 3:4)]. (KJV) And it is them that killed the Son of God Jesus Christ by forcing the hand of pagan Rome. So today, when someone calls themselves a Jew they most likely aren’t, they are just ignorant to the preceding events. Not all of Israel or Judah are Jews and none of the Jews are Israel or Judah. It is these Jews that are in large number in modern day Israel (though there are also some true Judah and Israel there as well - they should be properly called Hebrews not Jews - but they don’t know this, it has been kept from them, they don’t know who they are, they have been betrayed by their parents ... parents ... parents). But all can be saved through Christ Jesus! So in a perversion of truth, these Jews call themselves the chosen of God but in fact are the offspring of Judah that intermarried with the heathen peoples and formed their own perverted religion that disobeys God at almost every turn. The Jewish Anti Defamation League (among others) has suppressed this type of information and labels those who teach it as "anti-Semitic" or "racist" to discredit them, hide the truth, and proliferate the apostasy away from God (though some racists take this teaching and equally in ignorance use it in hate, we are not among that group). But the term "anti-Semetic" is itself a misnomer, for those called "Jews" have very little if any Semitic blood in their veins and they have apostate into heathen religion and forsook God. They have more blood of Cain (Kenites) and the Edomites (Esua - Khazer Jews of Russia) in their veins than blood of Israel or true Judah for that matter. Call it the fox in the hen house if you will. But NOT ALL HEBREW PEOPLE ARE JEWS, in fact, very very very few Hebrew peoples became Jews, and true Israel and true Judah know not who they are. Ok, so what happened to Israel, the Ten Tribe Northern Kingdom? Did they die off? God forbid, for had they, then God’s Word would have failed, for God promised Abraham that his seed should be as the sand of the sea for multitude:Gen 32:9-129 And Jacob said, O God of my father Abraham, and God of my father Isaac, the LORD which saidst unto me, Return unto thy country, and to thy kindred, and I will deal well with thee................(Gen 32:12) And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV) Well, there are only 13 million Jews on the Planet of over 6 billion people (less that one percent) so where is the multitude as the sand of the sea? Did God make a mistake, or lie to Abraham in the Covenant? Of course not!!! This is not possible, God cannot lie {Titus 1:2}! Below we shall show where Israel is today, and we will also clarify who Judah is and the Kenites and the Gentiles. First of all, when studying Biblical history and prophecy, you mustn't confuse the House of Israel with the House of Judah. When you see the 'House of Israel' written of in the scriptures, it refers to the Ten Northern Tribes of Israel (now referred to as the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel). But when you see the 'House of Judah' spoken of, it refers to the Southern Kingdom consisting of peoples of the Tribes of Judah and Benjamin. Originally, when the Houses were still joined together, there were twelve Tribes. These Twelve Tribes became split into two Houses, one called the Northern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Samaria, and the other called the Southern Kingdom with it's Capitol at Jerusalem. To this very day they are split, with the Ten Northern tribes having lost all knowledge of their identity, as was prophesied of to happen in Scripture:Rom 11:2525 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in. (KJV) But what ever became of Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes of Israel)? After a three years siege and the final fall of Samaria with it's becoming of an Assyrian Province in 611 B.C. (722 B.C. by profane history), Israel ceased to be and dropped out of history. But Israel (the Ten Lost Tribes) were never lost to God, they migrated North over the Caucasus Mountains (where we get our word 'Caucasian' from) and settled Europe, eventually populating Scotland, Ireland, Britain, Iceland, and ultimately crossing westward over the seas and established the Americas. Yes we are the descendants of the lost Northern Ten Tribes of Israel. We are the chosen people of God. Look around the world, who is the last light of hope in the world? That does not mean that we are Jewish, for as you see by the division of the original 12 tribes descended from Jacob/Israel; Judah is only one of those twelve tribes, and Jews are only a small portion of them who mixed with the heathen both physically and religiously. As of Jan 2, 2000, there are only 13 million Jews on the planet (as per www.adherents.com), that is less than 1% of the total global population which is 6,099,686,302 (6 billion plus) as of 4:04 EDT Oct 1, 2000 per Popclock™. But in God's covenant with Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob He promised:Gen 13:1616 And I will make thy seed as the dust of the earth: so that if a man can number the dust of the earth, then shall thy seed also be numbered. (KJV)Gen 17:44 As for me, behold, my covenant is with thee, and thou shalt be a father of many nations. (KJV)Gen 28:1414 And thy seed shall be as the dust of the earth, and thou shalt spread abroad to the west, and to the east, and to the north, and to the south: and in thee and in thy seed shall all the families of the earth be blessed. (KJV)Gen 35:1111 And God said unto him, I am God Almighty: be fruitful and multiply; a nation and a company of nations shall be of thee, and kings shall come out of thy loins; (KJV)Gen 32:1212 And thou saidst, I will surely do thee good, and make thy seed as the sand of the sea, which cannot be numbered for multitude. (KJV) Rom 9:2727 Esaias also crieth concerning Israel, Though the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, a remnant shall be saved: (KJV)Well then, where are all these people now?!? Those that we now call 'Jews' today are only a portion of the true Tribe of Judah who have intermixed with their Babylonian captors, the heathen and profane descendants of Cain, the first murderer. In other words, all those of the tribe of Judah are not Jews, and none of the lost Ten Tribes are Jews. It is important to understand the differences so that you know who the Bible is speaking about in a particular verse. That is why in the New Testament, those who betrayed Christ and forced Pontius Pilot's hand into crucifying Jesus Christ were the High Jewish Priest Ca'-ia-phas and the Jewish Temple Hierarchy. They were corrupted both in morals and genealogy, and this explains why Jesus called them 'sons of Cain,' the son of the devil {Jn 8:44} whom was the first murderer in the Garden of Eden. Cain was not of the 12 tribes of Jacob (Israel and Judah combined), but his offspring, the Kenites, which means sons (offspring, no gender implied) of Cain, had intermixed with some of the true Tribe of Judah. These Kenites have mixed with all races and tribes of people on the earth. A Kenite is a descendant of Cain, the same Cain who was the first murderer in the Garden of Eden. Below is a definition from the Strong's Exhaustive Concordance:Kenite: Hebrew word #7017 Qeyniy (kay-nee'); or Qiyniy (1st Chron. 2:55) (kee-nee'); patronymic from Hebrew word #7014 (see below); a Kenite or member of the tribe of Kajin [Cain]:Cain: Hebrew word #7014 Qayin: As a proper noun, masculine: Cain = "possession"; the oldest son of Adam and Eve and the first murderer, having murdered his brother Abel.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------"...and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name..." {Isa 62:2} The Old Testament Prophets told that God would change the name of His people. They would be named after Him. And by the name "Christians" they were named after God. Jesus, which in the Hebrew language is: Yehoshua, which means: Yehovah’s (God’s) Savior, Salvation of Yehovah (God). And with Christ, His followers are called Christ men, hence: Christians. So then, in the New Testament prophecies in the book of Revelation, Christians are Israel, God’s chosen, called by a new name (Isa 62:2 below), called by His name - Jesus Christ - Christ men - Christians.Isa 62:22 And the Gentiles shall see thy righteousness, and all kings thy glory: and thou shalt be called by a new name, which the mouth of the LORD shall name. (KJV)Isa 62:1212 And they shall call them, The holy people, The redeemed of the LORD: and thou shalt be called, Sought out, A city not forsaken. (KJV)Isa 65:1515 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord GOD shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name (KJV)Jer 33:1616 In those days shall Judah be saved, and Jerusalem shall dwell safely: and this is the name wherewith she shall be called, The LORD our righteousness. (KJV)Acts 11:2626 And when he had found him, he brought him unto Antioch. And it came to pass, that a whole year they assembled themselves with the church, and taught much people. And the disciples were called Christians first in Antioch. (KJV) This should clear up Revelation chapter seven where the 144,000 "sealed of Israel" are mentioned, they are Christians who, since the Assyrian captivity and deportations of 611 B.C. were stripped of their name Israel! As it is written, because of idolatry, God caused Israel to not know who they are, and the rest of the world is also ignorant as to who true Israel is todayeut 32:26 (God speaking)26 I said, I would scatter them [Israel] into corners [all corners of the world], I would make the remembrance of them to cease from among men (KJV) They (Israel) are mentioned in the New Testament though, for example, the book of James is written to them, written to us: "James, a servant of God and of the Lord Jesus Christ, to the twelve tribes which are scattered abroad, greeting." {James 1:1}. And again: "Peter, an apostle of Jesus Christ, to the strangers scattered throughout Pontus, Galatia, Cappadocia, Asia, and Bithynia, Elect according to the foreknowledge of God the Father, through sanctification of the Spirit, unto obedience and sprinkling of the blood of Jesus Christ: Grace unto you, and peace, be multiplied." {1 Pet 1:1-2}.http://www.biblestudysite.com/migrationmap.htm

 

[manichunter]

Ultimately, now they must no longer be of the natural seed of man, but born of the inconrruptible seed of the Spirit of God (1 Peter 1:23). The promise was eventually for the spiritual sons of Israel through the First Begotten, Jesus (Gal 4:4-7). Judah is a part of the Israel, as Jesus sits on the throne and rules on David's throne......... We can get confused and assigned the approval of God upon flesh...... God's approval is no longer upon any race of people as a nation. His marriage covenant is now with the individual, hence this why some branches get cut off and others get grafted on (Romans 11). Hence I agree that Israel is about to be made manifest, that Israel after the Spiritual Seed of the Promise not according to flesh. This consists of both former gentiles and natural Israel.

 

[Jackie D]

(Richard_oti;52490)
A simple follower of the Way, one of the Israel of YHVH.
Indeed be blessed