Who is the eleventh?

[theefaith]

Since Judas is dead!

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

who is the eleven or the eleventh apostle?

 

[Matthias]

Since Judas is dead!

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

who is the eleven or the eleventh apostle?

The eleven were the remaining apostles, including Peter. They all stood up. Peter spoke up.

 

[Taken]

Since Judas is dead!

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

who is the eleven or the eleventh apostle?

The List;
Acts 1:
[13] And when they were come in, they went up into an upper room, where abode both ..

Listed 2 through 12

You wonder about the 11th, which is revealed is Simon Zelotes.


2)Peter, and
3)James, and
4)John, and
5)Andrew,
6) Philip, and
7) Thomas,
8) Bartholomew, and
9) Matthew,
10) James the son of Alphaeus, and
11) Simon Zelotes, and
12) Judas the brother of James.

You over looked the FIRST ... the Promise of the Father.

Acts 1:
[4] And, being assembled together with them, commanded them that they should not depart from Jerusalem, but wait for the promise of the Father, which, saith he, ye have heard of me.

Acts 2
[3] And there appeared unto them cloven tongues like as of fire, and it sat upon each of them.

^ That is the First, followed by the eleven identified by name.

 

[Tommy Cool]

Matthias

 

[Matthias]

Matthias

Looking again at the timing, you’re right.

The eleven would have included Matthias, and Peter would have completed the restored group of twelve.

 

[Enoch111]

who is the eleven or the eleventh apostle?

You mean "Who is the 12th?" You might want to correct your title. And the 12th is obviously the apostle Paul.

 

[theefaith]

The eleven were the remaining apostles, including Peter. They all stood up. Peter spoke up.

fuzzy math Peter plus eleven equals twelve!

Acts 1:26 Mathias is the successor of Judas!

 

[Matthias]

fuzzy math Peter plus eleven equals twelve!

Acts 1:26 Mathias is the successor of Judas!

See post #4 and post #5.

 

[theefaith]

You mean "Who is the 12th?" You might want to correct your title. And the 12th is obviously the apostle Paul.

paul was not even called until acts 9 this was acts 2

peter and the eleven!

acts 1:26 Mathias is the successor of Judas!

 

[theefaith]

That proves the ancient catholic doctrine of “apostolic succession”!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[theefaith]

You mean the heretical Protestant fundamentalists were WRONG????? You bet your life!!!!

 

[Tommy Cool]

You mean "Who is the 12th?" You might want to correct your title. And the 12th is obviously the apostle Paul.

Paul was an apostle to the Gentiles (Rom 11:13) An apostle being: One that goes out into the world – teaches God’s word, casts out devil spirits, raises the dead, establishes churches…. brings new light to a dark nation.

But Matthias was the 12th apostle …the criteria being → Act 1:20-22

Act 1:25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place.

Act 1:26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles

 

[Enoch111]

But Matthias was the 12th apostle …the criteria being → Act 1:20-22

The only problem is that Matthias was not chosen by God but by the apostles. On the other hand Paul was specifically chosen by God and Christ. Therefore Matthias is never heard from in the rest of the NT, whereas Paul wrote over half the New Testament, and established numerous churches.

 

[Tommy Cool]

The only problem is that Matthias was not chosen by God but by the apostles. On the other hand Paul was specifically chosen by God and Christ. Therefore Matthias is never heard from in the rest of the NT, whereas Paul wrote over half the New Testament, and established numerous churches.

I agree…. from our vantage point... Paul would be the likely candidate …then again, we are not God.

Matthias most likely was sent out with the 70, since he was a disciple…and he tagged along with Jesus from the beginning….I don’t think we can throw his bishoprick out because of the timing of his apostleship and just because nothing is mentioned of him …There were others of whom nothing is recorded like Thomas, Simon Zelotes, Bartholomew (Nathanael), Andrew, and Philip the apostle, (not Philip one of the 7)….We just don’t know what any of those mentioned accomplished.

As far as being selected by God I don't know what more could be expected than what they did..... Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,


Here is some food for thought….

If Judas hung himself as per Mat 27:5…Wouldn’t Jesus be the likely person to select a replacement for Judas in the 40 days he was around…. And if He (Jesus) did not find it necessary to replace Judas ....why would the Apostles deem it necessary?

Actually, the Word declares that Judas was around until the ascension …I just thought I would throw that out there.

 

[theefaith]

I agree…. from our vantage point... Paul would be the likely candidate …then again, we are not God.

Matthias most likely was sent out with the 70, since he was a disciple…and he tagged along with Jesus from the beginning….I don’t think we can throw his bishoprick out because of the timing of his apostleship and just because nothing is mentioned of him …There were others of whom nothing is recorded like Thomas, Simon Zelotes, Bartholomew (Nathanael), Andrew, and Philip the apostle, (not Philip one of the 7)….We just don’t know what any of those mentioned accomplished.

As far as being selected by God I don't know what more could be expected than what they did..... Act 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen,


Here is some food for thought….

If Judas hung himself as per Mat 27:5…Wouldn’t Jesus be the likely person to select a replacement for Judas in the 40 days he was around…. And if He (Jesus) did not find it necessary to replace Judas ....why would the Apostles deem it necessary?

Actually, the Word declares that Judas was around until the ascension …I just thought I would throw that out there.

the apostles have the same power, mission, ministry, and authority as Christ!

Jn 20:21-23

if Christ has authority to appoint apostles then the apostles have the same authority!

 

[theefaith]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Jesus Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6 so the church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15

Christ is the light of the world!
Jn 8:12
so are the apostles! Matt 5:14

the new covenant church is the holy city!


Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

 

[Tommy Cool]

Jesus Christ extends his mission, power, and authority to His church of His apostles!

Jesus Christ is the truth! Jn 14:6 so the church is the pillar of truth! 1 Tim 3:15

Christ is the light of the world!
Jn 8:12
so are the apostles! Matt 5:14

the new covenant church is the holy city!


Even His judging!
Matt 19:28 and 1 cor 6:2
His teaching authority!
Matt 28:19 and Jn 20:21
His power to forgive sins!
Jn 20:23
His being the light of the world!
Matt 5:14
His ministry of reconciliation!
2 cor 5:18
His authority in governing the church and administering the kingdom!
Matt 16:18-19 & 18:18 Jn 21:17
Lk 22:29
Apart from me you can do nothing. Jn 15:5
So the church is subject to Christ!
Eph 5:24
Christ shares His glory! 2 thes 1:10 rev 12:1

Jesus Christ founded the new covenant church for the salvation of all men! (Jn 1:16-17) Christ is the truth! (Jn 14:6) Christ and his church are one!
(Acts 9;4 eph 5:32)
The church is the pillar of truth
(1 Tim 3:15) that must teach all men (Matt 28:19) without error guided by the Holy Spirit
(Jn 16:13) Thru the grace of God in the sanctification of souls applied in the seven sacraments!

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Matt 18:17 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 acts 9:4 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20 acts 2:42
1 Tim 3:15

Fundamentalism drives a wedge between Christ and his church, separates Christ from His kingdom, and the authority of Christ from the new covenant!

1 Corinthians 16:22
If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema

Extends to the truth and the church

Cos Christ is the truth and His church teaches the truth without error! Jn 14:6 matt 28:19 matt 18:17 1 Tim 3:15 Jn 29:21-23 Jn 16:13

Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4 eph 5:32

Authority of the Apostles!

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

John 17:18
As thou hast sent me into the world, even so have I also sent them into the world.

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments

The apostles teaching is Christ’s teaching, Christ and His church are one! Acts 9:4

Christian rule of faith is not the Bible alone! But the doctrine of the apostles! Acts 2:42

You jump around here like a cat on a hot tin roof… …Your first post was decent …this post is a hodge-podge of confusion….

 

[Robert Gwin]

Since Judas is dead!

Acts 2:14 But Peter, standing up with the eleven, lifted up his voice, and said unto them, Ye men of Judaea, and all ye that dwell at Jerusalem, be this known unto you, and hearken to my words:

who is the eleven or the eleventh apostle?

You mean the 12th Faith? Matthias replaced Judas sir.

 

[theefaith]

You mean the 12th Faith? Matthias replaced Judas sir.

peter plus eleven or 12th either way

 

[Robert Gwin]

peter plus eleven or 12th either way

You want all their names?:
(Matthew 10:2-4) . . .The names of the 12 apostles are these: First, Simon, the one called Peter, and Andrew his brother; James the son of Zebʹe·dee and John his brother; 3 Philip and Bar·tholʹo·mew; Thomas and Matthew the tax collector; James the son of Al·phaeʹus; and Thad·daeʹus; 4 Simon the Ca·na·naeʹan; and Judas Is·carʹi·ot, who later betrayed him.

Matthias replaced Judas after he betrayed Jesus.