Who really created the Son of God?
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YOU understand everything.
Don't you Hidden?
It's us po' Christians that are following the Christian faith that just are not capable
of understanding.
Here's the gospel:
The gospel is the good news that God has sent His Son to offer Himself (God) as a sacrifice for the forgiveness of sins
and to restore the rapport between God and man as existed before the fall. The resurrection assures us of eternal life.
See. No exhortation.
THAT is the good news.
Hiddenthings
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Hiddenthings
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The true creator....
John 1:1-3 – The man Yeshua is not mentioned, deduced from, implied in, or even inferred as the logos of God in these three verses. Although, the logos of God, the Father of Yeshua would eventually share his word in full by the time his son became his Messiah. John 1:1-3 speaks only to the Father and his own intrinsic logos intertwined within his own spirit. He is the real creator of all and his Son.
John 1:14 – Yeshua is not said to be the word or the logos as that would be implausible. He is said to have been embedded with the word of wisdom and knowledge at a point in time on the earth, by strong implication, to be the on-going recipient of the word of God, as he grew. As the word of God thus equally became embedded into Yeshua over time. The word of God was being embedded into Yeshua, not that Yeshua was ever or always the expression and the mind of his Father. Yeshua became the Father’s logos, his divine expression, the executioner of the gospel, the glorious message and ultimate word of God for our salvation through his Father’s spirit. He became the truth and the grace of his Father for us.
John 1:18 – Yeshua is ‘the only begotten Son,’ not ‘the only begotten (G)god’ as the translation of about 10 percent of all modern translations. And then being the only begotten God could never reveal his own God. That would make nonsense, unless the only begotten god, that can also be applied to any chosen man is, and must be subordinate to his God.
John 1:1-3 – The man Yeshua is not mentioned, deduced from, implied in, or even inferred as the logos of God in these three verses. Although, the logos of God, the Father of Yeshua would eventually share his word in full by the time his son became his Messiah. John 1:1-3 speaks only to the Father and his own intrinsic logos intertwined within his own spirit. He is the real creator of all and his Son.
John 1:14 – Yeshua is not said to be the word or the logos as that would be implausible. He is said to have been embedded with the word of wisdom and knowledge at a point in time on the earth, by strong implication, to be the on-going recipient of the word of God, as he grew. As the word of God thus equally became embedded into Yeshua over time. The word of God was being embedded into Yeshua, not that Yeshua was ever or always the expression and the mind of his Father. Yeshua became the Father’s logos, his divine expression, the executioner of the gospel, the glorious message and ultimate word of God for our salvation through his Father’s spirit. He became the truth and the grace of his Father for us.
John 1:18 – Yeshua is ‘the only begotten Son,’ not ‘the only begotten (G)god’ as the translation of about 10 percent of all modern translations. And then being the only begotten God could never reveal his own God. That would make nonsense, unless the only begotten god, that can also be applied to any chosen man is, and must be subordinate to his God.
Let's look: What IS the logos?
John 1:1-3
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 He was in the beginning with God.
3 All things came into being through Him, and apart from Him nothing * came into being that has come into being.
Is a rose still a rose even though you might call it by another name?
Yes. It is.
Do you accept that Jesus is the Word of God?
Maybe not.
The WORD was with God "in the beginning" IOW forever since God has no beginning.
The Son was not created.
He always existed...just as John states in the very verses you used.
IOW,,,WHO is the HE that existed in the beginning with God? Verse 2
2 He was in the beginning with God.
You claim this verse is speaking about the Father.
Is it necessary to explain that the Father existed with Himself?
No.
Because verse 2 is speaking about the WORD OF GOD.
The word of God IS JESUS.
Revelation 19:13
13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
Who do YOU think Revelation 19:13 is speaking of?
Was Father's robe dipped in blood?
Revelation 19:6
6“Hallelujah! For the Lord our God, the Almighty, reigns.
The Lord
is our God.
Revelation 19 is speaking about Jesus, our Lord and God.
Revelation 19:13-16
13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.
14 And the armies which are in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, were following Him on white horses.
15 From His mouth comes a sharp sword, so that with it He may strike down the nations, and He will rule them with a rod of iron; and He treads the wine * press of the fierce wrath of God, the Almighty.
16 And on His robe and on His thigh He has a name written, "KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS."
Please post scripture stating the above since it is NOT in the verse you posted...
John 1:14
You are adding to scripture -
we are warned not to do this in John's last letter:
Revelation 22:18
18 I testify to everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues that are written in this book;
You're going to have to post scripture to support this most UNCHRISTIAN teaching you are presenting.
Stop using the word BEGOTTEN since you do not understand it.
Jesus is not a created being.
He is God.
Here we go:
Ronald David Bruno
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That's not the gospel! That's a general truth with no specifics. "Things concerning the kingdom ... the name of Jesus ..."?
I figured you couldn't deliver ... wow!
This speaks volumes, you pontificate about the nature of God as if you know and you fail at answering a simple question regarding salvation, what Christians believe, why they are saved.
Believe what exactly? You would need this basic understanding just to teach children's church.
Let me help you and from now on you'll know. Believe this:
"Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures;
And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures:" 1 Cor. 15:4-5
That is the good news, that He saved us from death by His sacrifice and resurrection and gives us eternal life when we put our faith in HIM.
Certainly there is much more to the story, but the bold words are THE GOSPEL.
God guides us to this revelation and repentence in godly sorrow. Our eyes are opened and we begin to see spiritually after His elaborate, orchestrated plan from the beginning of our lives g arguably debelops. It's different for everyone; it involves events and people who are put in our path, invitations to church, reading and hearing the Word, etc. Or it could be that you were fortunate enough to have been born into a loving Christian home. Everyone has a unique testimony, their own story of how they became a Christian, a series of events that led to that divine appojntment when the seed is planted in fertile soil and we begin our journey, see the truth and our faith begins to blossom.
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You people are just insulting each other, No edifying conversation going on....................
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