OT Grammarian proof of Trinity

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Do you want a definition of the Trinity?
Yes, I do.

When was the term Trinity defined as 3 persons in one person?

All though the term Trinity appeared early in Christrian history, the idea of the Trinity as a single God in three co‑equal, co‑eternal persons (Father, Son, and Holy Spirit) was not a single, unified doctrine until the late fourth century, and it was not yet fully articulated in the early centuries of Christianity Patheos.

Early roots and development

The New Testament and early Christian writings show a triadic understanding of God, with Jesus and the Holy Spirit recognized as divine, but without a formal doctrine of three distinct persons sharing one essence Bible Hub.

By the late second century, theologians like Tertullian (c. 160–225 CE) used the Latin term Trinitas to describe the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit as distinct yet sharing one divine substance theologicalthreads.blogspot.com.

The Arian controversy (early fourth century) challenged the full divinity of Jesus, leading to the First Council of Nicaea in 325 CE, which produced the Nicene Creed affirming that Jesus is homoousios (of the same essence) as the Father.

The Cappadocian Fathers (Basil, Gregory of Nyssa, Gregory Nazianzus) in the mid‑fourth century refined the doctrine, emphasizing that the three persons are distinct yet of one essence, co‑equal, and co‑eternal theologicalthreads.blogspot.com.

When it became “3 in 1”

The formal, ecumenical definition of the Trinity as one God in three persons was codified in the late fourth century through the Nicene Creed and the writings of the Cappadocian Fathers. This was the point when the doctrine became a settled, unified Christian teaching rather than a developing theological concept Patheos.

The McKenzie Bible Dictionary explains it this way.... “The Trinity of God is defined by the Church as the belief that in God there are three persons who subsist in one nature. The belief as so defined was reached only in the 4th and 5th centuries AD and hence is not explicitly or formally a biblical belief.” Which hold true to the fact that the word Trinity does not occur in the Holy Bible.

In summary:

1st–3rd centuries: Early Christian belief in one God with Jesus and the Holy Spirit as divine, but no unified “3 in 1” doctrine.

Late 4th century (325–381 CE): The Trinity as one God in three co‑equal, co‑eternal persons was formally defined at Nicaea and further clarified by the Cappadocian Fathers.

From then on: The “3 in 1” formulation became the orthodox Christian doctrine.

How Many Definitions of the Trinity?

There is no single fixed number of “definitions” of the Trinity in Christian theology — the doctrine has been expressed in many different ways over centuries, shaped by Scripture, early Church teaching, and theological reflection. The number of distinct formulations depends on how you count them: by historical period, by theological emphasis, or by the depth of explanation.

Why There Are Many Definitions

The Trinity is the belief that one God exists in three co‑eternal, co‑equal, and co‑subsistent Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit Wikipedia+1. While the core idea is consistent, theologians have developed numerous definitions to clarify:

The unity of God (monotheism)
The distinction of the Persons
The relationship between them
Their roles in creation, redemption, and sanctification

Examples of Different Definitions

Essentialist Definition – One God in three Persons sharing the same divine essence (homoousion), as affirmed in the Nicene Creed Wikipedia.

Relational Definition – The Father begets the Son, the Son is begotten, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both (as in the Athanasian Creed) Wikipedia.

Functional Definition – Each Person acts in distinct ways (Father in creation, Son in redemption, Holy Spirit in sanctification) but all share the same divine nature Bible Hub.

Scriptural Definition – Based on passages like Matthew 28:19 (“in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”) and John 14:16–17 Bible Hub.

Symbolic/Artistic Definitions – Iconographic representations (e.g., Father as hand, Son as ichthys, Holy Spirit as dove) that convey the Persons without formal theology Wikipedia.

Historical Definitions – From early Church Fathers (Tertullian, Origen, Athanasius) to later councils (Nicaea, Constantinople, Chalcedon), each refining the understanding Christianity+1.

How to Count Them

If you list all historical formulations from the 2nd century onward, you could find dozens — from brief creeds to elaborate theological treatises. If you count distinct conceptual approaches (essentialist, relational, functional, scriptural, symbolic), you get a smaller but still significant number.

In short: There is no set “number” of Trinity definitions — the doctrine has been articulated in many ways over time, each adding nuance to the understanding of one God in three Persons
 

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Except that every argument you make against it is a straw man.

Straw man.....????

A straw man argument is a rhetorical tactic that misrepresents an opponent's position to make it easier to attack, often leading to misleading conclusions in debates.


I do not misrepresent your beliefs.....I say they are false.
 

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@Justified
The site is messing up again so have to do it manually....
You said---->It can only mean that the Son of God has always existed, even though there is only one God. There is no other option.

It can only mean that Yahweh has always existed and then He impregnated a woman and had a Son that was also a God.....How any times did Yahweh say that He was the only God and there was no one like Him.....and you ignore that.

The New Testament indicates that Yeshua existed in the Old Testament, yet no meanion of Him in the Old Testament....and what would He be called?????----The Pre-Son of God?
 

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Mock at your own peril and believe polytheism at your own peril.

It is one of the reasons that the Gentiles were attracted to Christianity.
And which one do you not worship?
I do not know about you but I worship Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit.
 

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What laabels?! You typed them....tritheism. Monotheism
And, yet, they're taught in the Bible, right? It seems that this is your way of avoiding addressing these ideas. Monotheism is biblical and a foundation of Judaism and Christianity. Tritheism is a subset of polytheism, which is clearly condemned in the Bible.

You want to believe that but, the storyline tells of Yahweh giving up His only begotten Son to save humanity. The storyline tells of one God in Heaven and one God on Earth working together, referring to each other, talking and praying. Then they throw another God in the mix, the Holy Spirit. A God that Yeshua said He would send.
And, yet, once again, you fail to address the verses I have posted. You ignore what God himself plainly states, "Before me no god was formed, nor shall there be any after me" (Isa. 34:10). Was Yahweh ignorant of the existence of other gods, or did he lie? There aren't many options here.

The storyline, as I have pointed out and proved with scripture, is that there always has been only one true God, from start to finish.

Not only the words but the storyline does not support the 3 in 1 God formula.
The doctrine of the Trinity best explains all that God reveals of himself in the Bible.

How Many Definitions of the Trinity?

There is no single fixed number of “definitions” of the Trinity in Christian theology — the doctrine has been expressed in many different ways over centuries, shaped by Scripture, early Church teaching, and theological reflection. The number of distinct formulations depends on how you count them: by historical period, by theological emphasis, or by the depth of explanation.

Why There Are Many Definitions

The Trinity is the belief that one God exists in three co‑eternal, co‑equal, and co‑subsistent Persons: the Father, the Son (Jesus Christ), and the Holy Spirit Wikipedia+1. While the core idea is consistent, theologians have developed numerous definitions to clarify:

The unity of God (monotheism)
The distinction of the Persons
The relationship between them
Their roles in creation, redemption, and sanctification

Examples of Different Definitions

Essentialist Definition – One God in three Persons sharing the same divine essence (homoousion), as affirmed in the Nicene Creed Wikipedia.

Relational Definition – The Father begets the Son, the Son is begotten, and the Holy Spirit proceeds from both (as in the Athanasian Creed) Wikipedia.

Functional Definition – Each Person acts in distinct ways (Father in creation, Son in redemption, Holy Spirit in sanctification) but all share the same divine nature Bible Hub.

Scriptural Definition – Based on passages like Matthew 28:19 (“in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit”) and John 14:16–17 Bible Hub.

Symbolic/Artistic Definitions – Iconographic representations (e.g., Father as hand, Son as ichthys, Holy Spirit as dove) that convey the Persons without formal theology Wikipedia.

Historical Definitions – From early Church Fathers (Tertullian, Origen, Athanasius) to later councils (Nicaea, Constantinople, Chalcedon), each refining the understanding Christianity+1.

How to Count Them

If you list all historical formulations from the 2nd century onward, you could find dozens — from brief creeds to elaborate theological treatises. If you count distinct conceptual approaches (essentialist, relational, functional, scriptural, symbolic), you get a smaller but still significant number.

In short: There is no set “number” of Trinity definitions — the doctrine has been articulated in many ways over time, each adding nuance to the understanding of one God in three Persons
I knew I would get such a response. It shows that you can't define it yourself, which is why you keep on arguing against straw men.

LOL I do not perpetuate false beliefs.....
You absolutely do, namely, polytheism. That is as false as it gets. That's heresy, and I do not use that term lightly.

Straw man.....????

A straw man argument is a rhetorical tactic that misrepresents an opponent's position to make it easier to attack, often leading to misleading conclusions in debates.


I do not misrepresent your beliefs.....I say they are false.
You have continually misrepresented the Trinity, continually.

It can only mean that Yahweh has always existed and then He impregnated a woman and had a Son that was also a God.....
No, it absolutely cannot mean the Son "was also a God." It can, however, mean that the Son was also truly God. And that is the best explanation.

How any times did Yahweh say that He was the only God and there was no one like Him.....and you ignore that.
I know that God repeatedly stated it. It is you who has continually ignored God's own claim that there is no other and will be no other. You just shot down your own position.

The New Testament indicates that Yeshua existed in the Old Testament, yet no meanion of Him in the Old Testament....and what would He be called?????----The Pre-Son of God?
He was called Yahweh, along with the Father and the Holy Spirit. Again, the Bible uses progressive revelation, for obvious reasons. The writers of the NT clearly believed that the Son pre-existed before all creation and they did so because Jesus made the claim several times himself.

It is one of the reasons that the Gentiles were attracted to Christianity.
Is it? Why were some Gentiles attracted to Judaism?

And which one do you not worship?
I do not know about you but I worship Yahweh, Yeshua, and the Holy Spirit.
I worship them all, because they are all truly God. What they are not are three separate Gods.
 
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