Why are the 7 Churches in Revelation each greeted differently...

[Giuliano]

Thank you for all you shared here. It is beautiful and I Agree. Although I am probably not the best to respond concerning Mary. From a young girl up I was not taught to value women very much, so I had never considered Mary before and maybe even downplayed her significance. Until recently, when that view changed. There is Hope that others who speak ignorantly as I have in the past, can change their mind.

We have all had wrong views, haven't we? One value of life is that we are given the opportunity to improve. God does not need to judge us for errors that can be corrected. Being wrong yesterday doesn't matter much if we can spot it and become right. I have to laugh at some of the things I used to believe and do.

 

[Giuliano]

The dresser puts them in his wine press.

It is interesting that the wheat gets harvested too in Revelation. The wheat gets separated and the chaff thrown away. Grapes and wheat, Wine and Bread.

 

[Waiting on him]

It is interesting that the wheat gets harvested too in Revelation. The wheat gets separated and the chaff thrown away. Grapes and wheat, Wine and Bread.

Will have to take a closer look
Thanks

 

[Waiting on him]

Will have to take a closer look
Thanks

Wow this is the revelation of what he’s done as a whole

 

[Waiting on him]

And on an individual scale

 

[Heart2Soul]

Consider Revelation 1:1-2 The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John: [2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.

The blessing being in Galatians 1:10-13
[10] For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ. [11] But I certify you, brethren, that the gospel which was preached of me is not after man. [12] For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ. [13] For ye have heard of my conversation in time past in the Jews' religion, how that beyond measure I persecuted the church of God, and wasted it:

“The gospel which was preached of me” ...neither received it of man...was not taught it...but BY the Revelation of Jesus Christ.


1 Peter 1:12-13 Unto whom (the prophets of old)it was revealed, that not unto themselves, but unto us they did minister the things, which are now reported unto you by them that have preached the gospel unto you with the Holy Spirit sent down from heaven; which things the angels desire to look into. [13] Wherefore gird up the loins of your mind, be sober, and hope to the end for the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;

What?? Grace brought unto you at the Revelation of Jesus Christ?? Then why does man turn it into such a dark book that should be avoided??

Revelation 1:3 Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.

“For I neither received it of man, neither was I taught it, but by the revelation of Jesus Christ.” ...which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants.

Thanks for your input . I agree. As I stated in my OP the Holy Spirit instructed me to study Revelation. So I see something new right off the bat and considered its purpose for seeing it now as compared to past studies of it. I have already gained a treasure of knowledge through others here aa well as the Holy Spirit revealing things.

 

[Waiting on him]

What an intimate letter. (A blessing)

 

[Giuliano]

Will have to take a closer look
Thanks

Note too that the wheat is harvested before the grapes -- like the Bread is given first followed by the Wine of Communion.

 

[Heart2Soul]

It is interesting that the wheat gets harvested too in Revelation. The wheat gets separated and the chaff thrown away. Grapes and wheat, Wine and Bread.

This is what I stated earlier...after His judgment on the church what's left? Harvest time. So I find in ch 14 the sickle being thrust and the harvest of grapes....what's the difference? And on top of that it seems to be out of order. Like this should follow the judgment of the churches...Still searching.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Note too that the wheat is harvested before the grapes -- like the Bread is given first followed by the Wine of Communion.

Wow, awesome insight.

 

[Giuliano]

This is what I stated earlier...after His judgment on the church what's left? Harvest time. So I find in ch 14 the sickle being thrust and the harvest of grapes....what's the difference? And on top of that it seems to be out of order. Like this should follow the judgment of the churches...Still searching.

If I understand you right, my answer would be the churches get a warning -- and those who read and understand are given time to repent.

 

[Heart2Soul]

If I understand you right, my answer would be the churches get a warning -- and those who read and understand are given time to repent.

Yes...aren't we to judge ourselves first so that we might repent...same as the church...a self examination so to speak...and given the opportunity to repent. Basically what I am referring to.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

God to bridle his tongue by regretting his words and asking God for help. It led to murder. God can tame our tongues .

The wine ...Blood to the horses bridle. Why up to the bridle? James 3:1-3
My brethren, be not many masters, knowing that we shall receive the greater condemnation. [2] For in many things we offend all. If any man offend not in word, the same is a perfect man, and able also to bridle the whole body. [3] Behold, we put bits in the horses' mouths, that they may obey us; and we turn about their whole body.

James 1:26
[26] If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Almost, but . . . she tried to kill them all and Elijah thought she had, but he found out later he was mistaken.
I have a question about Elijah and Jezebel. He could call down fire from heaven and have the prophets of Baal killed, but he fled from Jezebel.

1 Kings 19:1 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.
2 Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by to morrow about this time.
3 And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba, which belongeth to Judah, and left his servant there.

Why did he flee like that?

He still had human weakness to fear.

 

[brakelite]

Almost, but . . . she tried to kill them all and Elijah thought she had, but he found out later he was mistaken.
I have a question about Elijah and Jezebel. He could call down fire from heaven and have the prophets of Baal killed, but he fled from Jezebel.

1 Kings 19:1 And Ahab told Jezebel all that Elijah had done, and withal how he had slain all the prophets with the sword.
2 Then Jezebel sent a messenger unto Elijah, saying, So let the gods do to me, and more also, if I make not thy life as the life of one of them by to morrow about this time.
3 And when he saw that, he arose, and went for his life, and came to Beersheba, which belongeth to Judah, and left his servant there.

Why did he flee like that?

Thyatira, if we are viewing the churches as being representative of church ages in Christian history, is a type of the Catholic church of the dark ages...a mixture of state (Ahab) and am apostate church... Jezebel. With immense courage Elijah was willing to face up to the state, just as John the Baptist did to Herod, but the danger, the real danger, came from the religious component in the union, Jezebel. As John the Baptist found out, and as we will soon face in the form of a future church state union which will legislature religious traditions that overrule the commandments of God. So let's not be too hard on Elijah, perhaps that is why people are called out if Babylon and flee to another... It is far safer.

 

[Heart2Soul]

Something else comes to mind about the 7 churches...when will the time of refreshing, restoration occur. Possibly after judgment and repentance...

 

[Waiting on him]

Something else comes to mind about the 7 churches...when will the time of refreshing, restoration occur. Possibly after judgment and repentance...

2 Corinthians 5:17 KJV
[17] Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.


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Revelation 21:5 KJV
[5] And he that sat upon the throne said, Behold, I make all things new. And he said unto me, Write: for these words are true and faithful.


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This is refreshing

 

[brakelite]

As for Mary, I agree that we don't give her enough credit. When Jesus was born He was born as a human. A man. A baby. He left behind all His divine attributes... Omniscience... Omnipresence... Omnipotence. So He had no memory.... No recollection of who He was... Is. How did He learn of His ministry and callling of He took no part in the rabbinical schools? He leaned at the feet of His mother. Despite her doubts and lack of full understanding, she did what was right... She taught Him all she knew and He did the rest through His own learned relationship, faith, and trust in His Father and His own recognition of His own destiny through His reading and study of scripture. Tough life when you know how and why you will die, and when. But I think Mary was ready by the time Calvary came along. Not perhaps with Jesus' brothers however.

 

[Waiting on him]

Johns letter to Mary has very interesting scripture.

 

[Giuliano]

He still had human weakness to fear.

He did not take on more than he could deal with, and God didn't ask him to. From that, I conclude not everyone is asked to deal with Jezebel. There is a church however that should.

 

[Heart2Soul]

He did not take on more than he could deal with, and God didn't ask him to. From that, I conclude not everyone is asked to deal with Jezebel. There is a church however that should.

Jezebel had already ordered all prophets to be killed.