Why Christians Die
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Ever notice those quoting Heb 9:27 NEVER read the next verse?
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
I noticed also you ignored Romans 8:13.
Typical of those in the death-cults of christianity.
Romans 5:12-21
[12]Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
[13](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[14]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
[15]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
[16]And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
[17]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[18]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[19]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[20]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[21]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
[12]Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
[13](For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.
[14]Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.
[15]But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.
[16]And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.
[17]For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)
[18]Therefore as by the offence of one judgment came upon all men to condemnation; even so by the righteousness of one the free gift came upon all men unto justification of life.
[19]For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.
[20]Moreover the law entered, that the offence might abound. But where sin abounded, grace did much more abound:
[21]That as sin hath reigned unto death, even so might grace reign through righteousness unto eternal life by Jesus Christ our Lord.
John 11:25-26
[25]Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
[26]And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
[25]Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
[26]And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?
GEN2REV
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Hebrews 11:1-40
[1]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[2]For by it the elders obtained a good report.
[3]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
[4]By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
[5]By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
[6]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[7]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
[8]By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11]Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12]Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14]For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15]And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16]But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
[17]By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
[18]Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
[19]Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
[20]By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[21]By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
[22]By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
[23]By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
[24]By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
[25]Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
[26]Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
[27]By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
[28]Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
[29]By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
[30]By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
[31]By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
[32]And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
[33]Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
[34]Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
[35]Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
[36]And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
[37]They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
[38](Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
[39]And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
[40]God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
[1]Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen.
[2]For by it the elders obtained a good report.
[3]Through faith we understand that the worlds were framed by the word of God, so that things which are seen were not made of things which do appear.
[4]By faith Abel offered unto God a more excellent sacrifice than Cain, by which he obtained witness that he was righteous, God testifying of his gifts: and by it he being dead yet speaketh.
[5]By faith Enoch was translated that he should not see death; and was not found, because God had translated him: for before his translation he had this testimony, that he pleased God.
[6]But without faith it is impossible to please him: for he that cometh to God must believe that he is, and that he is a rewarder of them that diligently seek him.
[7]By faith Noah, being warned of God of things not seen as yet, moved with fear, prepared an ark to the saving of his house; by the which he condemned the world, and became heir of the righteousness which is by faith.
[8]By faith Abraham, when he was called to go out into a place which he should after receive for an inheritance, obeyed; and he went out, not knowing whither he went.
[9]By faith he sojourned in the land of promise, as in a strange country, dwelling in tabernacles with Isaac and Jacob, the heirs with him of the same promise:
[10]For he looked for a city which hath foundations, whose builder and maker is God.
[11]Through faith also Sara herself received strength to conceive seed, and was delivered of a child when she was past age, because she judged him faithful who had promised.
[12]Therefore sprang there even of one, and him as good as dead, so many as the stars of the sky in multitude, and as the sand which is by the sea shore innumerable.
[13]These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth.
[14]For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country.
[15]And truly, if they had been mindful of that country from whence they came out, they might have had opportunity to have returned.
[16]But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.
[17]By faith Abraham, when he was tried, offered up Isaac: and he that had received the promises offered up his only begotten son,
[18]Of whom it was said, That in Isaac shall thy seed be called:
[19]Accounting that God was able to raise him up, even from the dead; from whence also he received him in a figure.
[20]By faith Isaac blessed Jacob and Esau concerning things to come.
[21]By faith Jacob, when he was a dying, blessed both the sons of Joseph; and worshipped, leaning upon the top of his staff.
[22]By faith Joseph, when he died, made mention of the departing of the children of Israel; and gave commandment concerning his bones.
[23]By faith Moses, when he was born, was hid three months of his parents, because they saw he was a proper child; and they were not afraid of the king's commandment.
[24]By faith Moses, when he was come to years, refused to be called the son of Pharaoh's daughter;
[25]Choosing rather to suffer affliction with the people of God, than to enjoy the pleasures of sin for a season;
[26]Esteeming the reproach of Christ greater riches than the treasures in Egypt: for he had respect unto the recompence of the reward.
[27]By faith he forsook Egypt, not fearing the wrath of the king: for he endured, as seeing him who is invisible.
[28]Through faith he kept the passover, and the sprinkling of blood, lest he that destroyed the firstborn should touch them.
[29]By faith they passed through the Red sea as by dry land: which the Egyptians assaying to do were drowned.
[30]By faith the walls of Jericho fell down, after they were compassed about seven days.
[31]By faith the harlot Rahab perished not with them that believed not, when she had received the spies with peace.
[32]And what shall I more say? for the time would fail me to tell of Gedeon, and of Barak, and of Samson, and of Jephthae; of David also, and Samuel, and of the prophets:
[33]Who through faith subdued kingdoms, wrought righteousness, obtained promises, stopped the mouths of lions,
[34]Quenched the violence of fire, escaped the edge of the sword, out of weakness were made strong, waxed valiant in fight, turned to flight the armies of the aliens.
[35]Women received their dead raised to life again: and others were tortured, not accepting deliverance; that they might obtain a better resurrection:
[36]And others had trial of cruel mockings and scourgings, yea, moreover of bonds and imprisonment:
[37]They were stoned, they were sawn asunder, were tempted, were slain with the sword: they wandered about in sheepskins and goatskins; being destitute, afflicted, tormented;
[38](Of whom the world was not worthy:) they wandered in deserts, and in mountains, and in dens and caves of the earth.
[39]And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise:
[40]God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.
GEN2REV
Well-Known Member
Wow, a christian who actually likes Romans 8:13, and does not look for other scriptures to ignore it.
were talking "thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven" -
you know, no more death.
where people actually live in the fullness of the glory of Jesus.
Here and now.
Imagine that.
GEN2REV
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What is the usual argument? That Christians don't die at all or .... what?
I don't even know what a death cult is. lol
This person is prideful and full of hatred and anger ..."she" didn't join the forum for any other reason but to accuse and condemn everyone on the forum. The truth is, Christians die for all sorts of reasons and that's why I'm posting scripture. If I quote scripture to explain why Christians die (and in fact, @Alley Oop will also die) ...all they will do is find more to argue about. I posted scripture that states that it is appointed unto man to die and then be judged. And everyone is in a body that is perishable. Some Christians die choosing rather to suffer persecution than to deny Christ. This person isn't wanting to discuss anything, but to accuse. I saw it from "her" first post. She has an agenda which is not from God. I will respond with scripture only. Let "her" (it??) argue with Scripture. I already put... it ....on ignore.
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they're looking for reasons to deny the Life of God Now -
Because "they've made a covenant with death and hell" - Isa 28:15
GEN2REV
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You speak of the remnant in other threads. What is this remnant you speak of?
Are you a Pre-Mil Propagandizer?
If so, you're not so different from the majority around these parts after all.
Taken
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Why Christians die
OP ^
Aside from the term Christian, All earthly men (Christian or not) Must Die, Because God Requires that.
Gen 5:9
That which is born of a natural, (earthly), seed, can not live forever, less it die and be born again, of a spiritual seed, that can not die.
God is preparing “freely willing” mankind to live with Him forever.
As well God is preparing “unwilling” mankind to not live forever, thus not be with Him forever.
Glory to God,
Taken
OP ^
Aside from the term Christian, All earthly men (Christian or not) Must Die, Because God Requires that.
Gen 5:9
That which is born of a natural, (earthly), seed, can not live forever, less it die and be born again, of a spiritual seed, that can not die.
God is preparing “freely willing” mankind to live with Him forever.
As well God is preparing “unwilling” mankind to not live forever, thus not be with Him forever.
Glory to God,
Taken
That would be a misapplication of Romans 8:13. So you should have quoted Romans 5:12: Wherefore, as by one man [Adam] sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:
The reason all men die is because Adam's disobedience resulted in making all humans mortal. But there is also "the Second Death" and that is the reason for the Gospel. However all those who have been saved by grace have also been promised "the resurrection of life". So death is only temporary.
In the verse you have quoted, living according to the "flesh" means maintaining a sinful lifestyle. If someone claims to be a Christian and lives like the devil, he or she is not really saved. Which means that they will face the Second Death" (eternal damnation in the Lake of Fire).
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