Zao is life
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Not even Satan believed what others here assert. If he had believed that, he would have considered tempting Jesus a waste of time.No we are not.
No you are not. You are reducing his struggles in the flesh to no struggle at all...its actually you who are removing his victory.
Do me a favor Brakelite
But I have a baptism to be baptized with; and how am I straitened till it be accomplished! Luke 12:50
Look up the word straitened and explain what is meant?
Then answer why the Lord would use this word in relation to his daily, hourly by the minute and second struggle?
What is the time duration of this struggle?
It's quite possible you are yet to meet the Lord - I can show him to you if you so desire?
synonym leaning, propensity, proclivity, penchant mean a strong instinct or liking for something. leaning suggests a liking or attraction not strong enough to be decisive or uncontrollable 〈a student with artistic leanings〉. propensity implies a deeply ingrained and usually irresistible inclination 〈a propensity to offer advice〉. proclivity suggests a strong natural proneness usually to something objectionable or evil 〈a proclivity for violence〉. penchant implies a strongly marked taste in the person or an irresistible attraction in the object 〈a penchant for taking risks〉 Inc Merriam-Webster, Websters Dictionary (Springfield, MA: Merriam-Webster, Inc., 2003).
If you believe Christ had our nature then you must also believe he felt the urges of his nature otherwise you must give Christ a hybrid nature and therefore he is nothing like those he came to save. Paul's teachings all would be in error on the true nature of Christ. Brakelite, I know you have had strong instinct, you have been attracted strongly to things in your life and we all have a natural proneness as Christ did however he "put to death" those feelings in himself. Keep in mind he had temptations you will never have! He had the Spirit without measure and imagine the temptations that caused in him?
Divine nature is promised to be received either at his coming or by resurrection of the dead.
No, only those who have divine nature cannot sin! James 1 is emphatic only human nature can act on its own lusts....divine nature is the nature of God Himself!
Yes, he is the Second Adam who the Father put to death along with all the propensities to sin.
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Here is where you go wrong Brakelite. In nature Adam, in Mind like His Father but still had the carnal mind - "not my will but thine"
Jesus himself acknowledges the putting to death of that mind in the garden.
If you don't believe Christ had an opposing mind to his Father then you have lost the Christ and deny what he was raised up to achieve.
If Christ had not gone to the Cross would this have been evil in the sight of God?
Why do you think he was sweating droplets of blood? Straightened? Agony? Over what?...you will arrive at the truth Brakelite!
Why would he ask his Father if there was another way? What way was his considering?
The victory over the flesh and the carnal mind happened in the Garden - he was crucified there and once he submitted to his Fathers Will he went to the cross willingly accepting what would come.
In the end you have nowhere to go Brakelite - “The carnal mind is enmity against God.” Romans 8:7 - Christ had this mind in him - he had thoughts which opposed his Fathers Will but each time (every time) he cast them down - put them to death.
For you to say he never had them makes a mockery of his life and sacrifice and reduces the Master to a mere puppet on strings.
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Christ had God's power and Spirit in Him. He also had Adam's nature, because He was also fully man. So He had to resist temptation the way we do, and He relied completely, 100% upon God His Father by faith in God.