Believing everything you hear / read is not wise. You can say that I'm the one being mean and attempt to turn it around how I'm not Christ like, point is, as believers we must examine scripture. We can't take everything we hear as fact.
Why do faith healers avoid hospitals & funeral homes?
- Thread starter LC627
- Start date
-
Welcome to Christian Forums, a Christian Forum that recognizes that all Christians are a work in progress.
You will need to register to be able to join in fellowship with Christians all over the world.
We hope to see you as a part of our community soon and God Bless!
Believing everything you hear / read is not wise. You can say that I'm the one being mean and attempt to turn it around how I'm not Christ like, point is, as believers we must examine scripture. We can't take everything we hear as fact.
Waiting on him
Well-Known Member
Why do faith healers avoid hospitals and funeral homes? Truth it’s unavoidable we’ll all find ourselves here eventually.
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
This thread reminds me of the most important neglected biblical text on Christian spirituality:
"But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out, not the [God-] talk of these arrogant people, but their [supernatural] power. For the kingdom of God depends not on [God-] talk but on power (1 Corinthians 4:19-20)."
What Paul means by kingdom "power" includes an evident "demonstration" of that power accompanying his preaching.
"My speech and my proclamation were not with plausible words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom but on the power of God (1 Corinthians 2:4-5)."
That "demonstration" includes miracles and establishes the doctrine that one's initial experience of the Spirit must be an experience of divine power and not just a belief based on a simple profession of faith:
"Are you so foolish? Having started with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? Did you experience so much for nothing?...Well then, does God supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the Law or by your believing what you heard (Galatians 3:3-5)?"
"But I will come to you soon, if the Lord wills, and I will find out, not the [God-] talk of these arrogant people, but their [supernatural] power. For the kingdom of God depends not on [God-] talk but on power (1 Corinthians 4:19-20)."
What Paul means by kingdom "power" includes an evident "demonstration" of that power accompanying his preaching.
"My speech and my proclamation were not with plausible words of wisdom, but with a demonstration of the Spirit and of power, so that your faith might not rest on human wisdom but on the power of God (1 Corinthians 2:4-5)."
That "demonstration" includes miracles and establishes the doctrine that one's initial experience of the Spirit must be an experience of divine power and not just a belief based on a simple profession of faith:
"Are you so foolish? Having started with the Spirit, are you now ending with the flesh? Did you experience so much for nothing?...Well then, does God supply you with the Spirit and work miracles among you by your doing the works of the Law or by your believing what you heard (Galatians 3:3-5)?"
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
Those are favorites of mine as well. But it seems like we never get around to them because most Cessationists are stuck in the basics of the conversation and never get past the first few verses.
God bless, Berzerk, and good to see you on the forum now and again. Hope you are well.
- H
Cessationists have an impoverished spirituality that is basically a head trip divorced from profound spiritual experience and therefore an anemic spirituality that is forced to unbiblically relegate apostolic experiences of power to the apostolic age--a covert way of denying the inspiration of Scripture and the principle that we serve a Lord who is the same "yesterday, today, and forever (Hebrews 13:8)." Skeptics understandably respond by concluding, "If your God can't do it now, why should I believe that He could do it back then?"
Hidden In Him
Well-Known Member
Yes. And a question I often ask them is how they think the harvest at the end of the age is somehow going to be accomplished without a return to demonstrations of supernatural power. Christianity worldwide is falling slowly into decline, and yet people in the future are somehow going to start believing by the millions out of nowhere.
And quite frankly, if we cannot answer the question that atheists ask, why on earth should they believe? If Jesus Christ, who manifested signs and wonders during New Testament times, was ever a real God, the fact that He can no longer do so today would strongly suggest He's apparently a dead god now.
Never said I did. I said I have witnessed several MIRACLES. Your unbelief keeps you from witnessing MIRACLES!
I believe we need to be clear on the definition of miracles. When I mention "faith healers" I'm referring to false teachers such as Benny Hinn so claim to be doing the work of God yet actually are not. There are many other Televangelist who are in the same circle as Benny. Does God heal today? Yes, I believe so but it is not working through the hands of self-proclaimed false apostles.
Miracles had a purpose in the NT to give credibility to the Gospel message being preached by the apostles. We no longer need the office of Apostle because we have the full revelation of God's Word.
Miracles had a purpose in the NT to give credibility to the Gospel message being preached by the apostles. We no longer need the office of Apostle because we have the full revelation of God's Word.
I stopped watching the TV preachers many years ago when I realized they were constantly begging for money.
Exactly. It's all about money and "buying the healing"....."send in your faith gift of $1000 and God will heal you!" Don't expect to see those TV preachers visiting any hospital because they're frauds.
@Waiting on him We need to be ready, right? and this also underlines the urgency of the Gospel and of Gospel efforts.
