Bob Estey
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Does "imputed righteousness" mean I can sin and say I didn't sin?
Why do so many stumble over imputed righteousness?
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Bob Estey
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And that is the only thing God is looking for -- focus on righteousness. The Bible says that Noah was a "preacher of righteousness" (2 Peter 2:5).
Bob Estey
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Michiah-Imla
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Where are all the sin-perfectionists?
Whenever I say anything about ceasing from sin people lose their minds!
@mailmandan accuses me of having a “terminal case of self-righteousness”. Is there a doctor in the house?!
Behold
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Salvation is God as Christ on the Cross reconciling you back to Himself.
How do you get that?
"Imputed Righteousness".
Result ? = Born again.
What is born again? Not your body and not your mind.
What is left? = Your Spirit.
When this has happened you have become a Spiritual and Literal = Son of God. "made righteous".
Water baptism does not cause this to happen.
Bob Estey
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It seems to me the Lord forgives us of our past sins, when we repent, and from that time forth, we should try to stop sinning.
Lifelong_sinner
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Why do men stumble over imputed righteousness?
Because it’s a concept that is very poorly taught, and even if and when we walk IN the Spirit, sinless, rather than just being led by the Spirit, it still should not be termed “imputed.” He takes us into rather than gives to us, His own righteousness. It’s the “remain in Me” part of remain in Me and I in you.
When we believe, God says that is doing the right thing. The right thing to do is the righteous thing. At that point, our sins are forgiven and God sees we have done the right thing to believe Him. When we believe God, we have done the right thing in His eyes. We are forgiven, not imputed someone else’s righteousness. We ourselves have done the right thing to believe God. He gave us that seed of trust and we did the right thing with what we were given.
We stumble/sin in mistrust/miss the mark a LOT after that. That is to then not do the right thing. But He still forgives and we learn righteousness and what it is and is not. He knows our frame and how weak we are. He knows we are fallen flesh.He is very patient. And when we see we stumbled because of a lack of trust, we get back up and begin running our race of trust again. His mercies begin anew each morning.
It’s silly to say He doesn’t see we have not done right but only sees what Jesus did right. He sees we have not done what is right and forgives and instructs us and we turn back to trust. And He knows the old man must be crucified and that until that happens we have very little control or strength. (Who beats a baby who has little strength because he falls down continually as he begins to learn walking?)
One day, we see that our flesh has been largely put under our feet. It has been put in subjection to our inner man. I don’t surely know much past that except that there is practice in keeping our flesh subjected, learning to rule it with an iron rod. We are in the habit of letting it rule and we slide easily back into it when someone steps on our toes.
So our flesh is still not crucified, (if it was, we could not slip back into our habit and only the inner man would be alive) but it’s largely in subjection except when we slip into our previous habit of letting it rule us.
That’s where I am so I can’t speak much past it. I guess it’s possible it’s where I will remain. It’s not a bad place to be actually. It’s great relief to not be ruled over by your passions.
Because it’s a concept that is very poorly taught, and even if and when we walk IN the Spirit, sinless, rather than just being led by the Spirit, it still should not be termed “imputed.” He takes us into rather than gives to us, His own righteousness. It’s the “remain in Me” part of remain in Me and I in you.
When we believe, God says that is doing the right thing. The right thing to do is the righteous thing. At that point, our sins are forgiven and God sees we have done the right thing to believe Him. When we believe God, we have done the right thing in His eyes. We are forgiven, not imputed someone else’s righteousness. We ourselves have done the right thing to believe God. He gave us that seed of trust and we did the right thing with what we were given.
We stumble/sin in mistrust/miss the mark a LOT after that. That is to then not do the right thing. But He still forgives and we learn righteousness and what it is and is not. He knows our frame and how weak we are. He knows we are fallen flesh.He is very patient. And when we see we stumbled because of a lack of trust, we get back up and begin running our race of trust again. His mercies begin anew each morning.
It’s silly to say He doesn’t see we have not done right but only sees what Jesus did right. He sees we have not done what is right and forgives and instructs us and we turn back to trust. And He knows the old man must be crucified and that until that happens we have very little control or strength. (Who beats a baby who has little strength because he falls down continually as he begins to learn walking?)
One day, we see that our flesh has been largely put under our feet. It has been put in subjection to our inner man. I don’t surely know much past that except that there is practice in keeping our flesh subjected, learning to rule it with an iron rod. We are in the habit of letting it rule and we slide easily back into it when someone steps on our toes.
So our flesh is still not crucified, (if it was, we could not slip back into our habit and only the inner man would be alive) but it’s largely in subjection except when we slip into our previous habit of letting it rule us.
That’s where I am so I can’t speak much past it. I guess it’s possible it’s where I will remain. It’s not a bad place to be actually. It’s great relief to not be ruled over by your passions.
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Lifelong_sinner
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The weapons to the fight the war have been provided. As long a person is still tempted to sin the battles continue and the war for that person has not been won. Jesus was sent to make the impossibility a possibility. The means has been provided, but if we sit back and do nothing, instead of putting on the armour, what should we expect?
Eph 6:10 Finally, my brethren, be strong in the Lord, and in the power of his might.
Eph 6:11 Put on the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to stand against the wiles of the devil.
Eph 6:12 For we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but against principalities, against powers, against the rulers of the darkness of this world, against spiritual wickedness in high places.
Eph 6:13 Wherefore take unto you the whole armour of God, that ye may be able to withstand in the evil day, and having done all, to stand.
Eph 6:14 Stand therefore, having your loins girt about with truth, and having on the breastplate of righteousness;
Eph 6:15 And your feet shod with the preparation of the gospel of peace;
Eph 6:16 Above all, taking the shield of faith, wherewith ye shall be able to quench all the fiery darts of the wicked.
Eph 6:17 And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is the word of God:
Eph 2:8 For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God
it says it’s not you’re faith?
Carl Emerson
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Jude
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless
Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior,
Who alone is wise,
Be glory and majesty,
Dominion and power,
Both now and forever.
Amen.
24 Now to Him who is able to keep you from stumbling,
And to present you faultless
Before the presence of His glory with exceeding joy,
25 To God our Savior,
Who alone is wise,
Be glory and majesty,
Dominion and power,
Both now and forever.
Amen.
Lifelong_sinner
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So when does God impute righteousness ? And on what basis does He impute righteousness ?
