Why do we even have free will?
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Marvin Christopher Fox
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I think your view of human freedom is missing an important aspect of it's meaning.
Jesus did the will of His Father not His own. Yet He demonstrated perfect freedom.
Freedom is the ability to do what ought to be done.
Jesus didn't want to drink the fup His Father prepared for Him. He asked the Father for another way. He sweat blood He so didn't want to do it.
Jesus demonstrated perfect freedom by accepting the Father's will that He die a humiliating agonizing death for the forgiveness of sins.
So we have a paradox.
Jesus marked the spot when He said; "your will Father not mine" with those words
Jesus is at the same time, doing God's will and demonstrating perfect human freedom
Jesus did the will of His Father not His own. Yet He demonstrated perfect freedom.
Freedom is the ability to do what ought to be done.
Jesus didn't want to drink the fup His Father prepared for Him. He asked the Father for another way. He sweat blood He so didn't want to do it.
Jesus demonstrated perfect freedom by accepting the Father's will that He die a humiliating agonizing death for the forgiveness of sins.
So we have a paradox.
Jesus marked the spot when He said; "your will Father not mine" with those words
Jesus is at the same time, doing God's will and demonstrating perfect human freedom
Lambano
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Why didn’t God put a fence around the Tree of the Knowledge of Good and Evil?
Why was the Serpent allowed free rein in the Garden?
If our hearts are inclined towards selfishness and evil, do we even have “Free Will”? If when Jesus returns we will not be able to sin, will we have “Free Will”?
“Faith” means “trust”. I trust God is sovereign over all Creation. I have to trust that for whatever God intends for us to become, it is necessary that we know experientially Good and Evil and the consequences thereof. And that involves having the freedom to choose.
Why was the Serpent allowed free rein in the Garden?
If our hearts are inclined towards selfishness and evil, do we even have “Free Will”? If when Jesus returns we will not be able to sin, will we have “Free Will”?
“Faith” means “trust”. I trust God is sovereign over all Creation. I have to trust that for whatever God intends for us to become, it is necessary that we know experientially Good and Evil and the consequences thereof. And that involves having the freedom to choose.
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if i may—and i understand this is sort of like mixing metaphors or whatever—we are often amazed by something in nature, and wonder how some flora or fauna “know how to” do whatever, when the reality seems to be more like it is the ones who randomly did that whatever that have survived, and i wonder if our (supposedly arguable) free will is not similar
Because we are mot slaves and He wants our love for Him to be given freely from our hearts.
Robert Gwin
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Because God created us in His image Friend. That means we have God's qualities, as close to His spiritual creation as any creature made of dust can be sir. We have a measure of love, justice, wisdom, and power as a result of being created in His image. We have many choices and paths we can follow and still be within the guidelines of obedience to God's laws Friend. That is what free will is, choosing those paths, but within the guidelines of the law. Those who choose to go outside the boundaries of God's laws, are the ones who have chosen to violate the privilege of free will.
Rockerduck
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I wish people would stop calling it free will. There is no such thing. Its God's will, or rebellious will. Rebellious will brings down punishment, so it ain't free at all. You'll pay the price of rebellion against God.
Rockerduck
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Hello friend of,
You said "If only God's will exists then there is no "rebellious" will.
And if only God's will exists then there is no "free" will.
You said "If only God's will exists then there is no "rebellious" will.
And if only God's will exists then there is no "free" will.
ThePuffyBlob
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so we wouldn't become robots?
robots do not evolve on it's own unless the developer upgrades them
if we do not have freewill then won't we stays the same forever and ever isn't that boring for a perfect God? it's like an imperfect human made an AI
but idk either I'm not God nor did God revealed it to me am just making assumptions
robots do not evolve on it's own unless the developer upgrades them
if we do not have freewill then won't we stays the same forever and ever isn't that boring for a perfect God? it's like an imperfect human made an AI
but idk either I'm not God nor did God revealed it to me am just making assumptions
amigo de christo
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shall the thing formed say why hast thou made me thus .
GOD does as HE does and all His judgments are righteous .
Me , myself and I are just happy i am saved by His wonderful grace in Christ Jesus .
None of us has any right to question WHY GOD does as HE Does . Rather let us simply learn FROM HIM .
Jesus denied himself to pay the price of sin, for his Father, to reconcile what was lost by Adam.
Self-denial to live for him (Put God First, Love God First, Love Others), is just kind of a give and take - even so speaking as an admitted failure in this flesh. God loves you and cares about you and all people IN ANY given situation...
He still desires us to turn to him, and pray for help by the spirit, knowing he is our Father, and that one day you will go live with him after this life, in the Heavenly Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Good question @friend of.
Self-denial to live for him (Put God First, Love God First, Love Others), is just kind of a give and take - even so speaking as an admitted failure in this flesh. God loves you and cares about you and all people IN ANY given situation...
He still desires us to turn to him, and pray for help by the spirit, knowing he is our Father, and that one day you will go live with him after this life, in the Heavenly Kingdom of Jerusalem.
Good question @friend of.
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Bob Estey
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He expects us to obey his commandments, but there are only a few.
I don't remember him saying to never follow our hearts.
Denying ourselves only means letting the Lord take over - his plan for our lives is so much better than anything we can imagine.
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