Why Hitler killed the Jews

[BlessedPeace]

One of the many tragedies in American Congress is the Socialist proponent, Bernie Sanders. Who is actually a Capitalist Democrat.

He's a multi-millionaire and owns three homes.

He just promotes Socialist values for his leadership and their power over the people who believe he's onto something.
Socialism is slavery.

 

[John839]

The Bible does not forbid Nationalism at all in fact, it is Nationalism ! and Racism is just BS ! that is just dressed up as something other truly.

Look up regarding how one can not get into the Kingdom of God ! Their is the Key regarding what's wrong ?

Look at the Commandments, where does it say No Nationalism ! or No to Racism ! they are not even on the list ! because such is BS such concept come from another issue that is at hand ?

A Nation that has not Nationalism is dead ! such is like a body being attacked by a Cancer in fact. Communism and Socialism peddle such deceptions. Would you have no door on your House ? would you live with no regard ? open to all infection ! with No immunity ?

Nationalism is part of this world. And Jesus said that Christians do not belong to this world. Nations are worldly. And the whole world will perish. Jesus will destroy this whole world. That means every nation will perish. Should a Christian be proud of something that perishes? Never. Jesus said be proud of that which never perishes. And what never perishes? Paradise.

A Christian has only one nation, and that is Christianity.
A Christian has only one flag and that is the cross.
A Christian has only one homeland and that is paradise.

If someone is a nationalist or patriot of a nation of this world, then he is not and never was a Christian.

 

[JohnDB]

@JohnDB you should probably answer this

Respect?
I don't.
I look at what he accomplished with disgust. He dehumanized people which is not that uncommon. What was uncommon was that he led lots of others to do the same. This whole "US" vs "them" ideology where people became less than human and gave license to commit all sorts of horrible behaviors.

We all have within us the ability to be saints or satans. We don't like to admit that even the mildest among us can commit the worst crimes against humanity(AKA: atrocities)...which is what Hitler did. There were so few who stood up within Germany and Austria against him with any sort of substance that it was pathetic. Everyone went along as if it was the right thing to do. "Jews and Romanians were the enemies of all that is good". This included the clergy and devout church attendees. They never once said what they were doing was an abomination. Everyone (in Germany) was conned into believing that extermination was a good thing.
Kinda like how Russians are being dehumanized today...but much worse.

Hitler would have been incarcerated again for his actions if it weren't for the financial backing of one man. But someone with money supported him...promoted him to the point that he could seize power and allowed Hitler's charisma to influence a nation and ultimately a world to war.

 

[ewq1938]

The Bible does not forbid Nationalism at all in fact, it is Nationalism ! and Racism is just BS ! that is just dressed up as something other truly.

Look up regarding how one can not get into the Kingdom of God ! Their is the Key regarding what's wrong ?

Look at the Commandments, where does it say No Nationalism ! or No to Racism ! they are not even on the list ! because such is BS such concept come from another issue that is at hand ?

A Nation that has not Nationalism is dead ! such is like a body being attacked by a Cancer in fact. Communism and Socialism peddle such deceptions. Would you have no door on your House ? would you live with no regard ? open to all infection ! with No immunity ?

Isn't this sort of how a monster like Hitler came to power? Racism is ok? Extreme Nationalism?

Racism isn't ok but it's ok to dislike bad people (of any race).
Nationalism is ok, but not to the extremes I sense in your posts.

 

[SavedInHim]

Clarification: I clearly distance myself from violence against Jews! Violence against Jews is wrong and unchristian! What I will show here is not meant to incite violence at all!

There's one thing noticeably absent from what you said here. You don't love God's people the Jews; in fact it sounds very much like you hate them, even though you say you distance yourself from violence against them. This seems clear from the number of hate-filled posts you've made against the Jews and Israel since joining on Sept. 9.

What you're saying you believe is basically replacement theology, which has been used as an excuse to persecute Jews practically from the get-go. God loves His people the Jews and if you consider yourself a Christian you'd be wise to do the same.

 

[John839]

There's one thing noticeably absent from what you said here. You don't love God's people the Jews; in fact it sounds very much like you hate them, even though you say you distance yourself from violence against them. This seems clear from the number of hate-filled posts you've made against the Jews and Israel since joining on Sept. 9.

What you're saying you believe is basically replacement theology, which has been used as an excuse to persecute Jews practically from the get-go. God loves His people the Jews and if you consider yourself a Christian you'd be wise to do the same.

Oh you Zionist. Oh you Zionist.
The people of God are the Christians.
The Christians are the true Jews.
The Christians are the true Israel.
But you lack the spirit of God to understand.

How can you love Babylon the great? How can you love the murderers of God and the prophets?
Oh you Zionist, why won't you learn?

 

[SavedInHim]

Oh you Zionist. Oh you Zionist.
The people of God are the Christians.
The Christians are the true Jews.
The Christians are the true Israel.
But you lack the spirit of God to understand.

How can you love Babylon the great? How can you love the murderers of God and the prophets?
Oh you Zionist, why won't you learn?

Nice try. This is my last post to you; it's clear what you're about.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Clarification: I clearly distance myself from violence against Jews! Violence against Jews is wrong and unchristian! What I will show here is not meant to incite violence at all!

Hitler hated the Jews and persecuted them, but many do not know why. One day before his death, Hitler wrote a will on the night of April 29, 1945, explaining, among other things, why he detested the Jews.

Here are the passages related to the Jews in the will:



As you can see, Hitler believed that the Jews control the world and that the Jews are to blame for the world's wars.

No, I don't believe those words even if he wrote them. He was guided by Satan. You could see the anger and hatred in him. He wanted ( as others have) to rule the world. He was jealous of the Jews how their communities prospered, did business but kept to themselves looking upon all Gentiles as beneath them - and still do.
But Hitler not only murdered 6 million Jews. Because of WW2, 75 million died.
He would have lied to his mother and killed his brother if he got in his way. Anger and hatred gives a foothold to Satan to
influence your every move. If anyone was ever possessed by Satan, Hitler was. And Satan was the father of lies and Hitler words, speeches, promises to his people were packed with de eptiin and lies. Murderers always blame it on someone else.
The Jewish family, the Rothschilds, did own the banking system in Europe for hundreds of years and so I am sure he was ticked off about that. Still, war and greed is not how you respond to greed.

 

[covenantee]

There's one thing noticeably absent from what you said here. You don't love God's people the Jews; in fact it sounds very much like you hate them, even though you say you distance yourself from violence against them. This seems clear from the number of hate-filled posts you've made against the Jews and Israel since joining on Sept. 9.

What you're saying you believe is basically replacement theology, which has been used as an excuse to persecute Jews practically from the get-go. God loves His people the Jews and if you consider yourself a Christian you'd be wise to do the same.

Korah and his followers were Jews.

Were they God's people?

The scribes and Pharisees were Jews.

Were they God's people?

The multiplied thousands who were destroyed in the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD were Jews.

Were they God's people?

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Isn't this sort of how a monster like Hitler came to power? Racism is ok? Extreme Nationalism?

Racism isn't ok but it's ok to dislike bad people (of any race).
Nationalism is ok, but not to the extremes I sense in your posts.

The Nation England is Nationalism, So was the USA also built on Nationalism in fact.
No Nation survives if it's not Nationalism, outside of Nationalism is a Cancer that of Socialism and Communism,for this is the rubbish that they peddle.
If one is not a National you are a traitor to your Nation in fact. because such a one is not united as one in fact. you are devided and easy pickings for the Satanist.

Look at the creation of the Jewish Nation under God ! it was Nationalist in fact, but what happened ? who crept in ? remember that others were not allowed in, why because they had Idols in fact !

Hitler was a Socialist in fact and only a creation of Rothschild, W Churchill after the War pointed out what the War really was about in fact, They wanted to win Markets !

Hitler is the biggest sellout of the German Nation in fact ! He is not what the public are made to think he was, His Master was Rothschild's.
The War was Rothschild's baby in fact ! all mastered by his plan ! Just as WW3 is being set up by a clown like Joe Biden, when you see people who beg for war, they have a motive ? and as we see with Ukraine, it's Biden who is forcing and creating all of the Trouble, all the morn does is escalate escalate the intensity of the War and this ends up having to being increased in return. It's Russia that wants to come to a deal but not Biden and Co ?
Now Russia the thing is that now because of the war mongering Biden Russia, is being forced to unite with China and NK etc, How evil is the intent of Biden to create such as this ! wake up people you are being lead astray by demonic people !
Remember Bible points out that You will know them by their works ! Just follow the snail trail ! and you will come to understand the nature of such a beast.

What is truly going down here is that the world that we knew is being undermined by a Traitor Biden and Co, they are not working for freedom or Christian values in Christ Jesus at all in fact !
Biden is undermining the good Jews in Israel in fact and working to set Iran up to undermine them. Your MSM does not want to show you the underhanded Games that are in play !

With out the Traitor Hitler the Germans would of won the War, it was him who undermined everything !

Look at Vietnam the USA was hopeless ! do you know why ! well the Communist knew where the bombing would take place before hand and do you know who informed them of all such ? Their is wheels within wheels going on and you better know what such is than being ignorant of the reality's that truly go on.

Racism is fine ! everyone is racist in fact ! if you do not have a handle on a race then you are ignorant or a fool ! it does not mean that you are ignorant, it means that you are informed ! It does not mean you hate or despise, you may even look up to such in some way even ?
But racial prejudice means that one is a total fool or a moron !

Why do the majority make such stupid claims like delusions about racism ? such is the workings of Satan cultural Marxism !
If one person does not like another for whatever reason that's their progitve ! you have no right to tell or demand another how to think, unless you are a Socialist or a Nazi or a Communist in fact, i myself could not give a rats what others think, it's only the actions if they are of malice that i despise. I despise Political Correctness because it's the working of Satan in fact and it's for morons it's Anti-Christ !

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

No, I don't believe those words even if he wrote them. He was guided by Satan. You could see the anger ND hatred in him. He wanted ( as others have) to rule the world. He was jealous of the Jews how their communities prospered, did business but kept to themselves looking upon all Gentiles as beneath them - and still do.
But Hitler not only murdered 6 million Jews. Because of WW2 75 million died.
He would lied to his mother and killed his brother if he got in his way. Anger and hatred gives a foothold to Satan to
influence your every move. Of anyone was ever possessed by Satan, Hitler was. And Satan was the father of lies and this letter is likely an example. Murderers always blame it on someone else.
The Jewish family, the Rothschilds, did own the banking system in Europe for hundreds of years and so Iam sure he was ticked off about that. Still, war and greed is not how you respond to greed.

An eye was set on who undermined the German Nation crashing it to it's knees ! with 200% inflation ? that was an act of war in it's self !
They were warned that this would end up a disaster and the penny only dropped when it hit, Germany's Political Party's were all totally useless Trash and with no unity.
The Nationalist would unite the Nation that was a dead duck sitting in the water. But this was done under Socialism ! That being the key to the problem !
You see under Socialism you do not truly have free speech, you have to be Politically Correct in fact !

Socialism is always a political Correct god that they serve such an Idol. You can not openly question a Socialist Politically Correct Nation for they do not respect the rights of an individual to speak truly openly ! For you are owned by the State and you are classed as an enemy of the State if you do not follow along with all that such put before you in fact, you become like a maggot a mongrel dog that is owned by it's Satanic master.
That's why the Germans could not call Hitler out in fact and that's why Hitler had spack attacks when questioned by Generals etc about his motives in the War !
They were talking to an idiot that could of easy been exposed as a Traitor to the German people in fact.
That's why one should never let one who rants and raves like he did threatening all and anyone with death for questioning him ! just like all of the Communist do, It's the same bastard Satanic insanity only different packaged.

The public have not been educated on such subjects nowadays because the Devil is in the detail.
Fools think they are getting something out of such ! but what they are being lead into Slavery in fact ! for they are just being played for fools !

The German people were Played for fools and was all Communist Nations, So you need to be educated on such things and not indoctrinated by Slobs !

I have a Jewish blood line and sir name so i did my homework on such things totally seriously ! not like most who are amateurs on the subject with lack of real regard and too pig headed to deal with anything past their indoctrination by Satanic Socialist low life trash.

 

[Reggie Belafonte]

Nationalism is part of this world. And Jesus said that Christians do not belong to this world. Nations are worldly. And the whole world will perish. Jesus will destroy this whole world. That means every nation will perish. Should a Christian be proud of something that perishes? Never. Jesus said be proud of that which never perishes. And what never perishes? Paradise.

A Christian has only one nation, and that is Christianity.
A Christian has only one flag and that is the cross.
A Christian has only one homeland and that is paradise.

If someone is a nationalist or patriot of a nation of this world, then he is not and never was a Christian.

Not true !

The Nationalism i am on about is founded on God and has Grace to all Nations, only it's no ones fool and not to be take for one ?

Just like in a Body you have cells, some are Cancerous and the Body has a function to deal with all such that will cause it injury ? and see their are cells that are the same and different in the body but the body is Nationalist in its self.
Now when another person comes in contact with another well the brain works out if that person is, good intentions to one or bad or whatever !
Now if you do not have the brain power to detect such things will one survive ? best be safe than stupid ?

If you worked to by a new Car and looked after it well, by rights it will treat you well, but if you lack regard to such well be it at your own head. It's my car and i will call anyone out who has lack of regard for it ? same with ones house. Your Town your State your Nation ! you tend to it ! for if you don have regard you will see the weeds grow up and choke it all, That's like people in a town that are out of control lack of regard for everything and everyone, you do not want to have to live in such a place and be in fear for your self or life.

True Christian Nationalism has solid roots for it's foundations proven up standing and it's not derelict like Socialism degenerate is in fact founded on because such is Satanic in fact.

 

[Ronald David Bruno]

Be careful!. Those who curse Israel (the Jews, from which the12 tribes came, who still exist ), these words have not past away:

And I will bless those who bless you, And the one who curses you I will curse. And in you all the families of the earth will be blessed.' Gen. 12:3

According to Romans 11, there is a clear distinction between Israel and the Gentile world. Branches were broken off the Vine, so that we (Gentiles) could he grafted in. They were blinded for our sake, but soon their blindness will be removed and a remnant of some 15 million Jews will be saved - likely 1/3. It is no coincidence that of the world population, 1/3 are Christians, 2.65 billion and counting. Yes, the families of all the earth were blessed because of the chosen nation.
In Revelation, we see ten nations coming against Jerusalem (the nation of Israel) and God destroying those nations and then Jesus taking up residence there in Jerusalem ( in His newly constructed Temple on Mt.Zion) for 1000 years and a world of Christian nations coming to worship our Lord annually.

 

[PinSeeker]

Oh you Zionist. Oh you Zionist.

Come on, now.

The people of God are the Christians. The Christians are the true Jews. The Christians are the true Israel.

All very true, but God's Israel is made up of a multitude of people from every tongue, tribe, and nation... including many (but not all, certainly) ethnic Jews. And many who are not now Christians will become Christians ~ and thus true Jews included in God's Israel ~ at some point. And, Christians are called to love God, of course, but also to love their neighbors ~ these are the two greatest commandments, as Jesus said, upon which rest all the law and the prophets. And our 'neighbors' include ethnic Jews, whether they come to Christ or not.

But you lack the spirit of God to understand. How can you love Babylon the great? How can you love the murderers of God and the prophets?
Oh you Zionist, why won't you learn?

Come on, now. Grace is hard to have and love hard to give sometimes, for sure...

Grace and peace to you.

 

[John839]

Come on, now.


All very true, but God's Israel is made up of a multitude of people from every tongue, tribe, and nation... including many (but not all, certainly) ethnic Jews. And many who are not now Christians will become Christians ~ and thus true Jews included in God's Israel ~ at some point. And, Christians are called to love God, of course, but also to love their neighbors ~ these are the two greatest commandments, as Jesus said, upon which rest all the law and the prophets. And our 'neighbors' include ethnic Jews, whether they come to Christ or not.

Not many ethnic Jews will be Christians, but only a remnant (Romans 9:27). Most ethnic Jews will go to hell.
Any ethnic Jew who is a Christian is of course part of the true Israel.

Come on, now. Grace is hard to have and love hard to give sometimes, for sure...

They killed Jesus and the prophets and you talk like it's nothing? I have a question, what if a Jew comes and rapes your mother and then kills her? Would you hate the Jew or not? Would you trivialize the act like you are doing right now?

Truly, I love Jesus more than my parents. Do you know how much it hurts me that the Jews killed him? My parents are worth nothing compared to Jesus. But you do not love Jesus more than your parents. Because if you really loved Jesus more than your parents, you wouldn't trivialize this horrible act.

 

[SavedInHim]

"28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all." Romans 11:28-32

"17And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, 'Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.' 20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either." Romans 11:17-21

 

[John839]

"28Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. 30For as you were once disobedient to God, yet have now obtained mercy through their disobedience, 31even so these also have now been disobedient, that through the mercy shown you they also may obtain mercy. 32For God has committed them all to disobedience, that He might have mercy on all." Romans 11:28-32

"17And if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive tree, were grafted in among them, and with them became a partaker of the root and fatness of the olive tree, 18do not boast against the branches. But if you do boast, remember that you do not support the root, but the root supports you. 19You will say then, 'Branches were broken off that I might be grafted in.' 20Well said. Because of unbelief they were broken off, and you stand by faith. Do not be haughty, but fear. 21For if God did not spare the natural branches, He may not spare you either." Romans 11:17-21

Paul's words are often misunderstood.

The charismatics use Paul's words to prove their stupid doctrine of speaking in tongues and the Zionists use Paul's words to prove their stupid doctrine of dispensationalism.

If we take Paul's words literally, does that mean that women who have not fathered children are lost? Because in 1 Timothy 2:15 Paul literally says: "A woman is saved when she bears children".

If I take the Bible literally at every point, I can find passages that contradict the Trinity. I can even find Bible passages that contradict the crucifixion.

In fact, we come up with many absurdities when we take the Bible literally.

But does the Bible teach contradictions or absurdities? Absolutely not. These absurdities come from misinterpretation.

Romans 11 is the favorite chapter of the Zionists. It is often used to prove that apostate Israel is still God's beloved people. However, if you look at the entire Bible, you come to the conclusion: that apostate Israel has lost its position as God's holy people. That only a remnant of Jews have accepted the truth and most Jews will go to hell. That the true Israel consists of Christians from all nations. That a Christian is a true descendant of Abraham. That carnal Israel is called the enemy of God.

These conclusions are summed up in the doctrine of "fulfillment theology," but Zionists call this doctrine "replacement theology." This doctrine was taught by the earliest church fathers; indeed, all the great church fathers believed in fulfillment theology. Not only the church fathers, but also the great reformers. The greatest scholars of Christianity were followers of fulfillment theology. Why were they? Because it is biblical.

Who do you want to follow, the greatest scholars of Christianity or the Zionists who follow Babylon? I follow the scholars of church history.

 

[PinSeeker]

Not many ethnic Jews will be Christians, but only a remnant (Romans 9:27).

But we don't know how big that remnant will be... either regarding the number of ethnic Jews or any other ethnicity. All we know is that the total number will be an innumerable multitude (Revelation 7, 14), as the dust of the earth (Genesis 13:16, 28:14), as the grains of sand on the seashore... even the sea (Genesis32:12, 41:49), the stars in the heavens (Genesis 15:5, 22:17, 26:4, 32:13, Deuteronomy 1:10, 10:22). Even so, though, the raw number of any ethnicity is irrelevant; we can only treat anyone as if they are or will be in Christ, because there's no way for us to know, really, whether anyone is elect or not.

Most ethnic Jews will go to hell.

Maybe, but we don't ~ can't ~ know that. All we do know is that the fullness of the Gentiles (the total number of Gentiles included in God's elect) will be brought in to God's Israel (grafted in, and thus true Jews), and then the partial hardening that is on Israel now will be removed (the total number of ethnic Jews included in God's elect will be re-grafted in to God's Israel), and in this way all of God's Israel will be saved (Paul, who was very, very, VERY Jewish <smile>, Romans 11).

Any ethnic Jew who is a Christian is of course part of the true Israel.

Indeed; much agreed.

They killed Jesus and the prophets and you talk like it's nothing? I have a question, what if a Jew comes and rapes your mother and then kills her? Would you hate the Jew or not? Would you trivialize the act like you are doing right now?

Ah, you missed my point, really (I don't mean that to be belittling in any way). Okay:

1. I am not talking about anything or anyone as if it/they are nothing.
2. In a very real sense, you and I killed Jesus ~ He died as atonement for all sin, including yours and mine. So many scriptures to use to back this up... I say the assignment of guilt to ethnic Jews only ~ which, even from the smaller context of the actual event of Jesus's being killed we have to assign guilt not only to Jews but also to Romans, who, through Pontius Pilate, handed Jesus over to the Jews ~ is far, far, far too small.
3. I'm not trivializing anything.

Truly, I love Jesus more than my parents.

Great! I hope far, far more. Me, too. I'm... not sure of the relevance of this statement... <smile> But great.

Do you know how much it hurts me that the Jews killed him?

Well, good, but how do you respond to that? With hatred or vengeance? God says vengeance is His (). And God says not "hate your enemies" (no matter what ethnicity/nationality), but rather "love them" (Matthew 5:44, Luke 6:27,35, Romans 12:20, 2 Thessalonians 3:15), right? And surely, we are exhorted not to show any partiality to any one over another (James 2:1,9). Again, assignment of guilt to Jewish people (past, present, or future) is far too limited.

My parents are worth nothing compared to Jesus.

Well, I wouldn't say "nothing," really. You are aware of Commandment 5, I'm sure. I know what you mean, though, and I agree.

But you do not love Jesus more than your parents.

Comment dismissed; with all due respect, you have no possible way to know this, even beyond the fact that it is not remotely true.

Because if you really loved Jesus more than your parents, you wouldn't trivialize this horrible act.

Yeah, see above. Not "trivializing" anything.

Grace and peace to you, John839.

 

[PinSeeker]

Paul's words are often misunderstood.

Sure, as is the Bible as a whole. And I would call it at least to a very large extent a willful misunderstanding, which is really a contradiction in terms... it's an exchanging of the truth for a lie, as Paul puts it in Romans 1.

The charismatics use Paul's words to prove their stupid doctrine of speaking in tongues and the Zionists use Paul's words to prove their stupid doctrine of dispensationalism.

We certainly agree regarding dispensationalism. <smile> Speaking in tongues is not "stupid," but understood by no one except (maybe) the speaker, so not generally edifying, and therefore strongly discouraged.

...in 1 Timothy 2:15 Paul literally says: "A woman is saved when she bears children".

Well, "...she will be saved through childbearing ~ if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control." A couple of things here are worth noting. Paul says "...she will be saved," but qualifies that by saying "if they continue in faith and love and holiness, with self-control," So I would submit that the 'she' is not referring to any individual by themselves but a collective 'she' (the change from singular 'she' to plural 'they' is a literal rendering of the Greek text), thus jiving with the obvious collective of 'they' in the clarification... the point being that people (women included) are saved (kept, on an ongoing and progressive basis) as they persevere/continue in the faith to carry out the Lord's calling in their lives, one example being the unique role of women in childbearing.

Surely, Paul is not talking about women being saved in the context of being born again of the Spirit, their being justified in their sin, their being made alive together with Christ even when they were dead in their sin and raised us up with Christ and seated with Him in the heavenly places in Christ Jesus through faith, which is not of anyone's own doing but the gift of God (Ephesians 2:4-10).

As you might agree, we are both saved (past tense; the second paragraph above) but also being saved (present tense; the first paragraph above).

In fact, we come up with many absurdities when we take the Bible literally.

Ah, well, I would say 'woodenly' or 'too literally,' which I think you would, too; I understand what you mean, but others may not.

But does the Bible teach contradictions or absurdities? Absolutely not.

Agreed.

Romans 11 is the favorite chapter of the Zionists. It is often used to prove that apostate Israel is still God's beloved people. However, if you look at the entire Bible, you come to the conclusion: that apostate Israel has lost its position as God's holy people. That only a remnant of Jews have accepted the truth and most Jews will go to hell. That the true Israel consists of Christians from all nations. That a Christian is a true descendant of Abraham. That carnal Israel is called the enemy of God.

Again, I don't completely disagree, but I would just submit that outward Israel was never inward Israel, even in the Old Testament. I say that, reiterating what Paul, the "Jew of Jews," says in Romans 9:6, that "not all who are descended from Israel belong to Israel..." (Jacob was renamed Israel by God, as I'm sure you know; God's Israel is a people, not a tiny strip of land on the eastern end of the Mediterranean Sea).

These conclusions are summed up in the doctrine of "fulfillment theology," but Zionists call this doctrine "replacement theology." This doctrine was taught by the earliest church fathers; indeed, all the great church fathers believed in fulfillment theology. Not only the church fathers, but also the great reformers.

The true theology of the Reformers (from Martin Luther and John Calvin to Jonathan Edwards and Abraham Kuyper and even up to today is an "inclusion theology," in that, as you say, Gentiles are included with (at least some) ethnic Jews in God's Israel, His elect, those who are or will be in Christ. The Reformers were not Zionists. <smile>

I follow the scholars of church history.

I follow Jesus. <smile> And I'm not saying you don't... <smile>

Grace and peace to you, John839!

 

[ScottA]

Clarification: I clearly distance myself from violence against Jews! Violence against Jews is wrong and unchristian! What I will show here is not meant to incite violence at all!

Hitler hated the Jews and persecuted them, but many do not know why. One day before his death, Hitler wrote a will on the night of April 29, 1945, explaining, among other things, why he detested the Jews.

Here are the passages related to the Jews in the will:



As you can see, Hitler believed that the Jews control the world and that the Jews are to blame for the world's wars.

More importantly...after Jesus had "finished" with the house of Israel for which He first came-- Why did God allow 6 million Jews, etc. to be killed on the world stage, coincidentally during a war called the "2nd" world war? Coincidence? No.

Incidentally, the 1st world war came as a result of the assassination of a man who's name is translated "Brave" "Peace."

But no, God allowed the horrific deaths of so many as a warning-- a warning to the gentiles who have done more than crucify the flesh of God, but have since done as much to the spirit of God.