Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

[GeneZ]

Everyone's RESURRECTION which is the first.

Unbelievers will have a separate resurrection.

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence,​

and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books ​

were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they ​

had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the ​

dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades ​

were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." Revelation 20:11-14​

When it says, "the dead?"
That speaks of unbelievers. Spiritually dead!

Another disciple said to him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”​

But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”​

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Matthew 8:21-22 + Luke 9:60.​

Believers have been made alive in Christ!

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[soberxp]

Unbelievers will have a separate resurrection.

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence,​

and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books ​

were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they ​

had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the ​

dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades ​

were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." Revelation 20:11-14​

When it says, "the dead?"
That speaks of unbelievers. Spiritually dead!

Another disciple said to him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”​

But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”​

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Matthew 8:21-22 + Luke 9:60.​

Believers have been made alive in Christ!

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I still think this is a bit cruel, according to God's power, why not build labor camps, everyone reform, and save it.

Juat my own thoughts,not what God's will.

 

[GeneZ]

I still think this is a bit cruel, according to God's power, why not build labor camps, everyone reform, and save it.

Juat my own thoughts,not what God's will.

God would be cruel if he allowed all those who would hate, despise, and abuse you, to exist with you in eternity forever.

That is why Hell has torment.

For the torments will serve as a constant reminder of what they would cause for those who love God, if they were allowed to continue being free with the total freedom that eternity will grant us.

God is not stupid.

 

[soberxp]

God would be cruel if he allowed all those who would hate, despise, and abuse you, to exist with you in eternity forever.

That is why Hell has torment.

For the torments will serve as a constant reminder of what they would cause for those who love God, if they were allowed to continue being free with the total freedom that eternity will grant us.

God is not stupid.

That's why I am human beings,,can't,thinking from the way of God.

 

[GeneZ]

That's why I am human beings,,can't,thinking from the way of God.

Because those who love evil can not be reformed.

That is why, for some, God ordered the death penalty.

Stop thinking we are all the same.
We are not.

 

[soberxp]

Because those who love evil can not be reformed.

That is why, for some, God ordered the death penalty.

Stop thinking we are all the same.
We are not.

I'm not afraid of death it's like sleeping, the robot shuts down, I just want to know a lot of things I care about, when all interest is disillusioned, Living may be a kind of torture.

I just can't stand the eternal punishment, the pain may be intolerable to me.I can tolerate pain, but I do have my limits.

God shows me a little bit of the fire,
I've felt, I want to say it's hard to feel it and easy to fell it both ways,or There are two forms of fire., I just wonder why God doesn't make a separate one-room house for everyone who doesn't know the truth, and then teach it patiently, God's time is infinite,

 

[GeneZ]

I'm not afraid of death it's like sleeping, the robot shuts down, I just want to know a lot of things I care about, when all interest is disillusioned, Living may be a kind of torture.

I just can't stand the eternal punishment, the pain may be intolerable to me.I can tolerate pain, but I do have my limits.

God shows me a little bit of the fire,
I've felt, I want to say it's hard to feel it and easy to fell it both ways,or There are two forms of fire., I just wonder why God doesn't make a separate one-room house for everyone who doesn't know the truth, and then teach it patiently, God's time is infinite,

No one likes the idea.
It's healthy not to like it.
You believe the torments are real.
That proves you are saved.

Look what Satan did to Job, and you might begin to understand why the Lake of Fire is to be the way it is.

 

[Taken]

Why I don't believe in a pretrib rapture

@Cross8527 , and others.

Good News…
God IS JUST.
All shall receive Gods gifts, blessings, rewards according to the consequences established For their Beliefs.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[GeneZ]

The reason you do not believe in the pretrib rapture is because you keep on receiving poor teachings, and you lack the needed filling of the Spirit to grasp it.

That's how it works.

That goes for any essential teaching, not just pretrib.

God help you. We can't.

 

[Jay Ross]

The reason you do not believe in the pretrib rapture is because you keep on receiving poor teachings, and you lack the needed filling of the Spirit to grasp it.

That's how it works.

That goes for any essential teaching, not just pretrib.

God help you. We can't.

This post shows how the "spiritual" demons have brought confusion among the so called "Saints" with false teaching.

 

[Scott Downey]

Unbelievers will have a separate resurrection.

Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. The earth and the heavens fled from his presence,​

and there was no place for them. And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books ​

were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they ​

had done as recorded in the books. The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the ​

dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what they had done. Then death and Hades ​

were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death." Revelation 20:11-14​

When it says, "the dead?"
That speaks of unbelievers. Spiritually dead!

Another disciple said to him, “Lord, first let me go and bury my father.”​

But Jesus told him, “Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead.”​

​

Matthew 8:21-22 + Luke 9:60.​

Believers have been made alive in Christ!

​

nope that is fake news, Jesus says they come forth in the same hour.
All are resurrected and all are judged, on the last day, you are not reading Rev 20 correctly.

John 5
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

 

[Scott Downey]

1. John 11:24
   Martha said to Him, “I know that he will rise again in the resurrection at the last day.”
   
   
2. John 12:48
   He who rejects Me, and does not receive My words, has that which judges him— the word that I have spoken will judge him in the last day.

To be judged, have to be resurrected first.

 

[Scott Downey]

So who is judging the dead of Rev 20?
Not the Father as He judges no one.

Bible Gateway passage: John 5 - New King James Version

A Man Healed at the Pool of Bethesda - After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed...

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18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.

21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

 

[GeneZ]

nope that is fake news, Jesus says they come forth in the same hour.
All are resurrected and all are judged, on the last day, you are not reading Rev 20 correctly.

John 5
28 Do not marvel at this; for the hour is coming in which all who are in the graves will hear His voice 29 and come forth—those who have done good, to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil, to the resurrection of condemnation. 30 I can of Myself do nothing. As I hear, I judge; and My judgment is righteous, because I do not seek My own will but the will of the Father who sent Me.

They are not going to be standing next to each other in the same line.

The believers will be evaluated in one resurrection.

Unbelievers, in their own resurrection, will be judged and condemned.

 

[GeneZ]

So who is judging the dead of Rev 20?
Not the Father as He judges no one.

Bible Gateway passage: John 5 - New King James Version

A Man Healed at the Pool of Bethesda - After this there was a feast of the Jews, and Jesus went up to Jerusalem. Now there is in Jerusalem by the Sheep Gate a pool, which is called in Hebrew, Bethesda, having five porches. In these lay a great multitude of sick people, blind, lame, paralyzed...

www.biblegateway.com

18 Therefore the Jews sought all the more to kill Him, because He not only broke the Sabbath, but also said that God was His Father, making Himself equal with God. 19 Then Jesus answered and said to them, “Most assuredly, I say to you, the Son can do nothing of Himself, but what He sees the Father do; for whatever He does, the Son also does in like manner. 20 For the Father loves the Son, and shows Him all things that He Himself does; and He will show Him greater works than these, that you may marvel.

21 For as the Father raises the dead and gives life to them, even so the Son gives life to whom He will. 22 For the Father judges no one, but has committed all judgment to the Son, 23 that all should honor the Son just as they honor the Father. He who does not honor the Son does not honor the Father who sent Him.

You are missing a detail.
When Jesus spoke those words, he was speaking as a perfect man.

For he had to make himself be a man in order to die for all men.

Who, being eternally existing in very nature God,​

did not consider equality with God something ​

to be used to his own advantage;​

rather, he made himself nothing​

by taking the very nature of a servant,​

being made in human likeness.​

And being found in appearance as a man,​

he humbled himself​

by becoming obedient to death—​

Even death on a cross!​

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Philippians 2:6-8​

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After he had died for all men?
THEN it happened!
He returned to his full function as being God.
But, this time... To be God in bodily form!

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Colossians 2:9​

That only became possible after He ascended and was glorified by the Father.

If he did not become as a perfectly rigteous man in his power?
On the Cross, he could have never died for all men.


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[Scott Downey]

You are missing a detail.
When Jesus spoke those words, he was speaking as a perfect man.

For he had to make himself be a man in order to die for all men.

Who, being eternally existing in very nature God,​

did not consider equality with God something ​

to be used to his own advantage;​

rather, he made himself nothing​

by taking the very nature of a servant,​

being made in human likeness.​

And being found in appearance as a man,​

he humbled himself​

by becoming obedient to death—​

Even death on a cross!​

​

Philippians 2:6-8​

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After he had died for all men?
THEN it happened!
He returned to his full function as being God.
But, this time... To be God in bodily form!

For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form." Colossians 2:9​

That only became possible after He ascended and was glorified by the Father.

If he did not become as a perfectly rigteous man in his power?
On the Cross, he could have never died for all men.


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HE is the Lord, you're distorting the truth of what He says. Always boggles my mind why people fight against Christ and His words.

All the dead are raised on the Last Day, which is the Last day of this world.

Do you understand that when Christ comes again, heaven and earth will pass away, and what occurs is the resurrection and the judgment?

 

[Scott Downey]

2 Timothy 4
New King James Version

1 I charge you [a]therefore before God and the Lord Jesus Christ, who will judge the living and the dead at His appearing and His kingdom: 2 Preach the word! Be ready in season and out of season. Convince, rebuke, exhort, with all longsuffering and teaching. 3 For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine, but according to their own desires, because they have itching ears, they will heap up for themselves teachers; 4 and they will turn their ears away from the truth, and be turned aside to fables. 5 But you be watchful in all things, endure afflictions, do the work of an evangelist, fulfill your ministry.

Bible Gateway passage: Mark 13 - New King James Version

Jesus Predicts the Destruction of the Temple - Then as He went out of the temple, one of His disciples said to Him, “Teacher, see what manner of stones and what buildings are here!” And Jesus answered and said to him, “Do you see these great buildings? Not one stone shall be left upon another...

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The Coming of the Son of Man​

24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His [h]elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.

The Parable of the Fig Tree​

28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near. 29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that [i]it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.

No One Knows the Day or Hour​

32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping. 37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!”

 

[Marilyn C]

It is because of this verse here

Let no one deceive you by any means; for that Day will not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshiped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God. Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He who now restrains will do so until He is taken out of the way. And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. (2 Thess. 2:3-8)

I used to believe in a pretrib rapture but if it was true then what does this verse mean then?

Hi Cross,

The `Day` is the Day of the LORD God Almighty in judgments upon the inhabitants of the world.

`For behold the LORD comes out of His place to punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; the earth will also disclose her blood, and will no more cover her slain.` (isa. 26: 21)

As the believer is in Christ they are not under God`s judgments.

So, the `falling away,` apostasy of the world and the man of sin revealed all takes place in the Day of the LORD God Almighty in judgments.

 

[GeneZ]

HE is the Lord, you're distorting the truth of what He says. Always boggles my mind why people fight against Christ and His words.

All the dead are raised on the Last Day, which is the Last day of this world.

Do you understand that when Christ comes again, heaven and earth will pass away, and what occurs is the resurrection and the judgment?

You are allowed to believe that because you do not grasp the Pre-Trib rapture.

For the Rapture will be the first resurrection.

For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel ​

and with the trumpet-call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. After that, we who are still alive ​

and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. ​

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And so we will be with the Lord forever. 1 Thessalonians 4:16-17​

While the Church is experiencing resurrection, there will be 1000 years of perfect environment remaining down on earth with the non-resurrected people.

Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection. The second death has no power over them,​

but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with him for a thousand years.​

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When the thousand years are over, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to deceive the nations ​

in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—and to gather them for battle. In number, they are like the sand on the seashore. Revelation 20:6-8​

The last day of this world will be the day when the Millennium ends.
Sometime after the conclusion of that battle, mentioned in verse 8.

 

[GeneZ]

HE is the Lord, you're distorting the truth of what He says. Always boggles my mind why people fight against Christ and His words.

All the dead are raised on the Last Day, which is the Last day of this world.

Do you understand that when Christ comes again, heaven and earth will pass away, and what occurs is the resurrection and the judgment?

In the story of the Prince and the Pauper, the prince remained being the prince.
But he was only able to function as the pauper.
Likewise, even though Jesus was God, in his agreement with the Father's plan, he was only able to function as a man.