stunnedbygrace
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Consider that God imputes righteousness to those who will believe in His promises according to Romans 4:20-22.
Yes, He does. But it is taking it too far to then be the judge of men yourself.
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Consider that God imputes righteousness to those who will believe in His promises according to Romans 4:20-22.
He goes beyond that to claim that as an "episkopos", he has been "visited" by God and approved, which now gives him the right and authority to approve or reject others.
The righteousness of Christ as it is given to us is not only imputed and/or positional; it is also imparted and practical (Romans 5:19, Matthew 5:6, 1 John 3:7).
Because of the beauty bestowed on us, will we now be lifted up?
Your heart was proud because of the beauty bestowed upon you, you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor.
First of all it is the righteousness of God....not of Christ...
First of all it is the righteousness of God....not of Christ...
Concerning judging, @stunnedbygrace, I would bring up a few verses.
Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Phl 1:9, And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment;
Christ is God.
@Episkopos, This makes me wonder if you are even saved. The Deity of Christ is a doctrine that is essential to salvation (John 8:24).
Yes; however I think you will have to agree that the word of the Lord is authoritative.It's hard to speak to a religious person. Everything is about dogmatics...
Yes; however I think you will have to agree that the word of the Lord is authoritative.
Most of the time I let it speak for itself and don't even give an interpretation.Just as authoritative as your interpretation of it is often lunacy.
Concerning judging, @stunnedbygrace, I would bring up a few verses.
Isa 56:1, Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed.
Isa 56:2, Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil.
Jhn 7:24, Judge not according to the appearance, but judge righteous judgment.
Phl 1:9, And this I pray, that your love may abound yet more and more in knowledge and in all judgment.
So; are you saying that the verses that I have brought forth are invalid?This is a perfect example of indoctrination removing fear of God and producing a lawyer. To use verses to defend yourself and to cancel out other words from God. You are now using verses to defend judging others
All verses about judging others and what will happen if we do, get cancelled out and fear is gone. This is not the kind of boldness Gods Spirit produces.
So; are you saying that the verses that I have brought forth are invalid?
It is not that I started with a judgmental attitude and then picked those verses to defend "my sin" of being judgmental.
It is that the Lord told me to keep judgment in those verses; and I do so in obedience to His word.
The verses defend my behaviour because my behaviour is the result of following them.
What verses tell me not to judge? The only passage that I can think of that tells me this is Matthew 7:1-6.No. I am saying you present one side, in defense of judging unbelievers, without the entire counsel from God, and that in doing so, you are using the words from God to defend yourself in your judgement while ignoring the verses that would save you from this terrifying error and bring you back to wisdom.
And you are not judging me in saying this.The words from God are not to be used the way you use them.