Very well up to you
For the benefit of readers, there were two gospels, but there is only one gospel now, Paul's gospel. God's salvation was revealed progressively.
WHY ISN'T THIS ANGEL ACCURSED?
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For the benefit of readers, there were two gospels, but there is only one gospel now, Paul's gospel. God's salvation was revealed progressively.
Ronald Nolette
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Sorry but prayer told me to do otherewise. He is not open to being corrected by Scripture.
You two please explain something to me
The twelve apostles were sent to preach the gospel right?............[Luk 9:6 KJV] "And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where."
You say there was only one gospel and they were preaching the death and resurrection for salvation, right? How could they preach it in Luke 9:6 when Jesus didnt tell them about his death until Luke 18............[Luk 18:31 KJV] "Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished."
[Luk 18:32 KJV] "For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:"
[Luk 18:33 KJV] "And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."............how could they preach the gospel of salvation found in his death and resurrection if they didn't understand it..............[Luk 18:34 KJV] "And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken."
You two please explain something to me
The twelve apostles were sent to preach the gospel right?............[Luk 9:6 KJV] "And they departed, and went through the towns, preaching the gospel, and healing every where."
You say there was only one gospel and they were preaching the death and resurrection for salvation, right? How could they preach it in Luke 9:6 when Jesus didnt tell them about his death until Luke 18............[Luk 18:31 KJV] "Then he took [unto him] the twelve, and said unto them, Behold, we go up to Jerusalem, and all things that are written by the prophets concerning the Son of man shall be accomplished."
[Luk 18:32 KJV] "For he shall be delivered unto the Gentiles, and shall be mocked, and spitefully entreated, and spitted on:"
[Luk 18:33 KJV] "And they shall scourge [him], and put him to death: and the third day he shall rise again."............how could they preach the gospel of salvation found in his death and resurrection if they didn't understand it..............[Luk 18:34 KJV] "And they understood none of these things: and this saying was hid from them, neither knew they the things which were spoken."
They knew and preached this:
Jn 3:14-16
And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so must the Son of man be lifted up: That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life. For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
Are you saying this is a different gospel?
The angel might not be a literal angel. it might be a pastor. Because pastors are the angels of the church according to the start of relevation.
Do you see anything that says Christ died for our sins and rose for our justification, anything about his shed blood?
Who is "whosoever believeth"? We find it in this following verse which no one ever quotes or understands...........[Jhn 3:18 KJV] "He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God."........they had to ONLY believe in his name..........[Jhn 20:31 KJV] "But these are written, that ye might believe that Jesus is the Christ, the Son of God; and that believing ye might have life through his name.".........Israel had to believe on his name, believe he is Christ the Son of God
Yes could be except it is said "And I saw another angel fly in the midst of heaven," not sure a pastor would fly. An angel is a messenger
Do you note see the reference to His crucifixion in stating he must be lifted up? Now, answer my question and stop dodging it. Is John 3:16 a different gospel that one that Paul taught?
In regard to Christ being lifted up, if it is indeed speaking of his crucifixion, it does not tell us what it accomplished. Jesus told the apostles he would be crucified; his crucifixion and death and resurrection were all found in the prophets in the OT. Only thru Paul did Jesus reveal the cross was for our eternal salvation/justification.
So yes, Paul's gospel is a different gospel because it fully manifests the cross; neither Jesus nor the apostles preached the cross. I must elaborate here, First of all Jesus did speak to the apostles of his blood being for the remission of sins for the MANY................, [Matthew 26:28 KJV] "For this is my blood of the new testament, which is shed for many for the remission of sins."..........but this was only for the new testament, for the sins Israel (the many) committed under the first testament..............[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.".
Lastly, Paul also preached Jesus is the Son of God............[Acts 9:20 KJV] "And straightway he preached Christ in the synagogues, that he is the Son of God."...............Paul preached the name of Christ as well...........[1 Corinthians 1:2 KJV] "Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called [to be] saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:".............Gods salvation is revealed progressively and while Paul did preach that Jesus was the Son of God, and the name of Christ, he didn't preach that as our means of salvation. Paul preached the revelation of our gospel for our salvation
If they had faith in Jesus as 3:16 said then the sacrifice was for them
So you are preaching two gospels.
It wasn't only for the sins of Israel... the MANY is "WHOSOEVER BELIEVES"
God's plan of salvation may be revealed progressivity but there is only one gospel...one, as in the Jews are saved in the same way the gentiles are. Paul DID preach the Son of God as salvation. What do you think is being preached here:
2 Co 1:19 For the Son of God, Jesus Christ, who was preached among you by us, even by me and Silvanus and Timotheus, was not yea and nay, but in him was yea.
Not at the same time. Israel had a gospel and we have Paul's. Only Paul's is for us to believe today
Hebrews 9:15 says otherwise
Jesus said he was only sent to save Israel
Have you ever preached the gospel? I have and I use Jn 3:16 as one3 of the core verses. Paul's gospel is the same
Are you saying Gentiles are not partakers of the New Testament? That's absurd.
To the Jew First...they rejected him so the gentiles were grafted in. Stop plucking verses out of context. Jesus also went to the Samaritans...they were not Israel
Jn 4:9-10
Then saith the woman of Samaria unto him, How is it that thou, being a Jew, askest drink of me, which am a woman of Samaria? for the Jews have no dealings with the Samaritans. Jesus answered and said unto her, If thou knewest the gift of God, and who it is that saith to thee, Give me to drink; thou wouldest have asked of him, and he would have given thee living water.
You can use it, but I dont. It says nothing about the cross.
The new testament blood of Christ was shed for Israel to forgive their sins which is what Hebrew 9:15 says
Gentiles who believed Peter in Acts 10 were grafted into believing Israel.
Paul revealed we were made partakers of the shed blood of the new testament.
This says nothing about the cross but it's preached by Paul. This proves that Paul taught the same gospel as Jn 3:16
Ro 10:8-11
But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach; That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed.
To limit the context of Hebrews 9:15 to just Israel when the gospel was already being preached to the Gentiles is total misunderstanding.
Paul cited this verse because Romans 9 10 & 11 are not about the body of Christ these chapters are dealing with Israel
The verses above are talking to OT Israel and Paul is applying them to unbelieving Israel at his writing............[Deuteronomy 30:14 KJV] "But the word [is] very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it."
Look at this excerpt from Hebrew 9:15.........for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament,..........were Gentiles under the first testament?
No but the Gentiles were redeemed from their transgressions. You act like this means only the Jews were.
WRONG....let's look at who the book of Romans is addressed to:
Ro 1:7 To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
This includes bot Jews and Gentiles. Chapters 9, 10 and 11 are spoken to the gentiles ABOUT the jews. It wasn't written to the jews.
You say that Hebrews 9:15 also includes Gentiles.
We agree Gentiles werent under the first testament only Israel. Look at the verse again.............[Hebrews 9:15 KJV] "And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions [that were] under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance."..........Jesus died to redeem the transgressions that WERE UNDER THE FIRST TESTAMENT, If the Gentiles werent under the new testament they couldnt have any transgressions to redeem. Only Israel had transgressions committed under the first testament.
Jesus came to redeem Israel to be a blessing in the millennial kingdom and to be priests to lead the Gentiles to the Lord and be saved. Now we know that the blood shed only for the sins of Israel was also applied to us, Jew and Gentile. We only know this because Christ revealed it thru Paul
