Why Jesus told the servant not to weed out the tares

[VictoryinJesus]

The fundamental principle here is that if a believer has scruples about any practice (which in itself may be harmless) the stronger Christian must always accommodate the weaker Christian, and avoid causing offence. For example if a Jew or a Muslim becomes a Christian, it becomes the responsibility of Gentile Christians to avoid pork and bacon when they are invited to a meal. If a Hindu or Buddhist becomes a Christian, this then applies to foods offered to Hindu or Buddhist idols, and should be totally shunned.

once they convert to Christian that is, yea? Until they become brothers? Not before?
Honestly you have stumped me on that passage because the version you shared I’ve never read before, and it made realize I may seriously be mistaken.

Revisiting it again, the Lexicon version, and why that passage became significant to me in the first place, which now I’m doubting based off the version you quoted.
Love makes arrogant. (Oops, correction…not Love) Knowledge makes arrogant.
But love edifies.

maybe I am wrong and there has to be a conversion or belief or choosing first before it can be said “one for whom Christ died.”

still, even if that is the case the topic of that passage seems to be. Edification. “The Building up”…whether it is edification and a building up ONLY of those “for whom Christ died”…as you said those above (Hindu, Muslim, Jews, Buddhist…)only become brothers once they convert to Christianity, then and only then, are Christians who are strong in the faith are then to support the weak? Newly converted? (Did I understand that correctly?)

 

[robert derrick]

(See the above post) but also consider the parable of then the evil one comes and steals (catches) away the word sown in the heart. Preventing others from hearing.

Then there are the fowls…
And the thorns which choke out the word..

Luke 8:13 TLB - ¹³ The stony ground represents those who enjoy listening to sermons, but somehow the message never really gets through to them and doesn’t take root and grow

let them grow together … that you don’t root up the wheat? Luke 8:15 TLB
"But the good soil represents honest, good-hearted people. They listen to God's words and cling to them and steadily spread them to others …who also soon believe."

Do you disagree, The seed is the message of Christ, which provides for a strengthened; made strong root? You said “what gets wrongly rooted up is the wheat, not Christ” disagree because—isn’t Christ THE message prevented? where Paul said if you destroy your brother for whom Christ Died, you sin against Christ. To me as being “wrongly” rooted up; sinning against Christ. It doesn’t say: if you destroy your brother for whom Christ died…you wrongly root up wheat, so sinning against the wheat. But instead ‘wrongly’ what was planted of God ‘the message’ gets rooted up along with the tares.

: to destroy and do harm to one who is weak… is to destroy(root up) up that which was planted of God; “one who Christ died for”.

^see “for whom Christ died for” >that weak one Paul sat with, one whom Paul referred to as one meat could destroy him …that one “whom Christ died for”—the “whom Christ died for” being what was planted of God in >that one who was weak in faith…Christ died for. Does God pull up “whom Christ died for”? Even weak in faith? To me that is what is planted of God…the message of whom Christ died for.

Isn’t that what the evil one does? he comes to steal away the word planted; before it has time to grow. Come to steal and Pluck up, the message; “whom Christ died for”; before it can grow? Why? Why does the evil one want to destroy-prevent-root up-steal away the words of God—the message of “whom Christ died for”?

No man nor spirit can stop others from believing.

The point remains the same: ministers who either do not preach against sin, or do not teach the law of Christ rightly, don't know how to cleanse the church when sinners of Pharisees abound.

Tares are not the weak in the faith, but the false brethren creeping in:

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.

 

[robert derrick]

Robert, it's not the responsibility of the pastor to uproot the tares!

If you notice, Christ said to let the tares grow until the harvest, in other words, the resurrection, the tares will be uprooted.

It is Christ that uproots the tares! The pastor has no authority to cast anyone into hell, that's what uprooting the tares means in that parable. He will take care of the tares in His timing, not the pastor. The pastor is to teach and preach sound doctrine.

Problems in the church with certain individuals are to be taken care of the way the Master Church Builder said. Warn them, if that doesn't work, bring them before the Church elders with another warning and no longer associate with them. But continue to acknowledge them as a brother or sister.

It's the ministers duty to preach all Scripture, which includes righteousness according to the law of Christ.

Desiring to be teachers of the law; understanding neither what they say, nor whereof they affirm.

Those who don't will have both sinners and Pharisees infesting the church. Those who do will prevent sinners and Pharisees from growing at all.

If you notice, Christ said to let the tares grow until the harvest

...lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

Lest the slothful minister uproots wheat by ignorant zeal.

It is Christ that uproots the tares! The pastor has no authority to cast anyone into hell, that's what uprooting the tares means in that parable. He will take care of the tares in His timing, not the pastor. The pastor is to teach and preach sound doctrine.

He does so by His Scriptures being ministered rightly. Which is not the case with slothful ministers that don't want to offend anyone in the first place.

For do I now persuade men, or God? or do I seek to please men? for if I yet pleased men, I should not be the servant of Christ.

Warn them, if that doesn't work, bring them before the Church elders with another warning and no longer associate with them. But continue to acknowledge them as a brother or sister.

Which is why the slothful minister doesn't know what he is doing when it comes to purging the church of tares: He doesn't want to offend anyonre.

And if he shall neglect to hear them, tell it unto the church: but if he neglect to hear the church, let him be unto thee as an heathen man and a publican.

Not a brother or sister. They are turned over to the world of Satan they love so much, and rejected from the fellowship of the saints. If they repent, then restore them gladly, if not then forget about them ever being in the body of Christ and move on to those that need and want help.

 

[robert derrick]

You are 'trying' to talk about Christ's parable of the tares of the field of Matthew 13. Later in that chapter Lord Jesus revealed what those parable symbols mean, thus explainging... the parable to His disciples.

the Sower = "He that soweth the good seed is the Son of man" (Matthew 13:17)

the Field = "The field is the world;"

the good seed = "the good seed are the children of the kingdom,"

the tares = "but the tares are the children of the wicked one;"

the sower of the tares = "The enemy that sowed them is the devil;"

the Harvest = "the harvest is the end of the world;"

the Reapers = "and the reapers are the angels."

the tares are cast into the fire = "As therefore the tares are gathered and burned in the fire; so shall it be in the end of this world." (which this world officially ends after Christ's future "thousand years" reign and the GWT Judgment happens).

Just as we are shown early on in Genesis 3, this present world was setup for spiritual warfare between God's people that He sowed, and the devil's children which he sowed.

God speaking to the serpent (Satan) in Genesis 3...

Gen 3:15
15 And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.
KJV

In the parable, Lord Jesus is saying to leave the 'tares' alone. Why? because if you go after them you might also by mistake get some of the good seed along with them, because literal 'tares' in wheat look JUST LIKE REAL WHEAT WHILE GROWING. Only once the tares reach their final state do they emit black buds on their ends so you can tell they are tares, and not wheat. That is why the tares are not separated from the wheat until both are fully grown and it's time to harvest the wheat.

Jesus said you'll know them by their works, and that is what we are supposed to do until the Harvest.

He told the slothful servant to leave them alone, because he was not energetic about keeping them from growing in the church in the first place.

It is by ministry of righteousness and law of Christ taught accurately, that does not allow tares to grow up as one of the members of the church in the first place.

You don't allow OSAS believers to abound, where sin is taught against as being of the devil, and you don't allow Pharisees with men's commandments to abound where the law of Christ is taught as written.

Both Unrighteous sinners by grace and holier-than-thou Pentecosters are exposed for what they are. Neither of them will hang around for long, just by saying that one sentence alone.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place.

If a pastor is not going to preach against works of the flesh faith aloners, or against holier-than-thou Pentecosters, then he won't know how to start doing so, once they raise their ugly heads among the saints.

Jesus said the reason not to pull up the weeds is that they may pull up some of the wheat with them. Also the field wasn't the church it was the world of mankind, so anyone saying the field was the church is putting words in Jesus mouth, Jesus said the field is the world not the church.
Also Jesus said the weeds would be sewed while men were sleeping. This could refer to spiritual drowsiness but since sleep can also refer to death Jesus could be saying that after he had gone into heaven and the apostles and disciples who were the first century christians died off that an enemy who is the devil would sew weeds in the world of mankind. Since the apostle Paul said what he did at Acts 20:28 is very possible that Jesus was saying that when the apostles and first century disciples of Jesus died Satan the devil would sew weeds in the world of mankind. These weeds and wheat would grow together during this time from the time the first century christians died until the harvest and that people of the world wouldn't be able to know a weed from a wheat. It would only be at the harvest that is Jesus second presence that Jesus along with his angels will separate the weeds from the wheat. It will be at this time that the true Christians would be able to see the difference between the true christian people and those who are the weeds who are the imitation christians.

 

[robert derrick]

Jesus said the reason not to pull up the weeds is that they may pull up some of the wheat with them.

True, that's exactly what He said to the slothful minister.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

No man nor spirit can stop others from believing.

The point remains the same: ministers who either do not preach against sin, or do not teach the law of Christ rightly, don't know how to cleanse the church when sinners of Pharisees abound.

Tares are not the weak in the faith, but the false brethren creeping in:

These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots.

And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage.

you keep saying he said this to the slothful minister…to not bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat … “The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place”

then in other post again referring to his telling this to the slothful servant? As if that is key. Slothful=he wasn’t doing what was necessary to prevent their using up in the local church in the first place.
Can you quote the verse where he said this to the slothful minister…don’t bother trying to weed the tares from the wheat?

 

[Davy]

He told the slothful servant to leave them alone, because he was not energetic about keeping them from growing in the church in the first place.

It is by ministry of righteousness and law of Christ taught accurately, that does not allow tares to grow up as one of the members of the church in the first place.

You don't allow OSAS believers to abound, where sin is taught against as being of the devil, and you don't allow Pharisees with men's commandments to abound where the law of Christ is taught as written.

Both Unrighteous sinners by grace and holier-than-thou Pentecosters are exposed for what they are. Neither of them will hang around for long, just by saying that one sentence alone.

You're not really sticking to the 'tares' parable. In the parable Jesus said not to try and harvest the tares early, lest you by mistake get some of the good wheat also. That means one of the good seed could be deceived and you'd included them as a tare. An example would be Apostle Paul before Christ struck him down on the road to Damascus. Paul was called Saul then, and he was with the blind Pharisees, and even held the coats of the Pharisees that stoned the Christian prophet Stephen. And Saul had a letter of authority from the Pharisees on his way to Damascus to hunt down Christians and bring them back to Jerusalem in chains for trial. But Saul was not a 'tare' as we find out later, after Jesus struck him down and converted him. Saul was simply deceived at the time while among the Pharisees.

But of course anyone coming into the Church and teaching falseness and to draw disciples after them, that is to be rebuked and that one cast out of the Church.

 

[farouk]

can you define “weak”

can you define “strong” ?

@VictoryinJesus I guess the word can be used variously in a physical and spiritual sense, according to context.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus I guess the word can be used variously in a physical and spiritual sense, according to context.

definitely which confuses me...
I'm not suggesting it is not good to tend to the elderly or the physically ill (which sometimes in God are stronger within; more than without.)
but harder I think is to tend to those who reject, mock, hurt and oppose at every turn… I mean for example Christ having died while we were yet in our sins and without strength. that those weak be made strong. yes, how to define "weakness" and 'strength". I am struggling with these meanings in my life right now of "what should I peruse?" up against everyday that strength is fully functional "physically strong" and put together thriving where I feel like I'm constantly getting my teeth kicked out.

 

[farouk]

definitely which confuses me...
I'm not suggesting it is not good to tend to the elderly or the physically ill (which sometimes in God are stronger within; more than without.)
but harder I think is to tend to those who reject, mock, hurt and oppose at every turn… I mean for example Christ having died while we were yet in our sins and without strength. that those weak be made strong. yes, how to define "weakness" and 'strength". I am struggling with these meanings in my life right now of "what should I peruse?" up against everyday that strength is fully functional "physically strong" and put together thriving where I feel like I'm constantly getting my teeth kicked out.

@VictoryinJesus Some patients can be difficult, indeed....

It's easy to quote the word 'patience' from the New Testament, but the real challenge is by faith to practise it, day by day........

 

[VictoryinJesus]

@VictoryinJesus Some patients can be difficult, indeed....

It's easy to quote the word 'patience' from the New Testament, but the real challenge is by faith to practise it, day by day........

“Patients” can be difficult.
I don’t work in health care.
That is the question…who are the patients?
Luke 5:31 And Jesus replied to them, "It is not those who are healthy who need a physician, but [only] those who are sick.

 

[robert derrick]

you keep saying he said this to the slothful minister…to not bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat … “The reason Jesus told the slothful minister not to bother trying to weed out the tares from the wheat, is because he wasn't doing what was necessary to prevent their rising up in the local church in the first place”

then in other post again referring to his telling this to the slothful servant? As if that is key. Slothful=he wasn’t doing what was necessary to prevent their using up in the local church in the first place.
Can you quote the verse where he said this to the slothful minister…don’t bother trying to weed the tares from the wheat?

But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Asleep on the job. Not wakeful. Not diligent. No preaching the whole counsel of God.

He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

The Lord was speaking to the sleepers specifically, not to all ministers and churches. Not all churches have tares growing plainly in their midst.

If we preach against both edges of the sword, unrighteousness and self-righteousness, then those out of bounds will vacate for more comfortable surroundings.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

But while men slept, his enemy came and sowed tares among the wheat, and went his way.

Asleep on the job. Not wakeful. Not diligent. No preaching the whole counsel of God.

He said unto them, An enemy hath done this. The servants said unto him, Wilt thou then that we go and gather them up? But he said, Nay; lest while ye gather up the tares, ye root up also the wheat with them.

The Lord was speaking to the sleepers specifically, not to all ministers and churches. Not all churches have tares growing plainly in their midst.

If we preach against both edges of the sword, unrighteousness and self-righteousness, then those out of bounds will vacate for more comfortable surroundings.

sorry realizing this has nothing to do with the above except for the mention good seed. It is so blunt though…I had never read it before.
Jeremiah 2:21-27 Judah, I planted you like a special vine. You were all from good seed. How did you turn into a different vine that grows bad fruit? [22] Even if you wash yourself with lye, even if you use much soap, I can still see your guilt." This message is from the Lord GOD. [23] "Judah, how can you say to me, 'I am not guilty because I have not worshiped the Baal idols'? Think about what you did in the valley. Think about what you have done. You are like a fast she-camel that runs from place to place. [24] You are like a wild donkey that lives in the desert. At mating time, she sniffs the wind. No one can control her when she is in heat. At mating time, every male that wants her will get her. She is easy to find. [25] Judah, stop chasing after idols! Stop wanting those other gods. But you say, 'It is no use! I cannot stop! I love those other gods. I can't stop chasing them.' [26] "A thief is ashamed when people catch him stealing. The people of Israel should be ashamed too and so should their kings and leaders, priests and prophets. [27] They say to pieces of wood, 'You are my father.' They say to a rock, 'You gave birth to me.' All these people will be ashamed. They don't look to me for help. They have turned their backs to me. But when the people of Judah get into trouble, they say to me, 'Come and save us!'

 

[robert derrick]

sorry realizing this has nothing to do with the above except for the mention good seed. It is so blunt though…I had never read it before.
Jeremiah 2:21-27 Judah, I planted you like a special vine. You were all from good seed. How did you turn into a different vine that grows bad fruit? [22] Even if you wash yourself with lye, even if you use much soap, I can still see your guilt." This message is from the Lord GOD. [23] "Judah, how can you say to me, 'I am not guilty because I have not worshiped the Baal idols'? Think about what you did in the valley. Think about what you have done. You are like a fast she-camel that runs from place to place. [24] You are like a wild donkey that lives in the desert. At mating time, she sniffs the wind. No one can control her when she is in heat. At mating time, every male that wants her will get her. She is easy to find. [25] Judah, stop chasing after idols! Stop wanting those other gods. But you say, 'It is no use! I cannot stop! I love those other gods. I can't stop chasing them.' [26] "A thief is ashamed when people catch him stealing. The people of Israel should be ashamed too and so should their kings and leaders, priests and prophets. [27] They say to pieces of wood, 'You are my father.' They say to a rock, 'You gave birth to me.' All these people will be ashamed. They don't look to me for help. They have turned their backs to me. But when the people of Judah get into trouble, they say to me, 'Come and save us!'

Actually it does.

Who says the tares were never wheat at one time? From Lucifer, to Adam, to King Saul, to Judas, to Demas...

It's simple: like any faithful following, if the leader neglects one area, so will they, and if the leader overburdens in one area, so will they.

The chosen few will refuse the leader and the faithful followers, for their own souls' sake.

 

[VictoryinJesus]

You are like a wild donkey that lives in the desert. At mating time, she sniffs the wind. No one can control her when she is in heat. At mating time, every male that wants her will get her. She is easy to find. [25] Judah, stop chasing after idols! Stop wanting those other gods. But you say, 'It is no use! I cannot stop! I love those other gods. I can't stop chasing them.'

This above, I considered as blunt.
But this below seems just as blunt:
James 3:5-18 For every wild animal on earth including birds, creeping reptiles, and creatures of the sea and land have all been overpowered and tamed by humans, [8] but the tongue is not able to be tamed. It's a fickle, unrestrained evil that spews out words full of toxic poison! [9] We use our tongue to praise God our Father and then turn around and curse a person who was made in his very image! [10] Out of the same mouth we pour out words of praise one minute and curses the next. My brothers and sister, this should never be! [11-12] Would you look for olives hanging on a fig tree or go to pick figs from a grapevine? Is it possible that fresh and bitter water can flow out of the same spring? So neither can a bitter spring produce fresh water. [13] If you consider yourself to be wise and one who understands the ways of God, advertise it with a beautiful, fruitful life guided by wisdom's gentleness. Never brag or boast about what you've done and you'll prove that you're truly wise. [14] But if there is bitter jealousy or competition hiding in your heart, then don't deny it and try to compensate for it by boasting and being phony. [15] For that has nothing to do with God's heavenly wisdom but can best be described as the wisdom of this world, both selfish and devilish. [16] So wherever jealousy and selfishness are uncovered, you will also find many troubles and every kind of meanness. [17] But the wisdom from above is always pure, filled with peace, considerate and teachable. It is filled with love and never displays prejudice or hypocrisy in any form [18] and it always bears the beautiful harvest of righteousness! Good seeds of wisdom's (the) fruit (of the Holy Spirit) will be planted with peaceful acts by those who cherish making peace.

especially ‘But if there is bitter jealousy or competition hiding in your heart, then don't deny it and try to compensate for it by boasting and being phony.’
Just as Straightforward and as blunt (Imo)as ‘You are like a wild donkey (makes me think of the untamed tongue, unrestrained evil, setting on fire) that lives in the desert. At mating time, she sniffs the wind. No one can control her when she is in heat. At mating time, every male that wants her will get her. She is easy to find. [25] Judah, stop chasing after idols! Stop wanting those other gods. But you say, 'It is no use! I cannot stop! I love those other gods. I can't stop chasing them.' Galatians 6:6-10

‘I can’t stop chasing them’ to do what?