Amillennialism, What it is DESIGNED by the Devil To PRODUCE
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David in NJ
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Spiritual Israelite
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Your questions were not difficult and, yet, he couldn't answer even one of them. That says it all about his doctrine.
Spiritual Israelite
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You have not given me or anyone here any reason to take you seriously. Scripture never makes a connection between Adam's age and some imaginary future earthly kingdom. You have no clear scripture to support your doctrine, so you have to resort to complete nonsense to support it. Everyone can see that.
David in NJ
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Unbelief speaks again......
How about showing from the scriptures that the 1,000 years are purely spiritual and NOT literal
Spiritual Israelite
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I've already done that many times and you ignore it every time. Since nothing I've shown you before has convinced you, maybe this will convince you...
Genesis 5:27 Altogether, Methuselah lived a total of 969 years, and then he died.
Mehuselah lived almost 1,000 years, but not literally 1,000 years, so that means the 1,000 years are figurative and not literal. Just trust me on this. Pray that God will show it to you.
David in NJ
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This type of thinking is what diverts you away from the words of Christ.
Adam and Methuselah could NEVER attain unto the 1,000 literal years because of SIN.
God will not allow the contamination of sin into His House = all have sinned and therefore all die
Hebrews 9:27
Therefore it was necessary that the copies of the things in the heavens should be purified with these, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has not entered the holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us; 25not that He should offer Himself often, as the high priest enters the Most Holy Place every year with blood of another— 26He then would have had to suffer often since the foundation of the world; but now, once at the end of the ages, He has appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of Himself.
27And as it is appointed for men to die once, but after this the judgment,
28so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
Adam living 930 literal years has absolutely nothing to do with some imaginary fanciful future millennium. This is you gerrymandering the Bible to support your speculation. You have no corroboration for your theories.
But your imaginary future millennium is overrun by billions of sinful wicked - as the sand of the sea. So what is your point?
jeffweeder
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We all have the scriptures, but not all have the proper discernment.
Big problems arise when we misunderstand those words.
Ps 119
How sweet are Your words to my taste,
Sweeter than honey to my mouth!
104
From Your precepts I get understanding;
Therefore I hate every false way.
105
Your word is a lamp to my feet
And a light to my path.
Jesus own word lights our way when it comes to understanding his coming and the end of the age.
31 “But when the Son of Man comes in His glory and majesty and all the angels with Him, then He will sit on the throne of His glory. 32 All the nations will be gathered before Him [for judgment]; and He will separate them from one another, as a shepherd separates his sheep from the goats; 33 and He will put the sheep on His right [the place of honor], and the goats on His left [the place of rejection].
34 “Then the King will say to those on His right, ‘Come, you blessed of My Father [you favored of God, appointed to eternal salvation], inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world.
That means this creation is completely restored at the Lords coming. sinless/ deathless.
Final judgment has been given.
41 “Then He will say to those on His left, ‘Leave Me, you cursed ones, into the eternal fire which has been prepared for the devil and his angels (demons);
Do you believe him?....................................................No buts.
Lets look at how the Lord comforts us after Final judgment
21 Then I saw a new heaven and a new earth; for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away (vanished), and there is no longer any sea. 2 And I saw the holy city, new Jerusalem, coming down out of heaven from God, arrayed like a bride adorned for her husband; 3 and then I heard a loud voice from the throne, saying, “See! The tabernacle of God is among men, and He will live among them, and they will be His people, and God Himself will be with them [as their God,] 4 and He will wipe away every tear from their eyes; and there will no longer be death; there will no longer be sorrow and anguish, or crying, or pain; for the former order of things has passed away.”
Lk 21
33 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away.
34 “But be on guard, so that your hearts are not weighed down and depressed with the giddiness of debauchery and the nausea of self-indulgence and the worldly worries of life, and then that day [when the Messiah returns] will not come on you suddenly like a trap; 35 for it will come upon all those who live on the face of all the earth. 36 But keep alert at all times [be attentive and ready], praying that you may have the strength and ability [to be found worthy and] to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand in the presence of the Son of Man [at His coming].”
Believing him is how I became Amill....of course.
Why listen to anyone else?
David in NJ
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All Good Brother = AMEN on the Scriptures you posted
Never forget that Revelation chapter 20 must be fulfilled BEFORE Revelation chapter 21
New Heaven and the New Earth is created AFTER the literal 1,000 Year Reign of Christ
1Then I saw an angel coming down from heaven with the key to the Abyss, holding in his hand a great chain. 2He seized the dragon, that ancient serpent who is the devil and Satan, and bound him for a thousand years. 3And he threw him into the Abyss, shut it, and sealed it over him, so that he could not deceive the nations until the thousand years were complete. After that, he must be released for a brief period of time.
4Then I saw the thrones, and those seated on them had been given authority to judge. And I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their testimony of Jesus and for the word of God, and those who had not worshiped the beast or its image and had not received its mark on their foreheads or hands. And they came to life and reigned with Christ for a thousand years.
5The rest of the dead did not come back to life until the thousand years were complete. This is the first resurrection. 6Blessed and holy are those who share in the first resurrection! The second death has no power over them, but they will be priests of God and of Christ and will reign with Him for a thousand years.
When the thousand years are complete, Satan will be released from his prison, 8and will go out to deceive the nations in the four corners of the earth—Gog and Magog—to assemble them for battle. Their number is like the sand of the seashore.
9And they marched across the broad expanse of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. But fire came down from heavena and consumed them. 10And the devil who had deceived them was thrown into the lake of fire and sulfur, into which the beast and the false prophet had already been thrown. There they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
11Then I saw a great white throne and the One seated on it. Earth and heaven fled from His presence, and no place was found for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne.
And books were opened, and one of them was the Book of Life. And the dead were judged according to their deeds, as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up its dead, and Death and Hades gave up their dead, and each one was judged according to his deeds.
14Then Death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. This is the second death—the lake of fire. 15And if anyone was found whose name was not written in the Book of Life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
David in NJ
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BELIEVE His words = Rev chapter 20 BEFORE chapter 21
a.) satan locked up for 1,000 years
b.) First Resurrection = 1 Corinthians chapter 15
c.) Rule and reign with Christ for 1,000 years
d.) satan loosed
e.) FINAL JUDGMENT upon satan
f.) FINAL JUDGMENT upon the unsaved/un-redeemed
God creates the New Earth for New Jerusalem to come down and Rest Upon
Big problems arise when we misunderstand these words of Christ
Believing Christ is how I received the Spirit of Truth
Why listen to anyone else?
My love goes out to you @jeffweeder in Truth and the Holy Spirit
David in NJ
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So why do premillennialists describe the millennium as the new heavens and new earth?
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David in NJ
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These billions meant in Revelation 20:8, what is their status during the millennium per your view? Are they being deceived during the millennium, or does your view actually agree with John? That none of these in verse 8 are being deceived until satan is loosed from the pit.
Revelation 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
Plain ole' common sense says, if these are seen alive after the millennium, this means they are alive during the millennium. Obviously, they can't be meaning the rest of the dead in that case. The rest of the dead don't live again until the thousand years expire. These in verse 8 are never among the rest of the dead to begin with if they are among the living in verse 8, which means they are alive, not dead, during the millennium, obviously.
I already know what these in verse 8 do after the millennium. What I want to know is what they are doing during your millennium, billions of them? Are they being deceived during your millennium? Or are they among the saved during your millennium, thus not being deceived during the millennium? Per Amil,in regards to these billions meant in verse 8, apparently there is zero difference between during the millennium and after the millennium, if these billions are being deceived during both eras of time.
That's Amil for you in a nutshell. There is no difference between satan being bound and satan being loosed. There is no difference between during the millennium and after the millenium. These meant in verse 8 are being deceived during both. Per Amil John is basically a liar in Revelation 20 since he indicates no nations can be deceived during the thousand years, and that no nations can once again be deceived until satan is loosed from his prison first.
The Amil view contradicts all of that. It doesn't matter what Amil believes or doesn't believe. What matters is, what John said and what John meant. That's what we have to go by. John said that satan is bound a thousand years so that the nations can no longer be deceived. But not indefinately since he also said, after that satan must be loosed a little season. And we plainly know why once we read verses 7-9. It is so that he can once again do what he was doing before the thousand years, that he is unable to do during the thousand years, that being, deceiving the nations again. But Amils would have us believe that truth isn't based on truth, it is based on contradictions. The more contradictions involved, the more true it is.
I'm trying to use some common sense here. But are Amils as well? I don't see how if they think that it is reasonable that contradictions equal the truth.
David in NJ
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Just now read it - thank you
Well it says He will create a New Heaven and a New Earth but it does not say when in Isaiah 65
Let's keep this in our hearts/minds = 1 Peter 1:1
Searching what, or what manner of time the Spirit of Christ which was in them did signify, when it testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ, and the glory that should follow.
The Spirit of Christ was upon Isaiah to prophesy = Isa ch65 = and it is Christ and Revelation that solidified the 'When'
LOL. Please do not lecture us about common sense. This is all noise.
If you can see no change in the spiritual condition of "the nations" (ethnos) before the cross and after the cross then you are actually the one that is deceived. Revelation 20 shows the defeat of Satan (2000 ago) and his spiritual restraint that facilitated the enlightenment of the Gentiles through the great commission. They are now without excuse.
- During the Old Testament era, God controlled one single nation, whereas Satan controlled the nations (ethnos - the Gentiles) plural. The Gentiles were overwhelming lost, blind, bound by chains of sin, sitting in darkness, ignorant of the truth, and without hope.
- God promised to enlighten the Gentile nations with His truth and remove the former deception that hung over the Gentiles as a general group through the preaching of the glorious Gospel of Christ.
- The darkness that once enveloped the Gentiles has now been lifted. A light has been shining bright for 2000 years.
- Scripture repeatedly contrasts the wholesale darkness that cloaked the Gentiles in the Old Testament to the widespread evangelism of the New Testament era which saw the Gospel invade all nations and set countless millions free.
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I agree. We are in a Revelation 20 now. When Jesus comes He will introduce the new having a new earth. Let Scripture interpret Scripture. It shows us that there are only two ages: this age and the age to come, time and eternity.
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