Why the FLESH is against the SPIRIT.

[Behold]

Let's see. You are obviously not shy about contradicting yourself. "you are trying to prove that God is selfish about Love., and I responded to your post" vs. "It's true that God is Jealous.,

No contradictions previously stated or implied.
You are filtering what i said through your idea that God is selfish, regarding love.

Look,
God is love, and God is a Jealous God.

But that is a Godly Jealousy, not a carnal, selfish, human Jealousy.
Its different than yours.

Agape' Love Jealousy is not EROS human love jealousy.

God's love laid down His life for His enemies.
That is not selfish love, that is PURE love.

God saved us when we were "UNGODLY">...having no love for God.
So, that is God's love, proven by that CROSS.

 

[DanielConway]

Look, when God uses a simile (not a metaphor, which implies an element of symbolism) for his jealousy for an unfaithful Israel he positions himself almost literally as a cuckolded husband. It don't get much more carnal than that, friend. In fact the only aspect of God's JEALOUS love for his chosen that is implied by EROS but is not part of God's love for his church is the actual act of copulation. I am going to be blunt, I am reading into your division of Agape love from Eros love, BOTH of which are PURE and God honoring, an unspoken distaste for human sexuality. When Paul described the responsibilities of a Godly husband for his wife, he included seeing to her physical needs, EROS, along with the possibility of sacrificing his life for her if the situation demanded it. He then maps this love, which he acknowledges is a mystery, back onto the love of Christ for his bride, the Church. ALL of it. It is a terrible mistake to deny our need for physical love, which the members of the Church generally get from each other, for the sake of pursuing some sort of perfect purified strictly spiritual love, which is the original impulse behind gnosticism.

 

[Behold]

Look, when God uses a simile (not a metaphor, which implies an element of symbolism) for his jealousy for an unfaithful Israel he positions himself almost literally as a cuckolded husband. .

It is you that has defined God, in the negative, by misrepresenting verses.

And you have this idea that God's love, can't fulfill a human heart, infinitely more then human companionship.
So, that proves that you dont know anything about God's Love, as if you experienced it for yourself, you would not be teaching such nonsense on a public Christian forum, Daniel.

 

[DanielConway]

Nothing there worth responding to.

 

[Behold]

Nothing there worth responding to.

Being quiet is the best thing you offered today.
Please continue.

 

[07-07-07]

The Apostle Paul and Peter delve nicely into this subject matter, as it's extremely important to the maintenance our Salvation. Yes, Salvation must be maintained. A negligent and slothful believer will surely fall from Grace and lose their Salvation. I am not saying that it cannot be recaptured, for our God is merciful. King David, as an example, was able to recapture his Salvation, but how many never get it back? Whatever spiritual state you die in, determines your eternity in Heaven or Hell. Will you die in Grace or fallen from Grace? Death can seize at any time, so we must be vigilant to maintain our spiritual garments so as not to defile them. Consistent prayer, fasting and living in the Word of God will keep a believer's garments white as snow.

Galatians 5
16 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh.
17 For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would.

24 And they that are Christ's have crucified the flesh with the affections and lusts.
25 If we live in the Spirit, let us also walk in the Spirit.

Romans 8
1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.

13 For if ye live after the flesh, ye shall die: but if ye through the Spirit do mortify the deeds of the body, ye shall live.


1 Peter 2
11 Dearly beloved, I beseech you as strangers and pilgrims, abstain from fleshly lusts, which war against the soul;

1 Peter 4
1 Forasmuch then as Christ hath suffered for us in the flesh, arm yourselves likewise with the same mind: for he that hath suffered in the flesh hath ceased from sin;
2 That he no longer should live the rest of his time in the flesh to the lusts of men, but to the will of God.
3 For the time past of our life may suffice us to have wrought the will of the Gentiles, when we walked in lasciviousness, lusts, excess of wine, revellings, banquetings, and abominable idolatries:
4 Wherein they think it strange that ye run not with them to the same excess of riot, speaking evil of you:
5 Who shall give account to him that is ready to judge the quick and the dead.

 

[Behold]

A negligent and slothful believer will surely fall from Grace and lose their Salvation.

Thats a lie.

"falling from Grace" is not losing salvation. It means that the faith of the Believer is now wrong.....its lost its understanding and this person is what Paul describes as "Bewitched"....>"in the Flesh".
They have stopped Trusting In Christ Alone to Get them to HEAVEN, and now they are trying to do it, by lifestyle, law, works, or water">

Let me show you something, reader.

When you came to God, you had a lifetime of SIN.......and God took you, and saved you, "yet a sinner" "ungodly".
So, do you think that if you are lazy, or or have a faith Crisis, later, after God saved you ALREADY as a LIFETIME SINNER< ....that you are no longer saved if you are not a good little boy or girl today, or yesterday?

You have to Think, or a DECEIVER will have you trying to SAVE YOURSELF, instead of Trusting in the SAVIOR alone to get you to Heaven.

 

[07-07-07]

Thats a lie.

"falling from Grace" is not losing salvation. It means that the faith of the Believer is now wrong.....its lost its understanding and this person is what Paul describes as "Bewitched"....>"in the Flesh".
They have stopped Trusting In Christ Alone to Get them to HEAVEN, and now they are trying to do it, by lifestyle, law, works, or water">

Let me show you something, reader.

When you came to God, you had a lifetime of SIN.......and God took you, and saved you, "yet a sinner" "ungodly".
So, do you think that if you are lazy, or or have a faith Crisis, later, after God saved you ALREADY as a LIFETIME SINNER< ....that you are no longer saved if you are not a good little boy or girl today, or yesterday?

You have to Think, or a DECEIVER will have you trying to SAVE YOURSELF, instead of Trusting in the SAVIOR alone to get you to Heaven.

Friend, nothing defiled will enter God's Kingdom. No whoremonger, adulterer, sodomite, thief, blasphemer, drunkard, sorcerer, liar, ect... will enter the Kingdom of God. Anyone saved by grace who falls back into any of the these behaviors, and many more, has to repent and have their garments made white by the blood of the Lamb again. If not, they will die in their sin and go to Hell. So, what defiles a person? Jesus tell us.

Mark 7
20 And he [Jesus] said, That which cometh out of the man, that defileth the man.
21 For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,
22 Thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lasciviousness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness:
23 All these evil things come from within, and defile the man.

 

[Behold]

Friend, nothing defiled will enter God's Kingdom.

Nothing made clean by the Blood of Jesus, is defiled.
That is all the born again.

The born again, are already in the Kingdom of God.

You noticed that God and Jesus are in the Kingdom of God?
And all the born again are "seated in Heavenly places" In Christ"

All the born again are "one with GOD"...."in Christ".
Where are they?

The born again are "Translated from Darkness......To LIGHT".

That "Light is", the KOG.

"God exists.... IN LIGHT">...

"Jesus is the LIGHT of the World" and the born again are "Children of the Light".


Jesus said..>"The Kingdom of God, is within you".....and He should Know as He is the KOG.....and the born again are "In Christ"..


Notice....

"God is A Spirit"..........and the KOG is Spiritual. All the born again are born again Spiritually, and exist "in Christ', and "One with God".

"all are one".
"one body Of Christ"...... in the KOG.

 

[07-07-07]

Nothing made clean by the Blood of Jesus, is defiled.
That is all the born again.

Jesus says otherwise.

Revelation 3
1 And unto the angel of the church in Sardis write; These things saith he [Jesus] that hath the seven Spirits of God, and the seven stars; I know thy works, that thou hast a name that thou livest, and art dead.
2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.
5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment; and I will not blot out his name out of the book of life, but I will confess his name before my Father, and before his angels.
6 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Jesus is telling this Church that many have defiled their garments, while a few have not.