Why The Pre Trib Rapture Is God's Judgment On His House First

[JesusIsFaithful]

Jesus had taught excommunication and that was following His promise to get those astray. Matthew 18:10-17

Paul taught excommunication as something to hold fellowship like a feast and not even to eat with those unrepentant for going astray. 1 Corinthians 5th chapter.

Since God is coming to judge His House first, 1 Peter 4:17-19, it stands to reason why the pre tribulational rapture will come in dealing with the falling away from the faith by receiving those abiding in Him & His words as His disciples to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb as no saved believer with any unrepentance will be eating there.

I believe there are plenty of scripture that refer to Jesus taking His disciples to where He is in His Father's mansion which is in Heaven as being before the great tribulation.

John 15:1-9 with verse six as to why some saved believers will be left behind for not trusting Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd for abiding in Him & His words as His disciples to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb.

This casting away is mentioned again for saved believers not preparing themselves to face the coming fire on the earth: Luke 12:40-49

Paul warned of this in running the race in 1 Corinthians 9:24-27 with Hebrews 12:1-29.

Jesus even warned how believers can be overcharged for the cares of this life that as a snare they will not want to leave it; Luke 21:34-36 He spoke of a parable of the King's Supper where believers invited were excusing themselves for everyday care; Luke 14:15-24 Jesus went on to expound to the multitude the cost of discipleship is to be ready to leave this life and their loved ones; Luke 14:25-35

So every warning Jesus has given for readiness is towards the saved believers to look to Him for help to abide in Him as His disciples before the Bridegroom comes because the time of the rapture is not descriptive as happening during the great tribulation where the saints cannot buy nor sell because of the lack of the mark of the beast.

Luke 17:26 And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man. 27 They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all. 28 Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded; 29 But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all. 30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed. 31 In that day, he which shall be upon the housetop, and his stuff in the house, let him not come down to take it away: and he that is in the field, let him likewise not return back. 32 Remember Lot's wife. 33 Whosoever shall seek to save his life shall lose it; and whosoever shall lose his life shall preserve it. 34 I tell you, in that night there shall be two men in one bed; the one shall be taken, and the other shall be left. 35 Two women shall be grinding together; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 36 Two men shall be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 37 And they answered and said unto him, Where, Lord? And he said unto them, Wheresoever the body is, thither will the eagles be gathered together.

The irony of the Greek texts regarding verse 38 is that they will be taken away wind like flight and received with hospitality to entertain.

http://www.sacrednamebible.com/kjvstrongs/B42C017.htm

Those few modern versions that imply those taken away will be destroyed should remember the previous verses where those left behind were destroyed in order to know that the KJV has the closest, best, & correct translation.

Revelations 2nd chapter has the church of Thyatira threatened with being cast into the great tribulation unless they repent whereas in Revelations 3rd chapter the church at Phildelphia was given apormise to be kept from the hour of trial that shall try all upon the earth which is the refusal of the mark of the beast in order to survive and thus die from because of it.

So there is a need to trust Jesus Christ as our Good Shepherd more than ever now because we need Him to help us to discern and know His words as kept in the KJV to abide in Him & His words to be found ready as His disciples before the Bridegroom comes. This is why the voice of the bride & Bridegroom will not be heard in fallen Babylon any more because that door is shut forever in seeking that first inheritance of being a vessel unto honour in His House by His grace & by His help by faith in the Son of God for us..

 

[Angelina]

I do not believe in the Pre_Trib Rapture although one or two members here may do... :huh:

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I do not believe in the Pre_Trib Rapture although one or two members here may do... :huh:

Well, Jesus said to be always ready by looking to Him, the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight & sin in running that race for the high prize of our calling to attend the Marriage Supper of the Lamb in His honour as a vessel unto honour in His House.

Those that do not believe in the rapture, surely death can strike at any moment that would call a saved believer to trust Jesus Christ as their Good Shepherd for the help and intervention they need to understand and abide in His words as kept in the KJV in living as His disciples now on earth as we can only live this reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ; as in by faith in the Son of God.

The appearing of the Bridegroom for the ready bride of Christ is not the same event as the coming of the King of kings for war.

 

[ATP]

I do not believe in the Pre_Trib Rapture although..

Me neither. 2 Thess 2:1-4 NIV Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

 

[Angelina]

Amen bro...we do agree on some things! ^_^ Yay!!!

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Me neither. 2 Thess 2:1-4 NIV Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

Let's consider that Paul is talking about two events and that it is not going to happen at the same time. Indeed, if we read on in the KJV, we will find what that falling away from the faith is as he testifies that this iniquity is already at work even then.

2 Thessalonians 2:1Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him, 2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand. 3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

I see that this falling away will happen first before the event that the man of sin be revealed.

4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God. 5 Remember ye not, that, when I was yet with you, I told you these things? 6 And now ye know what withholdeth that he might be revealed in his time. 7 For the mystery of iniquity doth already work: only he who now letteth will let, until he be taken out of the way.

This falling away from the faith was happening even then which is why the man of sin being revealed will happen at another time..

8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

And so Paul goes into the cause of the falling away from the faith.

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. 11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: 12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

This is applying to all of those "movements of the 'Spirit' " where believers think they can receive the Holy Spirit again after a sign.. even the sign of tongues which comes with no interpretation which is not of Him.

Paul counters by reproving this cause of the falling away from the faith by reminding believers when they had received the sanctifiation of the Spirit & the belief of the truth by the hearing of the gospel.

13 But we are bound to give thanks alway to God for you, brethren beloved of the Lord, because God hath from the beginning chosen you to salvation through sanctification of the Spirit and belief of the truth: 14 Whereunto he called you by our gospel, to the obtaining of the glory of our Lord Jesus Christ. 15 Therefore, brethren, stand fast, and hold the traditions which ye have been taught, whether by word, or our epistle.

So this is why God is coming to judge His House first at the pre trib rapture event BEFORE He comes as king of kings to deal with Satan and his armies at the end of the great tribulation.

If anyone considers Revelations use of the first resurrection, it was not saying that was the first and only resurrection when in context, it was saying this was the resurrection that happened first as opposing the rest of the dead that shall be resurrected later on in context.

Revelations 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

It takes His wisdom to see the meaning of His words in how certain wordings are used to differentiate events from one another. As it is God is coming to judge His House first at the pre trib rapture event which explains the paradox of Him returning with the raptured saints to deal with Satan and his armies BEFORE He resurrected the saints as descibed as those coming out of the great tribulation after the defeat of Satan and his armies.

Zechariah 14:1Behold, the day of the Lord cometh, and thy spoil shall be divided in the midst of thee. 2 For I will gather all nations against Jerusalem to battle; and the city shall be taken, and the houses rifled, and the women ravished; and half of the city shall go forth into captivity, and the residue of the people shall not be cut off from the city. 3 Then shall the Lord go forth, and fight against those nations, as when he fought in the day of battle. 4 And his feet shall stand in that day upon the mount of Olives, which is before Jerusalem on the east, and the mount of Olives shall cleave in the midst thereof toward the east and toward the west, and there shall be a very great valley; and half of the mountain shall remove toward the north, and half of it toward the south. 5 And ye shall flee to the valley of the mountains; for the valley of the mountains shall reach unto Azal: yea, ye shall flee, like as ye fled from before the earthquake in the days of Uzziah king of Judah: and the Lord my God shall come, and all the saints with thee.

Revelations 20:And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand. 2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years, 3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season. 4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. 6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

 

[ATP]

So this is why God is coming to judge His House first at the pre trib rapture event BEFORE He comes as king of kings to deal with Satan and his armies at the end of the great tribulation.

Scripture screams out with a bloody bull horn, "you are going to go through tribulation first!". There is no way around this. One of the main scriptures is (Matt 24:29 ESV “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.) Pre-trib rapture gives you the illusion that a Messiah is coming any day. So instead of awaiting tribulation you are looking for a Messiah in places that you shouldn't, and the "Messiah" that will take its place is Satan...(2 Thess 2:4 NIV He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.)


1. Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him. Being gathered to him describes rapture.
2. But this event will not happen until the man of lawlessness is revealed.

2 Thess 2:1-4 NIV Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers and sisters, 2not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by the teaching allegedly from us—whether by a prophecy or by word of mouth or by letter—asserting that the day of the Lord has already come. 3Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

In 1 Thess 4:14-17 NIV, the first resurrection will happen first, THEN rapture. But we will not be gathered to him UNTIL the Antichrist is revealed 2 Thess 2:1-4 NIV. When the Antichrist is revealed, scripture is clear that we are well into the Seven Year Great Tribulation.

1 Thess 4:14-17 NIV For we believe that Jesus died and rose again, and so we believe that God will bring with Jesus those who have fallen asleep in him. 15According to the Lord’s word, we tell you that we who are still alive, who are left until the coming of the Lord, will certainly not precede those who have fallen asleep. 16For the Lord himself will come down from heaven, with a loud command, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet call of God, and the dead in Christ will rise first. 17After that, we who are still alive and are left will be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And so we will be with the Lord forever.

- ATP

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Scripture screams out with a bloody bull horn, "you are going to go through tribulation first!". There is no way around this. One of the main scriptures is (Matt 24:29 ESV “Immediately after the tribulation of those days the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light, and the stars will fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens will be shaken.)

- ATP

There is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation.

When reading Matthew 24th chapter, Jesus is answering 3 questions put to Him by His disciples and they are not necessarily being answered in order so keep that in mind for discernment.

Matthew 24:15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand:) 16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains: 17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of his house: 18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes. 19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in those days! 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath day: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be. 22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.

I am reading this to mean that because of the time of the great tribulation, the days of the elect shall be shortened to not see it. Then Jesus goes back to the signs before the great tribulation so that the elect will know when their days shall be shortened by rapture..

Matthew 24:23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe it not. 24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall deceive the very elect. 25 Behold, I have told you before. 26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not. 27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered together.

Now I am reading this passage above as happening before the great tribulation because this applies to the falling away from the faith that is happening NOW in all of these movements of the "Spirit" where they say the Spirit of Christ is here or there moving in that worship place as opposed to Him dwelling within us as explained in 1 John 4:1-6 in testing the spirits in according to our faith in Christ: 2 Cor. 13:5. This is the typical tribulation that is going on now BEFORE the great tribulation comes as the falling away from the faith is that typical tribulation being referred to below as we continue reading the words of Jesus.

29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken: 30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory. 31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.

Jesus once again reconfirm His answer in giving the signs that will let the elect know when the rapture is near BEFORE the great tribulation.

32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh: 33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors. 34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled. 35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away. 36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven, but my Father only. 37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark, 39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. 40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left. 41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.

Now think about that. Will a believer be in the field working or grinding in the mill during the great tribulation? No.

42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come. 43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up. 44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Once again, I see the warning against falling in these movements of the "Spirit" as believers open themselves up to believing that they are receiving the Holy Spirit again after a sign; even this "another baptism with the Holy Ghost with evidence of tongues" is apsotasy. We are living in that tribulation now then He will come before the great tribulation as the Bridegroom receiving the ready abiding bride of Christ to the Marriage Supper.


With that man of sin revealed, do you really think a christian needs to be warned about not going to places where they say Christ is? They would be too busy running for their lives to even be working in a field or grinding at the mill under the mark of the beast system.

 

[ATP]

There is tribulation and then there is the great tribulation.

I definitely agree with this.
I do agree the tribulation is the first 3.5 years and the Great Tribulation is the last 3.5 years.
The first 3.5 represent the seals, and the last 3.5 represent God's wrath of trumpets and bowls.
But the first resurrection comes before the rapture,
and the first resurrection does not precede the start of the seven year trib,
there is no scripture that confirms that.

 

[Wormwood]

I think the tribulation has been going on since the church began. John said he was a partaker of the tribulation.

“I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” (Revelation 1:9, ESV)

Christians being dipped in tar to be used as torches and fed to wild beasts sure sounds like tribulation to me. Also, I think we don't have to look any further than ISIS and the Christians being beheaded to see the tribulation going on still today.

 

[ATP]

I think the tribulation has been going on since the church began. John said he was a partaker of the tribulation.

“I, John, your brother and partner in the tribulation and the kingdom and the patient endurance that are in Jesus, was on the island called Patmos on account of the word of God and the testimony of Jesus.” (Revelation 1:9, ESV)

Christians being dipped in tar to be used as torches and fed to wild beasts sure sounds like tribulation to me. Also, I think we don't have to look any further than ISIS and the Christians being beheaded to see the tribulation going on still today.

This is true, but scripture has the Antichrist, then first resurrection and then rapture unraveling in the Seven Year Tribulation.

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

I definitely agree with this.
I do agree the tribulation is the first 3.5 years and the Great Tribulation is the last 3.5 years.
The first 3.5 represent the seals, and the last 3.5 represent God's wrath of trumpets and bowls.
But the first resurrection comes before the rapture,
and the first resurrection does not precede the start of the seven year trib,
there is no scripture that confirms that.

ATP

I editted this entire reply below to remove the bolden portion of my former entire post. I did not want to come across as angry or whatever. FYI. I just believe these are valid points for the continuation of the discussion, but if you prefer not to continue it, I understand, brother.

Explain how the hour and the day cannot be known of the Lord's return and yet the devil seems quite capable in having his armies ready for when He comes, and yet you have it all worked out for an approximate time of His return just by noting when the man of sin is revealed? Add 3 & 1/2 years and we all know approximately when He will literally return.

And then explain how the times described by Jesus for believers to be ready is NOT descriptive of the times during nor towards the end of the great tribulation?

Explain how the Bridegroom coming for the bride to receive for a time of celebration can be the same event as the coming of the King of kings for war?

 

[pom2014]

Honestly, it doesn't matter. None of us will be alive to see the coming.

So really its most important to give the good newsand help people.

 

[Wormwood]

ATP,

Where do you see that progression in Scripture?

 

[ATP]

Explain how the hour and the day cannot be known of the Lord's return and yet the devil seems quite capable in having his armies ready for when He comes, and yet you have it all worked out for an approximate time of His return just by noting when the man of sin is revealed? Add 3 & 1/2 years and we all know approximately when He will literally return.

And then explain how the times described by Jesus for believers to be ready is NOT descriptive of the times during nor towards the end of the great tribulation?

Explain how the Bridegroom coming for the bride to receive for a time of celebration can be the same event as the coming of the King of kings for war?

1 Thess 5:2 is not about believers being unaware, it's referring to unbelievers being unaware. I believe Matt 24:36 also works off of that. Scripture speaks about the world being deceived, but we are no longer of the world. I also did not state the time and day in my posts. (1 Thess 5:1-11 Now, brothers and sisters, about times and dates we do not need to write to you, 2for you know very well that the day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. 3While people are saying, “Peace and safety,” destruction will come on them suddenly, as labor pains on a pregnant woman, and they will not escape.4But you, brothers and sisters, are not in darkness so that this day should surprise you like a thief. 5You are all children of the light and children of the day. We do not belong to the night or to the darkness. 6So then, let us not be like others, who are asleep, but let us be awake and sober. 7For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk, get drunk at night. 8But since we belong to the day, let us be sober, putting on faith and love as a breastplate, and the hope of salvation as a helmet. 9For God did not appoint us to suffer wrath but to receive salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ. 10He died for us so that, whether we are awake or asleep, we may live together with him. 11Therefore encourage one another and build each other up, just as in fact you are doing.)

ATP,

Where do you see that progression in Scripture?

Before I respond, do you believe Rev 6 takes place inside the Seven Year Trib?

Honestly, it doesn't matter. None of us will be alive to see the coming.

So really its most important to give the good newsand help people.

It's fun to learn though. :)

 

[keras]

1 Thessalonians 5:1-2 About dates and times, my friends, there is no need for me to write to you, for you know perfectly well that the Day of the Lord will come like a thief in the night. Bible References: REB, NIV, KJV. Some verses condensed.

The Day that Paul is talking about here cannot be the same Day as he mentions in 1 Thess. 4:13-18, or later in 2 Thess. 1-8 where he says that the Day Jesus Returns will not come until the Anti-Christ is revealed and enthrones himself in the Temple. We read in Rev. 13:5 that the Anti-Christ is allowed to continue for 42 months, then Jesus will Return and chain him up for 1000 years. This time period is confirmed by Daniel 12:7 and again in Rev. 12:6 as 1260 days. [The three and a half year Great Tribulation]
Therefore those who are alive when the Anti-Christ declares himself to be God in the new Temple, can know exactly how long it will be before Jesus will Return. That glorious event should not be unexpected for them.
So what Day is Paul talking about in 1 Thess. 5:1:2? It is NOT the Return of Jesus on the Great Day of the Sovereign Lord, Rev. 16:14 and as described in Zechariah 14:3-5, Matthew 24:30, or Rev. 19:11-14, but it IS the terrible Day of the Lord’s vengeance and wrath – a Day that will come unexpectedly.
Isaiah 29:5-6 …suddenly, in an instant punishment will come from the Lord, with a great noise, storms, earthquakes and a devouring fire. Psalm 73:19, Jer. 4:20, Psalm 6:10
1 Thess.5:3 While they are saying: Peace and safety, then sudden destruction will come upon them and there will be no escape. Ezekiel 7:16, Romans 2:3
It seems that just before this terrible Day, there may be an agreement made between Iran and America, to limit their nuclear aspirations. The world will breathe a sigh of relief, but as we are told in Psalm 144:11…their every word is worthless, every oath is false. They will simply use that time of lessened vigilance to prepare their attack. The moment of attack is the trigger for the Lord to arise and instigate His judgement/punishment by fire, a massive CME sunstrike. Isa.30:26, 2 Peter 3:7
2 Thess. 1:8 In flaming fire, the Lord Jesus will mete out punishment to all those who refuse to acknowledge their Creator and do not obey Him. Hebrews 10:27
1 Thess. 5:4-9 But you, brothers, are not in darkness, that this Day should surprise you like a thief. You are all children of the light, we do not belong in the darkness. So then let us keep sober and alert, armed with the breastplate of faith and love, and with the hope of salvation as a helmet. God has not destined us to suffer His wrath, but for the full attainment of salvation through our Lord, Jesus Christ. Rev. 3:10

The punishment of the nations, the next prophesied event, the Sixth Seal - Rev 6:12-17, Isaiah 2:12-21, Jer. 23:19, Ezekiel 30:2-5, Zephaniah 3:8, 2 Peter 3:10 and many other vivid prophecies, that will literally be fulfilled on that Day of disaster for all the world. Everyone will be affected, Luke 21:35, and huge numbers of people will die. Isaiah 66:16, Jer. 9:22, Matthew 24:40. It will be God’s second ‘reset of civilization’, an event similar in scope to the flood in Noah’s day. At that time, only Noah knew what was going to happen, now only just a very few understand the truth, as Daniel 12:10 says. Mathew 24:37-39
We, who believe in God, trust Jesus for our salvation and rely on His protection, have the promise of 1 Thess. 5:9 that we will not suffer His wrath. Many prophesies say how the Lord will protect His people during His wrath against the wicked peoples. Isa. 43:2, Psalm 31:23-24, Jer. 17:7-8, Daniel 12:1

 

[JesusIsFaithful]

Honestly, it doesn't matter. None of us will be alive to see the coming.

So really its most important to give the good newsand help people.

Sorry for the all boldened reply to ATP. I did not mean to come across angry or anything but just stressing valid points. I had editted it to remove the all bold post.

The belief that all believers will be raptured before the great tribulation is not supported by scripture. Jesus gave warnings to believers for preparedness because only saved believers running that race by faith in Jesus Christ as their Good Sheoherd in laying aside every weight and sin are considered to be His disciples to be chosen from the many called to attend the Marriage Supper in His honour.

Luke 12:40 Be ye therefore ready also: for the Son of man cometh at an hour when ye think not. 41 Then Peter said unto him, Lord, speakest thou this parable unto us, or even to all? 42 And the Lord said, Who then is that faithful and wise steward, whom his lord shall make ruler over his household, to give them their portion of meat in due season? 43 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing. 44 Of a truth I say unto you, that he will make him ruler over all that he hath. 45 But and if that servant say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming; and shall begin to beat the menservants and maidens, and to eat and drink, and to be drunken; 46 The lord of that servant will come in a day when he looketh not for him, and at an hour when he is not aware, and will cut him in sunder, and will appoint him his portion with the unbelievers. 47 And that servant, which knew his lord's will, and prepared not himself, neither did according to his will, shall be beaten with many stripes. 48 But he that knew not, and did commit things worthy of stripes, shall be beaten with few stripes. For unto whomsoever much is given, of him shall be much required: and to whom men have committed much, of him they will ask the more. 49 I am come to send fire on the earth; and what will I, if it be already kindled?

This fire will precede the coming great tribulation as it will also be on the saints left behind to receive with unbelievers. The saints will not be in danger of being drunk during teh great tribulation for when the Lord should come upon him unaware.

I doubt any saint going through the great tribulation will be blissfully ignorance of the times.

John 15:4 Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can ye, except ye abide in me. 5 I am the vine, ye are the branches: He that abideth in me, and I in him, the same bringeth forth much fruit: for without me ye can do nothing. 6 If a man abide not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned. 7 If ye abide in me, and my words abide in you, ye shall ask what ye will, and it shall be done unto you. 8 Herein is my Father glorified, that ye bear much fruit; so shall ye be my disciples.....14 Ye are my friends, if ye do whatsoever I command you. 15 Henceforth I call you not servants; for the servant knoweth not what his lord doeth: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you. 16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain:........


Only disciples are chosen from the many called to attend the Marriage Supper.
1 Peter 4:17 For the time is come that judgment must begin at the house of God: and if it first begin at us, what shall the end be of them that obey not the gospel of God? 18 And if the righteous scarcely be saved, where shall the ungodly and the sinner appear? 19 Wherefore let them that suffer according to the will of God commit the keeping of their souls to him in well doing, as unto a faithful Creator.


We can trust Him to do a good job keeping the souls of those unrepentant saints left behind.

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[ATP]

We read in Rev. 13:5 that the Anti-Christ is allowed to continue for 42 months, then Jesus will Return and chain him up for 1000 years. This time period is confirmed by Daniel 12:7 and again in Rev. 12:6 as 1260 days. [The three and a half year Great Tribulation]
Therefore those who are alive when the Anti-Christ declares himself to be God in the new Temple, can know exactly how long it will be before Jesus will Return. That glorious event should not be unexpected for them.

Good work here keras.
The last 3.5 years of Great Tribulation is in Rev 13:5 NIV.

And since we know that Satan is bound right before the first resurrection,

and we know the first resurrection precedes the rapture...

we can safely say that the rapture will come at the end of the seven year trib.

 

[Phoneman777]

What evidence is there for a Pre-Trib Rapture?

 

[ATP]

What if I were to say there is no seven year tribulation.

The 70th Week of Daniel Delusion by Steve Wohlberg

A lie can travel halfway around the world while the truth is still putting on its shoes. — Mark Twain (1835-1910)

Christians often debate about whether Jesus Christ will return for His Church before the seven years of tribulation (the “pre-trib” view), in the middle of the seven years (the “mid-trib” view), or at the end of the seven years (the “post-trib” view). Yet by far the most important question worth asking is: Does the Bible really predict a future “seven-year period of tribulation” in the first place?

Shockingly, there is no specific Bible text predicting any seven-year tribulation. The entire theory is based on an interpretation of one primary verse, Daniel 9:27, which says:

He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease… (Daniel 9:27 KJV).

Modern interpreters often conclude:

“He” is the Antichrist
Antichrist will make a treaty with the Jews for “one week” (the last “week” of the 70-week/490-year prophecy)–meaning seven years of Tribulation.
In the middle of the Tribulation, Antichrist will cause the sacrifices of a rebuilt Jewish temple “to cease.”

Thus Daniel 9:27 is applied to Antichrist, a seven-year Tribulation, and a rebuilt Jewish temple–yet the verse itself says none of this. The fact is that countless credible Bible scholars of the past applied Daniel 9:27 to Jesus Christ, not antichrist.

Matthew Henry’s commentary on Daniel 9:27 states, “By offering himself a sacrifice once and for all, he [Jesus], shall put an end to all the Levitical sacrifices.” (1). British Methodist Adam Clarke’s commentary says that during Daniel 9:27’s “term of seven years,” Jesus Himself would “confirm or ratify the new covenant with mankind.”(2). The Jamieson, Fausset and Brown commentary also says: “He shall confirm the covenant—Christ. The confirmation of the covenant is assigned to Him.” (3).

The following ten points provide solid evidence that Daniel’s 70th week doesn’t refer to any future Tribulation at all. Rather, it was fulfilled nearly two thousand years ago.

The prophecy of “seventy weeks” means seventy straight sequential weeks. There is no example in Scripture (or anywhere else!) of a time period starting, stopping, and then starting again. All biblical references to time are consecutive: 40 days and 40 nights (Genesis 7:4), 400 years in Egypt (Genesis 15:13), etc.
The 70th week follows immediately after the 69th week. If it doesn’t, then it cannot properly be called the 70th week!
It is illogical to insert a 2,000-year gap between the 69th and 70th week. There is no gap between the first seven weeks and sixty-two weeks. Why insert one between the 69th and 70th week?
Daniel 9:27 says nothing about any “tribulation,” “rebuilt” Jewish temple, or “antichrist.” Zero.
Daniel 9:24-27’s focus is the Messiah. After the Messiah is “cut off” (referring to Christ’s death), “the people of the prince who is to come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary.” This refers to the destruction of Jerusalem by Roman armies led by Prince Titus in A.D. 70. (4)
“He shall confirm the covenant.” Paul said “the covenant” was “confirmed before by God in Christ” (Galatians 3:17). Jesus Christ came “to confirm the promises made to the fathers” (Romans 15:8). The word “covenant” is Messianic, and always applies to the Messiah, not antichrist.
“He shall confirm the covenant with many.” Jesus said, “This is My blood of the new covenant, which is shed for many…” (Matthew 26:28). Jesus was quoting Daniel 9:27 specifically.
“In the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice…to cease.” After 3 ½ years of ministry, Jesus Christ’s death put an end to all sacrifices in God’s sight. He is the final Sacrifice!
“For the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate” (Daniel 9:27, KJV). It was abominable for the Jewish leaders to put God’s Son to death. This ended their temple. Jesus predicted, “Your house is left to you desolate” (Matthew 23:38).
The 70 weeks applied to the Jewish people (Daniel 9:24). Christ’s public ministry lasted 3 ½ years during which His focus was “the lost sheep of the house of Israel” (Matthew 10:6). After His resurrection and then for another 3 ½ years, His disciples preached mostly to Jews (see Acts 1-6). When the Jewish Sanhedrin stoned Stephen in 34 AD (see Acts 7), the gospel shifted to the Gentiles (see Acts 13:46)–exactly as prophecy predicted.

The evidence is overwhelming! These eight words found in Daniel 9:27: “confirm… covenant… many… midst… sacrifice… cease… abominations… desolate” all find perfect fulfillment in Jesus Christ and early Christian history. One major reason why the Jewish nation as a whole failed to receive its Messiah was because its scholars misinterpreted Daniel 9:27. They failed to see Jesus Christ as the predicted One who would die in the midst of the 70th week! The same thing is happening today as Christian scholars misapply the same prophecy.

The “seven-year tribulation theory” is like a gigantic bubble. Once Daniel 9:27 is correctly understood and the pin of truth inserted, “Pop goes the seven years!” It’s a fact: There is no Bible text that teaches any “seven-year tribulation.” If you hunt for it, you’ll end up like Ponce de Leon searching for the Fountain of Youth. He never found it.

Jesus Christ confirmed the covenant and caused the sacrifices “to cease.”

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