Why won’t a Jew say “Jesus ?”

[daughterforlight]

[SIZE=10pt]Why won’t a Jew say “Jesus ?”[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Exod.23[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt][13[/SIZE]] and be circumspect in all the things (Teachings),
[SIZE=10pt]that I (Moses) have said to you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and MAKE NO MENTION of the name of other gods (like JESUS)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]nor let it (the name of another god like JESUS),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]be heard out of your mouth.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Jews and Messianic who hold this rule,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and who do not know that Jesus was their national God,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]will NEVER call on Jesus, in baptism.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]They are not Christians.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]The R.C. have, illegally changed the Word of GOD,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and they have removed, calling on Jesus,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]from GOD’s Baptism Ordinance.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]Isa.24[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt][5[/SIZE]] The earth is defiled under its inhabitants
[SIZE=10pt]because they have transgressed the (N.T.) laws.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt](They have) changed the ordinance (of Baptism)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt](They have) broken the (NEW and) Everlasting Covenant.
[[/SIZE]6] Therefore the curse (regarding Baptism)
[SIZE=10pt]has devoured the earth[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and the races who dwell therein,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]are desolate: (without Christ and GOD)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and few (spiritually LEARNED) men left.
[[/SIZE]7] The new wine (that Jesus brought) mourns.
[SIZE=10pt]The vine languishes.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]All the (CORRECTLY baptized) merry hearted (people) sigh.[/SIZE]
[8] The mirth of tabrets ceases.
[SIZE=10pt]The sounds of the people who rejoice has ended.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The joy of the harp ceases.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]The following is for the brothers and sisters who haven’t heard:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]+[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]I am not ONEness.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]Matt.28… Jesus supposedly’ said:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt][19[/SIZE]] Go you (11 Apostles) and teach all nations,
[SIZE=10pt]baptizing them:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]>> ‘[/SIZE]in the name of the Father and of the Son
[SIZE=10pt]and of the Holy Ghost[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt].’[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] << (The underlined, and in quotes, was falsified.)[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]Catholic Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]He makes this confession,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]as to the origin of the chief Trinity text of Matthew 28:19.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]"The basic form of our (Matthew 28:19 Trinitarian)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]profession of faith,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]took shape during the course of[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the second[/SIZE] and third centuries, (Jesus died circa 30 or 33A.D.)
[SIZE=10pt]in connection with the ceremony of baptism.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]So far as its place (country) of origin is concerned,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the text (Matthew 28:19), came from the city of Rome.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The Trinity baptism and text of Matthew 28:19,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]therefore did not originate from the original Church[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]that started in Jerusalem around AD 33.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]It was rather,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]as the evidence proves,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]a later invention [/SIZE]of Roman Catholicism,
[SIZE=10pt]completely fabricated[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Very few know about these historical facts[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]. [/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]The Catholic Encyclopedia, II, page 263[/SIZE]:
[SIZE=10pt]"The baptismal formula was changed[/SIZE],
[SIZE=10pt]from[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt] the name of Jesus Christ[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]to [/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]the words Father, Son, and Holy Spirit,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]by the Catholic Church,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]in the second century."[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]The Jerusalem Bible, a scholarly Catholic work, states[/SIZE]:
[SIZE=10pt]"It may be that this formula, (Triune Matthew 28:19),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]so far as the fullness of its expression is concerned,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]is a reflection of the Man-made, [Judaism was also man made[/SIZE]]
[SIZE=10pt]liturgical usage established later[/SIZE],
[SIZE=10pt]in the primitive (Catholic) community[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]It will be remembered that Acts,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]speaks of baptizing "in the name of Jesus,"..."[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]The Catholic University of America[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]in Washington, D. C. 1923,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]New Testament Studies Number 5: [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The Lord's Command To Baptize[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt] An Historical Critical Investigation.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]By Bernard Henry Cuneo page 27.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]"The passages in Acts and the Letters of St. Paul.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=10pt]These passages seem to point,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]to the earliest form as baptism in the name of the Lord."[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Also we find.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]"Is it possible to reconcile these facts with the belief,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]that Christ commanded his disciples,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]to baptize in the trine form?[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Had Christ given such a command,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]it is urged,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the Apostolic Church would have followed him,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and we should have some trace of this obedience[/SIZE],
[SIZE=10pt]in the New Testament.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]No such trace can be found[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The only explanation of this silence,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]according to the anti-traditional view,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]is this the short Christological (Jesus Name),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]formula was (the) original,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and the longer trine formula was a later development[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt]."[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]"The Demonstratio Evangelica" by Eusebius:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Eusebius was the CHURCH HISTORIAN [/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]and Bishop of Caesarea[/SIZE][SIZE=10pt].[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]On page 152 Eusebius quotes,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]the early book of Matthew,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]that he had in his library in Caesarea.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]According to this eyewitness,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]of an unaltered (genuine) Book of Matthew,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]that could have been the original book,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]or the first copy of the original of Matthew.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]Eusebius informs us of Jesus'[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]>> actual words to his disciples,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]in the original text of Matthew 28:19:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]"With one word and voice He said to His disciples:[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]"Go, and make disciples of all nations >> in My Name[/SIZE],
[SIZE=10pt]teaching them to observe all things,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]whatever I have commanded you.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]That "Name" is Jesus.[/SIZE]
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[SIZE=10pt]Calling on the name of the LORD is the Israelite custom.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]The Israelites say that they call the LORD,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]by his name,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=10pt]in order to get his attention and get his response.[/SIZE]

Jesus has the GOODs >>> JESUS

 

[HymnSeeker]

Hmm. I see two flaws in this.

For one, Jesus is not Jesus in Hebrew. That is the modern translation of it. His name in Hebrew was Yeshua (ישוע, with vowel pointing יֵשׁוּעַ – yēšūă‘ in Hebrew), source on that was Wikipedia for the spelling. I'm not sure if that's what you meant, but it is likely that the Hebrews called him by his Hebrew name during his life.

"[SIZE=10pt]and MAKE NO MENTION of the name of other gods (like JESUS)"[/SIZE]

^That particular passage when read in context refers to God's warning to the Israelites against dabbling in other religions. Jesus is not a seperate God from the Father. They are one.


I'm not sure about the other parts, but it seems to me that a lot can be learned from the original Hebrew names and translations. I don't think "Lord" was the original translation in Hebrew, but I could be wrong. I remember reading something somewhere that actually said that there were specific names in the original Hebrew for the Father and Jesus, so that the reader knew which one was being referred to.

 

[daughterforlight]

A Jew will not baptize calling on Jesus.
Jews were not ordained to teach Christians.
Israelites and Gentiles have the GOD ordained Apostles for ETERNAL Teachers.

TOO many smiling False Prophets.
Be dilligent as Peter said.

 

[HymnSeeker]

Well, Jews don't recognize Jesus as the messiah. This is why they don't call on Him.

 

[daughterforlight]

Well, Jews don't recognize Jesus as the messiah. This is why they don't call on Him.

So what is a JEW trying to Teach a Christian?

 

[HymnSeeker]

I'm afraid I don't understand. My apologies.

 

[RANDOR]

HymnSeeker.............ya done real well
Do I see a young warrior rising up?

Anything that is not of God is automatically of satan

Praise His Holy name.....................Jesus our Lord and savior.
†††

 

[HymnSeeker]

HymnSeeker.............ya done real well

Thank you. It's encouraging to hear that I'm applying what I've learned in the proper manner.

 

[daughterforlight]

Jews are OPPOSED to the worship of JESUS.
They call it IDOLATRY.
A Jew will discourage the worship of Jesus.

A Christian is attached to Jesus, who is of various help to him.

People who do not approach JESUS,
through CORRECT baptism,
do not make contact.

Men obey GOD and they cannot instruct him, his Christ or his Apostles.

Everything works according to the will of GOD.

We do his will :
1) Faith in Christ.
2) baptism calling on Jesus, from under the water.
3) Feed on the Teachings of the Apostles.


[SIZE=12pt]Jews are not appointed to teach the New People of GOD[/SIZE][SIZE=12pt].[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Their religion was made by old Jewish men (=Tradition of the Elders)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]and not by GOD through Moses.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Isaiah Predicted >>[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Isa.19[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt][13[/SIZE]] The princes of Zoan (the Jewish rulers),
[SIZE=12pt]have become fools.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The princes of Noph (the Jewish rulers),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]are deceived.[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]Also they, precisely the High Ones, [/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]who are the stay of its tribes,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]have seduced Egypt, (the oppressive, lawyers)[/SIZE]
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[14[/SIZE]] The LORD has mingled a perverse spirit in the Priests’ midst.
[SIZE=12pt]and the Priests have caused Egypt to err in every work,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]like a drunken man staggers in his vomit.
[15[/SIZE]] Nor shall there be any work (involvement in Christianity)
[SIZE=12pt]for Egypt, (the oppressive ones)[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]that the head or tail, branch or rush, may do.[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]Matt.21[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt][43[/SIZE]] Therefore I (the God of Israel),
[SIZE=12pt]Say to you, (the chief priests and the elders),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]The Kingdom of GOD (the Priesthood),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]shall be taken from you,[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]and given to a nation (the Apostles and converts = the Christians),[/SIZE]
[SIZE=12pt]who bring forth its fruits (the good deeds of the Salvation of men).[/SIZE]

[SIZE=12pt]The Apostles are our Teachers..[/SIZE]

Jews are OPPOSED to the worship of JESUS.
They call it IDOLATRY.
A Jew will discourage the worship of Jesus.

A Christian is attached to Jesus, who is of various help to him.

People who do not approach JESUS,
through CORRECT baptism,
do not make contact.

Men obey GOD and they cannot instruct him, his Christ or his Apostles.

Everything works according to the will of GOD.

We do his will :
1) Faith in Christ.
2) baptism calling on Jesus, from under the water.
3) Feed on the Teachings of the Apostles.