They disobeyed God and at the fruit. They brought sin, misery and death into the world. Is it possible for them to be saved? I've asked this question to people before and soem say they probably are but others won't really say either way. So I'll put it to the forum.
Will Adam And Eve Be In Heaven
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Adam and Eve lived a long time after that tree incident. I don't see where they continued to disobey God, but the damage was already Done. Satan had hold of the planet. Where there is no law, sin is not imputed. God did kill off some animals to make them clothes, so I don't see any grudge being held against them on God's Part.
I am sure when we see them in Heaven, it would be in bad taste to walk up to them and ask them what the heck where they thinking though..........
Jesus Is Lord.
I am sure when we see them in Heaven, it would be in bad taste to walk up to them and ask them what the heck where they thinking though..........
Jesus Is Lord.
Golgotha, the palce of the skull was supposed to be where Adam's skull was buried and there are legends that it was buried under the very cross jesus was crucified on. when Christ's blood fell on the ground it seeped through onto Adam's remains and he was saved. This is a legend I know but it never theless say's that Adam was saved by teh blood of Christ. If I see them I wouldn't for a second question why they were there but I'd love a chat with them.
Miss Hepburn
Well-Known Member
Well, I guess someone could give an opinion if they actually believed that story in the first place.
Sorry, I've changed alot and learned alot in the last month or 2. I'm not who I was when I came here.
I couldn't even tell you what I believe now or I'd have tomatoes thrown at me.
A snippet---no Fall, no Garden, no original sin, actually no sin...all made up to blame the Creator for
themselves going so so far away from who they really are - so far from their Source/Father - they couldn't
get back -lost out here in the distractions of the material world.
Jesus died for our sin alright ---our sin of forgetfulness of who we really are - no death = no sin.
He erased the cause by erasing the effect.
Sorry, I said I couldn't even tell you - and there I went.
The paradigm back then for centuries was one of sacrifice and blood, so Jesus fit into that bec that was all we could 'get'.
There's a new paradigm shift.
Haven't you ever thought - boy God was wrathful and a murderer - gee, I can make it make sense but - seems like He
was a very intense Father?
And now
He's all loving - hmmm ---well He was always loving - made up stories, made up stories.
2 choices here -1. think I'm a heretic and dismiss the above because it shakes what you've believed for 40 little years, Oooo, scary...
2. question and explore what I'm bringing back to tell you in the cave
The sin was us not being able to get back to who we are and where we came from.
Made up stories - oh, how man likes to blame. All but himself that is. And boy does he like to follow old ancient beliefs set
down in writing and believed for centuries, esp if it it comes from men in satin purple robes that smell of frankincense.
God's always been there inside with blazing Light and Love ----we just got lost. Jesus helped us remember - nice crumb He left.
Hmm, no death - but the wages of sin is death --but, wait, no death --oh - you mean there was really no sin either? Cause and effect ---sin=death, right?
No death ,,,,then no sin either. I know it's tuff. You know I believed what everyone else does, too. This is a recent change. Like looking into
those 3D prints ---whole other world.
When we realize the uselessness of separation we'll be moving on up. That darned EGO! What a mess it has made of things.
Or was it that first primitive early man that made up this fantasy of our separation ? Thus, stories of sin. anger, floods...deep rooted fears of a wrathful, displeased Father.
Still fear and ego, fear and ego. What keeps you separate from realizing who you are? Coming into your full sonship, your full inheritance...your original purpose?
Love ya,
:) Miss Hepburn
I won't be offended if a tomato gets thrown. Hey, I've recited the Apostle's Creed more than most of you! I understand being rooted in taught beliefs. Here I go pressing post.
Sorry, I've changed alot and learned alot in the last month or 2. I'm not who I was when I came here.
I couldn't even tell you what I believe now or I'd have tomatoes thrown at me.
A snippet---no Fall, no Garden, no original sin, actually no sin...all made up to blame the Creator for
themselves going so so far away from who they really are - so far from their Source/Father - they couldn't
get back -lost out here in the distractions of the material world.
Jesus died for our sin alright ---our sin of forgetfulness of who we really are - no death = no sin.
He erased the cause by erasing the effect.
Sorry, I said I couldn't even tell you - and there I went.
The paradigm back then for centuries was one of sacrifice and blood, so Jesus fit into that bec that was all we could 'get'.
There's a new paradigm shift.
Haven't you ever thought - boy God was wrathful and a murderer - gee, I can make it make sense but - seems like He
was a very intense Father?
And now
He's all loving - hmmm ---well He was always loving - made up stories, made up stories.
2 choices here -1. think I'm a heretic and dismiss the above because it shakes what you've believed for 40 little years, Oooo, scary...
2. question and explore what I'm bringing back to tell you in the cave
The sin was us not being able to get back to who we are and where we came from.
Made up stories - oh, how man likes to blame. All but himself that is. And boy does he like to follow old ancient beliefs set
down in writing and believed for centuries, esp if it it comes from men in satin purple robes that smell of frankincense.
God's always been there inside with blazing Light and Love ----we just got lost. Jesus helped us remember - nice crumb He left.
Hmm, no death - but the wages of sin is death --but, wait, no death --oh - you mean there was really no sin either? Cause and effect ---sin=death, right?
No death ,,,,then no sin either. I know it's tuff. You know I believed what everyone else does, too. This is a recent change. Like looking into
those 3D prints ---whole other world.
When we realize the uselessness of separation we'll be moving on up. That darned EGO! What a mess it has made of things.
Or was it that first primitive early man that made up this fantasy of our separation ? Thus, stories of sin. anger, floods...deep rooted fears of a wrathful, displeased Father.
Still fear and ego, fear and ego. What keeps you separate from realizing who you are? Coming into your full sonship, your full inheritance...your original purpose?
Love ya,
:) Miss Hepburn
I won't be offended if a tomato gets thrown. Hey, I've recited the Apostle's Creed more than most of you! I understand being rooted in taught beliefs. Here I go pressing post.
The story of the fall in genesis doesn't blame God at all. He told Adaman aEve they could do what they liked as long as they kept away from the tree of good and evil. They disobeyd God and the serpent tricked them, so it is them to balme.
Miss Hepburn
Well-Known Member
Thank you,dear, for not throwing a tomato or getting mad at me for thinking differently -(outside the box)
You're story above I see as blaming or another way to maybe put it - I see it - as coming up with a reason we are separated from our Father
and all He had intended for us. - you view it differently.
I see a finger pointing to a Father that created a scenario for man to fail or at least be tempted.
Maybe this would help in seeing how I view it...
I don't put even my doggies into a situation for them to be tempted ( a trash can is a great example) -and then cast out of the backyard!!
And that's little ole ME!
Ha!
I see blame simply because of the intitial order, command, request, direction with dire repercussions.
Why would anyone place a trash can with food left in it for your doggies to even tip over -of course, they're going to get into it! They are dogs it is their nature following their nose - It is man's nature to make mistakes, an owner would know that be he a slave owner or the Creator Himself.
See that's where the blame comes in - the owner would be a ridiculously nutty owner to set up this scenario.
I can not believe my Beloved Father did this. No way.
Again -I do not want to offend anyone - it's new as of a few weeks ago to think in this way and
break free from old thoughts in my head that I believed for eons it seems.
In my desire to know and understand the Lord - (Jere 9:23)
it has lead me to this point.
:)
Just out of interest Miss Hepburn; od you belong to any particular denomination or Church? I notice you said you take Communion t Catholic Mass though your not a catholic, so what is your own church?
evanom
New Member
I'm pretty sure they're in heaven. God wanted them saved too, and Jesus' blood certainly included them.
01CobraVortech
New Member
Miss Hepburn I'm not going to launch any tomatoes at you. But you now sound a lot like the followers of David Icke.
On a related note, I'm willing to bet that Adam and Eve were the two best looking man and woman of all time. I'm going to be the first guy asking for a dance with that dame when I get up there. :lol:
On a related note, I'm willing to bet that Adam and Eve were the two best looking man and woman of all time. I'm going to be the first guy asking for a dance with that dame when I get up there. :lol:
Colossians 1:19&20 For God in all His fullness was pleased to live in Christ, and by Him God reconciled everything to Himself. He made peace with everything in heaven and on earth by means of His blood on the cross. NLT
I suppose it is only right that we should assume they will be there. They knew God because they lived with him in his presence in Eded. They would have repented for disobeying God and wanted to be with him again.
Rome is burning and it's citizens want to talk about why their cable is out.
The end is speeding towards us and we want to talk about what is behind us instead of what is in front of us.
The answer to the question has no bearing on anything that needs to be done right now.
Sometimes the people on this board amaze me.
The end is speeding towards us and we want to talk about what is behind us instead of what is in front of us.
The answer to the question has no bearing on anything that needs to be done right now.
Sometimes the people on this board amaze me.
Neither does Creation since how litterally you take Genesis doesn't ahve anything to do with wether you are a good Christian or not.
We don't know when the world will end; it might be toay, tomorrow or in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years, so for now life goes on. Personally I don't think for a minute that we are anywhere near the alst days.
Anyway, why can't the matter of Adama dn Eve's salvation/damnation be up for discussion?
We don't know when the world will end; it might be toay, tomorrow or in 100000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years, so for now life goes on. Personally I don't think for a minute that we are anywhere near the alst days.
Anyway, why can't the matter of Adama dn Eve's salvation/damnation be up for discussion?
-- You're right, Templar.
A person who doesn't recognize signs of the end of times and feels it could be 10000000000000000000000000000000000000000 years before Christ returns really doesn't have anything better to do.
OK, but the answer does not ahve to have bearing on anything that needs to be done right. That doesn't mean we can't discuss it.
-- I couldn't have said it better myself.
Of course you can discuss it. No one has said you can't.
What amazes me is that, with all the areas that Christians disagree on - many causing problems with the message God wants us to get out - this topic is one that actually draws discussion.
But hey, knock yourself out.
I would humbly point out, though that if you think it could really be 10000000000000000000000000000000000000 years before Christ returns, there are perhaps other areas of discussion or study that should be considered.
Just a thought.
Just a friendly reminder to stay on target and topic with respect to the OP. :)
It's probably not the first time you've seen me say this, but be very careful of where you put who when it comes to things like this. I don't recommend writing anyone off to heaven or to hell, but I think the possibility of seeing these two is pretty absolute.
Time and place is not an issue for our God.
It's probably not the first time you've seen me say this, but be very careful of where you put who when it comes to things like this. I don't recommend writing anyone off to heaven or to hell, but I think the possibility of seeing these two is pretty absolute.
Time and place is not an issue for our God.
Ok, don't shoot me for this, but I don't recall where I read it. Somewhere I read that we won't even have identities in heaven. I mean, we won't be like we are now. We will all have heavenly bodies and be perfect like the Lord.
shipwrecksoul
New Member
Yes 100%
Eph 4:8 Wherefore he saith, When he ascended up on high, he led captivity captive, and gave gifts unto men.
Eph 4:9 (Now that he ascended, what is it but that he also descended first into the lower parts of the earth?
Rev 13:8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
Gen 22:8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
evanom
New Member
Ok, don't shoot me for this, but I don't recall where I read it. Somewhere I read that we won't even have identities in heaven. I mean, we won't be like we are now. We will all have heavenly bodies and be perfect like the Lord. ~~~~~~ write2witness
write2witness , did you read this in the Bible or somewhere else? The "non-identity in heaven" doesn't fit at all with the Bible, for Revelations 7:9 specifies a great ethnic diversity of people in heaven. And Rev. 2:17 talks of some kind of new ID with a new name we will be given in Heaven also. So we do keep our identity. A religion that definitely talks about us not having any identity is Buddhism where we all just melt into this huge cosmic sea of energy. We literary dissolve into it ceasing to ever exist as individuals again. We just become.... a massive humming buzzing electrical thing floating around for all eternity. What a depressing scenario!
Why would anyone place a trash can with food left in it for your doggies to even tip over -of course, they're going to get into it! They are dogs it is their nature following their nose - It is man's nature to make mistakes, an owner would know that be he a slave owner or the Creator Himself.
See that's where the blame comes in - the owner would be a ridiculously nutty owner to set up this scenario. I can not believe my Beloved Father did this. No way.
Again -I do not want to offend anyone - it's new as of a few weeks ago to think in this way and
break free from old thoughts in my head that I believed for eons it seems. ~~~~~~~~ Miss Hepburn
Miss hepburn, it's quite hard to follow you, but certainly you're not thinking out of the box, you're thinking out of the Bible! May I ask what happened "a few weeks ago" that suddenly gave you new insight that broke old thought patterns, and why you decided this new info was the real deal? Anyway, i just wanted to comment on your thinking that GOd put these two trees in the Garden as some kind of sadistic joke waiting for man to fall for it so to kick him out of Eden and make life miserable for all on earth....
The two trees weren't there for temptation. The devil tempts us, not God.
James 1:13 . Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Also, the Bible nevers says the trees were tempting in the first place. It’s not like all the trees available to Adam and Eve grew green beans and cabbage while Gods trees were full of delicious mangos, juicy oranges and mouth watering peaches. It was probably all the contrary. The garden was most likely filled with a wide variety of delicious fruits and vegetables for man and beast to enjoy in infinite combinations. It was probably Gods two trees that had the green beans and cabbages. So the analogy of a doggie in the backyard surrounded by boring tasteless grass and suddenly discovering a trash can full of delicious rotting leftovers really doesn’t fit.
SO if the trees weren’t there to sadistically tempt man, then there was probably a purpose for their being there. Apparently, the two trees had a use, but it was reserved for a right time. There was a tree of knowledge and a tree of life. God wanted to give these things to man but at the right time and under His right circumstances. The reason i have this opinion is because of verses such as:
1C 13:8-10. Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
With Christ's return, partial knowledge shall cease and perfect knowledge shall commence.
2C 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, has shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
God wants us to have knowledge, but through His Son Jesus. As for the tree of life.
AV Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
AV Re 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God also wanted us to take the fruit of that tree, but only at HIs timing and under His conditions. Those trees were in the garden because they were gonna be given to man, at the right time.
Man's rebellion and temptation had nothing to do with these trees and everything to do with following Satan and challenging God....... trees or no trees.
write2witness , did you read this in the Bible or somewhere else? The "non-identity in heaven" doesn't fit at all with the Bible, for Revelations 7:9 specifies a great ethnic diversity of people in heaven. And Rev. 2:17 talks of some kind of new ID with a new name we will be given in Heaven also. So we do keep our identity. A religion that definitely talks about us not having any identity is Buddhism where we all just melt into this huge cosmic sea of energy. We literary dissolve into it ceasing to ever exist as individuals again. We just become.... a massive humming buzzing electrical thing floating around for all eternity. What a depressing scenario!
Why would anyone place a trash can with food left in it for your doggies to even tip over -of course, they're going to get into it! They are dogs it is their nature following their nose - It is man's nature to make mistakes, an owner would know that be he a slave owner or the Creator Himself.
See that's where the blame comes in - the owner would be a ridiculously nutty owner to set up this scenario. I can not believe my Beloved Father did this. No way.
Again -I do not want to offend anyone - it's new as of a few weeks ago to think in this way and
break free from old thoughts in my head that I believed for eons it seems. ~~~~~~~~ Miss Hepburn
Miss hepburn, it's quite hard to follow you, but certainly you're not thinking out of the box, you're thinking out of the Bible! May I ask what happened "a few weeks ago" that suddenly gave you new insight that broke old thought patterns, and why you decided this new info was the real deal? Anyway, i just wanted to comment on your thinking that GOd put these two trees in the Garden as some kind of sadistic joke waiting for man to fall for it so to kick him out of Eden and make life miserable for all on earth....
The two trees weren't there for temptation. The devil tempts us, not God.
James 1:13 . Let no man say when he is tempted, I am tempted of God: for God cannot be tempted with evil, neither tempteth he any man:
Also, the Bible nevers says the trees were tempting in the first place. It’s not like all the trees available to Adam and Eve grew green beans and cabbage while Gods trees were full of delicious mangos, juicy oranges and mouth watering peaches. It was probably all the contrary. The garden was most likely filled with a wide variety of delicious fruits and vegetables for man and beast to enjoy in infinite combinations. It was probably Gods two trees that had the green beans and cabbages. So the analogy of a doggie in the backyard surrounded by boring tasteless grass and suddenly discovering a trash can full of delicious rotting leftovers really doesn’t fit.
SO if the trees weren’t there to sadistically tempt man, then there was probably a purpose for their being there. Apparently, the two trees had a use, but it was reserved for a right time. There was a tree of knowledge and a tree of life. God wanted to give these things to man but at the right time and under His right circumstances. The reason i have this opinion is because of verses such as:
1C 13:8-10. Charity never faileth: but whether [there be] prophecies, they shall fail; whether [there be] tongues, they shall cease; whether [there be] knowledge, it shall vanish away. For we know in part, and we prophesy in part. But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
With Christ's return, partial knowledge shall cease and perfect knowledge shall commence.
2C 4:6 For God, who commanded the light to shine out of darkness, has shined in our hearts, to [give] the light of the knowledge of the glory of God in the face of Jesus Christ.
God wants us to have knowledge, but through His Son Jesus. As for the tree of life.
AV Re 22:2 In the midst of the street of it, and on either side of the river, [was there] the tree of life, which bare twelve [manner of] fruits, [and] yielded her fruit every month: and the leaves of the tree [were] for the healing of the nations.
AV Re 22:14 Blessed [are] they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
God also wanted us to take the fruit of that tree, but only at HIs timing and under His conditions. Those trees were in the garden because they were gonna be given to man, at the right time.
Man's rebellion and temptation had nothing to do with these trees and everything to do with following Satan and challenging God....... trees or no trees.
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