Will Christ utter new words in a Premil millennium?

[grafted branch]

Christ will utter all the words you ever spoke before the thousand years even begins, so no need to worry about what else He may or may not say.

What are you talking about?

 

[Zao is life]

What are you talking about?

You will know because Christ knows what words of yours you will be required to give answer to Him for before the thousand years even begins.

How will I know what words of yours He will mention?

Personally, I concern myself with what words of mine He will require of me to give and answer for before the thousand years begins rather than what He may or may not say during the thousand years to follow His return.

 

[grafted branch]

You will know because Christ knows what words of yours you will be required to give answer to Him for before the thousand years even begins.

How will I know what words of yours He will mention?

Personally, I concern myself with what words of mine He will require of me to give and answer for before the thousand years begins rather than what He may or may not say during the thousand years to follow His return.

Alright, what about Jesus adding to the canon during the millennium? What is your position on that?

 

[Zao is life]

Alright, what about Jesus adding to the canon during the millennium? What is your position on that?

He won't need to. By then everything He has ever said will have come to pass except the final words He gave us - the release of Satan, the final Gog-Magog rebellion, the Great White Throne judgment and the destruction of death and hades in the lake of fire, together with all whose names are not found in the Book of Life.

So He has already told us whatever we need to know.

@grafted branch I think it's a silly question and proves nothing regarding your position on the millennium.

 

[grafted branch]

He won't need to. By then everything He has ever said will have come to pass except the final words He gave us - the release of Satan, the final Gog-Magog rebellion, the Great White Throne judgment and the destruction of death and hades in the lake of fire, together with all whose names are not found in the Book of Life.

So He has already told us whatever we need to know.

Ok, that’s really all I’m trying to get at. I’m just interested in how Premils are dealing with this. I’ll put you down as Jesus not uttering any new words during the millennium.

@grafted branch I think it's a silly question and proves nothing regarding your position on the millennium.

I’m not trying to prove anything. This is what I said in the OP “I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.”

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Since this thread is about a Premil millennium I guess that means the Premil view is also conjecture and guessing so wondering about the Premil millennium is all really a waste of time.

The waste of time is asking questions about whether the Lord will become a liar or not

 

[grafted branch]

The waste of time is asking questions about whether the Lord will become a liar or not

Great, let’s not waste time on whether God is a liar or not. Since it appears you agree that inserting extra time into a prophecy makes God a liar, let’s briefly look at Daniel 9:24.

Daniel 9:24 Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

Since most every view, Preterist, Amil, and Premil agree that the Daniel 9:24 conditions get fulfilled in the millennium, and you see adding time in between the 69th and 70th week as making God a liar, then that means you’re not Premil. You have to have the 70th week already fulfilled in the first century and either we are currently in the millennium or it’s already over.

Welcome aboard and thanks for joining all the rest of the non-Premils on the forum.

 

[Big Boy Johnson]

Great, let’s not waste time on whether God is a liar or not. Since it appears you agree that inserting extra time into a prophecy makes God a liar, let’s briefly look at Daniel 9:24.

You say let’s not waste time on whether God is a liar or not and then jump right back in to discuss if God is going to do what He said or not. That's some rich irony right there!

I don't sitting around worrying is Amil, and Premil agree as I'm going to be with the Lord and where He is at things are good, really good!

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok, but then God didn’t permanently close the canon if it’s possible that it can be added to in the millennium, it was a temporal closure.

You must remembeer that this is all speculation. We do not know what will happen in the millenium. but if God should declare teh canon open- whatever is added will not contradict His will already declared in Scripture. I do not believe that God will open the Canon as life in the milleniumn is already described.

 

[covenantee]

Since most every view, Preterist, Amil, and Premil agree that the Daniel 9:24 conditions get fulfilled in the millennium

Do you have any examples of that view in orthodox Christian doctrine prior to the 19th century?

 

[grafted branch]

I do not believe that God will open the Canon as life in the milleniumn is already described.

Ok, in John 11:35 it says Jesus wept. In this verse it’s explaining Jesus’ actions not His words. In the Premil millennium I would think Jesus will be physically active. Maybe He smiles, shakes a finger, raises His hands towards heaven, or whatever. Any of those physical actions would most likely be considered part of the Canon if they are written down or recorded.

And here’s another thing, in Luke 24:42-43 they gave Jesus broiled fish and honeycomb and He eats it. I would think even the food Jesus eats during the millennium would be recorded. Really, unless Jesus just sat motionless and said nothing people would record everything and anything they noticed, even things like how many times He blinks His eyes, how fast His hair grows, and stuff like that.

 

[grafted branch]

Do you have any examples of that view in orthodox Christian doctrine prior to the 19th century?

No I don’t, and that’s a good point. Since most of us agree the Canon is complete (except maybe some Premils) and it has all the information we will need, why didn’t the early church leaders teach about a future millennium?

The whole idea that the Canon almost certainly would get added to if Christ were to physically reign on earth during a future millennium is just one more reason I find it hard to accept the Premil view.

 

[MatthewG]

No I don’t, and that’s a good point. Since most of us agree the Canon is complete (except maybe some Premils) and it has all the information we will need, why didn’t the early church leaders teach about a future millennium?

The whole idea that the Canon almost certainly would get added to if Christ were to physically reign on earth during a future millennium is just one more reason I find it hard to accept the Premil view.

Hello GB,

That makes a whole lot of sense.

Even Jesus said "his kingdom was not of this earth."

The people in that day expected a material reigning, king.

So it must be spiritual, and established today, if Jesus has had the victory.

Otherwise the Kingdom itself is not even established yet, and people are still waiting.

 

[covenantee]

No I don’t, and that’s a good point. Since most of us agree the Canon is complete (except maybe some Premils) and it has all the information we will need, why didn’t the early church leaders teach about a future millennium?

The whole idea that the Canon almost certainly would get added to if Christ were to physically reign on earth during a future millennium is just one more reason I find it hard to accept the Premil view.

There was premil in the historic Church, but historic premil was far closer to amil than to today's modernist futurist dispen premil.

And unlike modernist futurist dispen premil, neither historic premil nor amil have ever denied that Daniel 9:24 was fulfilled completely and perfectly at Calvary.

 

[grafted branch]

Hello GB,

That makes a whole lot of sense.

Even Jesus said "his kingdom was not of this earth."

The people in that day expected a material reigning, king.

So it must be spiritual, and established today, if Jesus has had the victory.

Otherwise the Kingdom itself is not even established yet, and people are still waiting.

Yes, and not only that, the kingdom is an everlasting kingdom and once a person is saved they enter into that kingdom. To me it seems dangerous for a Christian to claim they aren’t in the kingdom.

2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

 

[Davy]

I had a conversation with a Premil friend of mine about how he can be sure the millennium hasn’t already occurred. In a nutshell, he said that during the millennium Christ will be ruling and His words during that time will be recorded and His words will not pass away. Since we currently don’t have His words from the millennial rule, we can know for certain it hasn’t happened.

I said how do we know whether or not Christ will actually utter any words during the millennium, other than what has already been written? His only response was that it should be obvious that Christ will be speaking many words during His reign.

I’ve been thinking about this and does the Premil position also mean that the cannon of Scripture is not yet complete? I know the Revelation 22:18-19 warning is if any man add or subtract, but an argument can certainly be made that Christ is not in view in those verses.

So will there be new chapters or books added to the Bible during the Premil millennium? Can there be more time added in somewhere after the millennium by Christ uttering new prophecies? Or could it be possible that Christ doesn’t speak at all during the millennium?

I’m not trying to debate anything, I’m just curious what others think about this.

Your friend is just making up stuff, or regurgitating stuff he got from someone else. There is no Bible Scripture that even hints... as Lord Jesus giving any new Scripture during His coming "thousand years" reign! So what you are telling here sounds like YOU ARE trying to debate AGAINST the Premillennium view.

When Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:35 said Heaven and earth shall pass away: but His words shall not pass away, He was referring to His Written Word we ALREADY HAVE TODAY. And the reason why is simple; it is because there is still MUCH BIBLE PROPHECY STILL NOT YET FULFILLED TODAY, and that even includes Bible prophecies that go into His future "thousand years" reign, and thereafter!

So why would there need to be ANY IDEA that Jesus will give new words at His future Millennial reign, for that idea is just made up in the minds of those who obviously don't study all their Bible.

 

[Davy]

Yes, and not only that, the kingdom is an everlasting kingdom and once a person is saved they enter into that kingdom. To me it seems dangerous for a Christian to claim they aren’t in the kingdom.

2 Peter 1:10 Wherefore the rather, brethren, give diligence to make your calling and election sure: for if ye do these things, ye shall never fall: 11 For so an entrance shall be ministered unto you abundantly into the everlasting kingdom of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.

It's apparent that you just SKIPPED OVER Peter giving that condition for that to be true, with, "if ye do these things".

What's the opposite of that? what IF one DOES NOT DO THOSE THINGS to make their calling and election sure? They shall FAIL.

This means the PROPER READING of that Scripture by Apostle Peter is whether or not we FIT THAT CONDITION HE MENTIONS THERE. Of course no doubt it was Peter's hope that all believers on Christ would fit that condition. Yet because Peter... gave that IF condition, it means our initial belief on Jesus is not an 'automatic' guarantee we are going to enter into the Kingdom of God.

We have to keep The FAITH first given to the original disciples of Christ, and stay in our walk with Jesus by The Holy Spirit.

1 Cor 6:9-10
9 Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind,
10 Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God.
KJV

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Ok, in John 11:35 it says Jesus wept. In this verse it’s explaining Jesus’ actions not His words. In the Premil millennium I would think Jesus will be physically active. Maybe He smiles, shakes a finger, raises His hands towards heaven, or whatever. Any of those physical actions would most likely be considered part of the Canon if they are written down or recorded.

And here’s another thing, in Luke 24:42-43 they gave Jesus broiled fish and honeycomb and He eats it. I would think even the food Jesus eats during the millennium would be recorded. Really, unless Jesus just sat motionless and said nothing people would record everything and anything they noticed, even things like how many times He blinks His eyes, how fast His hair grows, and stuff like that.

Now you are making assumptions on an assumption. We will only know when we get to then. Trying to figure out what we have no knowledge about only leads to frustration and for many, making false conclusions that bring harm and not good.

Trying to live according to the Inspired Canon of the NT is hard enough to maintain without trying to figure what may or may not happen in the millennial kingdom.

 

[grafted branch]

When Lord Jesus in Matthew 24:35 said Heaven and earth shall pass away: but His words shall not pass away, He was referring to His Written Word we ALREADY HAVE TODAY. And the reason why is simple; it is because there is still MUCH BIBLE PROPHECY STILL NOT YET FULFILLED TODAY, and that even includes Bible prophecies that go into His future "thousand years" reign, and thereafter!

Jesus made that statement approximately 2,000 years ago. Arguing that currently some things still need to be fulfilled as the reason why He said my words would never passed away, doesn’t make sense. Once everything written is actually fulfilled then your reason for Him making that statement is gone, yet His words would still be with us. You are planning on being a full Preterist at some point in the future, right?

So why would there need to be ANY IDEA that Jesus will give new words at His future Millennial reign, for that idea is just made up in the minds of those who obviously don't study all their Bible.

Is your argument that Jesus is going to sit on His throne in Jerusalem and He’s not going to say anything new that hasn’t already been written in the Bible? If someone asks Jesus a question like “which one is it, free will or election?”, Jesus will just quote written scripture and won’t say anything else? This seems pretty strange to me, especially when Jesus answered all kinds of questions when He was here the first time.

 

[grafted branch]

Now you are making assumptions on an assumption. We will only know when we get to then. Trying to figure out what we have no knowledge about only leads to frustration and for many, making false conclusions that bring harm and not good.

Trying to live according to the Inspired Canon of the NT is hard enough to maintain without trying to figure what may or may not happen in the millennial kingdom.

Well, either Jesus will or won’t say and do things in a Premil millennium. That means there are only two initial assumptions.

If we assume Jesus will say and do things that are new then by all our current standards that would mean He added to the Canon.

If we assume Jesus will just sit on His throne and not say or do anything at all, then the Canon would not be added to.

It seems very odd that any Premil would even want to admit Jesus is just going to be like a dead person, not saying or doing anything in the millennium, yet that’s how it would have to be for the Canon to remain as it is today. It seems either assumption is troublesome but saying we shouldn’t make assumptions is just a way of trying to get around the problem.