Would you consider the following to be a success?

[Patrick1966]

10 people are taken hostage by a bank robber. The police chief says his SWAT team will save them all. SWAT strikes but 2 of the hostages are shot dead by the robber.

Would you say that the chief fulfilled his claim that none would be lost?

So why do you believe that Jesus FAILS to fulfill his claim that the Gates of Hell will not prevail?

 

[Stumpmaster]

10 people are taken hostage by a bank robber. The police chief says his SWAT team will save them all. SWAT strikes but 2 of the hostages are shot dead by the robber.

Would you say that the chief fulfilled his claim that none would be lost?

So why do you believe that Jesus FAILS to fulfill his claim that the Gates of Hell will not prevail?

 

[Lambano]

So why do you believe that Jesus FAILS to fulfill his claim that the Gates of Hell will not prevail?

In the referenced passage (Matthew 16:18), what is the referent for αὐτῆς ("autas", feminine possessive pronoun, "hers") against which or whom the Gates of Hades will not prevail?

 

[Patrick1966]

In the referenced passage (Matthew 16:18), what is the referent for αὐτῆς ("autas", feminine possessive pronoun, "hers") against which or whom the Gates of Hades will not prevail?

I have no clue as to what you just asked.

 

[Lambano]

I have no clue as to what you just asked.

I noticed.

I'm sympathetic to your cause, though for various reasons I consider it a low-probability understanding of what the Biblical writers are trying to tell us. I do want to try to help you tighten up your logical arguments. Okay?

In mentioning prevailing against the Gates of Hell, you alluded to Matthew 16:18, "And I also say to you that you are Peter (Petros), and upon this rock (Petra) I will build My ἐκκλησία; and the gates of Hades will not overpower hers.“

Since you asked whether Jesus accomplished what He said he would accomplish in Matthew 16:18, I'm asking you what you think Jesus said He would accomplish.

 

[Patrick1966]

Since you asked whether Jesus accomplished what He said he would accomplish in Matthew 16:18, I'm asking you what you think Jesus said He would accomplish.

That the Gates of Hell will not prevent his church (of which he is in charge) from reaching and saving all people.

 

[Lambano]

That the Gates of Hell will not prevent his church (of which he is in charge) from reaching and saving all people.

Okay. What do you make of the "hers" (or "her own") at the end?

 

[Jay Ross]

That the Gates of Hell will not prevent his church (of which he is in charge) from reaching and saving all people.

On this foundational rock/stone, that Jesus is the Son of God, Jesus said that he will build His church/assembly.

Jesus is the savour for all of the peoples of the earth, but this can only be true if people actually believe that Jesus is the Son of God and chose him to be their savour before their physical death when they draw their last breath.

It is our choice to be save. It is the hallmark of your theory that if a person choses to be save after being dispatched to the Lake of fire, that their choice will be accepted after the bell has tolled. However, the choice must be made before they draw their last breathe before they physically die.

Shalom

 

[Stumpmaster]

That the Gates of Hell will not prevent his church (of which he is in charge) from reaching and saving all people.

Some funerals give the impression that deceased non-believers have gone to heaven, but it's not Biblical.

 

[marks]

So why do you believe that Jesus FAILS to fulfill his claim that the Gates of Hell will not prevail?

You are not representing corrrectly what Jesus said there. Can you spot the error?

Much love!

 

[Patrick1966]

You are not representing corrrectly what Jesus said there. Can you spot the error?

Much love!

Jesus said he will build his church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail.

Now, what is the PURPOSE of his church?

 

[Patrick1966]

Some funerals give the impression that deceased non-believers have gone to heaven, but it's not Biblical.

What is the fate of agnostics?

 

[marks]

Jesus said he will build his church and the Gates of Hell will not prevail.

Now, what is the PURPOSE of his church?

You still are not correctly representing what He said.

Matthew 16:17-20 KJV
17) And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou, Simon Barjona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my Father which is in heaven.
18) And I say also unto thee, That thou art Peter, and upon this rock I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.
19) And I will give unto thee the keys of the kingdom of heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt bind on earth shall be bound in heaven: and whatsoever thou shalt loose on earth shall be loosed in heaven.
20) Then charged he his disciples that they should tell no man that he was Jesus the Christ.

To answer your question, the purpose of the church is to have communion with God by reconciliation to Him through Jesus Christ. Although that's a pretty wide open question.

How do you answer that question?

Much love!