Yeshua taught judaism in the context of the belief in him, catholicism and also protestanism are false religions that disregard the Torah of Moses
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Call it a guilty pleasure.
Every so often I like to check in on our friend-- the OP gavaria christian alvarez (gone, but not forgotten-- the homosexual prophet who burned his cash, stockpiled food, warned us of global drought and wannabe witness) ..... Here is a snipped version of one of his latest warnings>>>
In around 25 months from now Vatican City is going to be destroyed, which will cause all fiat currencies in the world to enter a state of hyperinflation. This will happen in the spring of 2026 AD around 6 months prior to the year 6,000 in the autumn of 2026 AD, which will be the time of the return of Yeshua, which will also be precisely 2,000 years since the anointing of Yeshua in 26 AD. Vatican City is the true prostitute of Babylon of Revelation, and just as the prophecy in Revelation states, she will be destroyed by the beast and its 10 horns, which symbolizes the newly formed United States of Europe and its 10 nations that will give it authority.
Anytime now the two witnesses of Revelation are going to appear to all humanity, who have been anointed since last year in Nisan 15. They will destroy the Dome of the Rock, and through them the third temple will be constructed quickly, just in time for the return of Yeshua in 2 years from now in 2026 AD. They have now been prophesying for 290 days, and only 970 days are now left until they are killed in Jerusalem by the newly formed United States of Europe. Almost one quarter of the total 1,260 days they have been appointed to prophesy has passed. They will die in the morning of Jerusalem time around 12 hours after the 6th trumpet blast in the evening of Tishri 6, and then around 12 hours later the 7th trumpet will be blasted in the evening of Tishri 7, and Yeshua will begin to rule the earth.
The 7 trumpets of Revelation will be blasted for 7 days on Yom Teruah, beginning in Tishri 1 to Tishri 7. The descension of Yeshua will happen in the morning of Elul 22, which 7 and 1/2 days prior to the 1st trumpet blast. This is the 1/2 hour prophetic hour of silence in heaven, because the celestial city will be left alone when Yeshua descends onto the earth, because he will descend unto the earth with all his 400 million angels, which never in the history of humanity has happened. And at the command of Yeshua, all his armies of angels will capture all humanity, to bring them to the Valley of Jehoshaphat, to judge them there. Those who are chosen to inherit the kingdom of Yeshua will sit in thrones there and will help judge all humanity during that time, which will take no longer than 5 months. And this will be the judgment of the living. The judgment of the dead will happen around 1,000 years later when the millennial rulership of Yeshua comes to an end, and the dead will be resurrected for judgment. This is the second resurrection.
The appointed times of the autumn of the Torah and the Jewish calendar lay down the order of events of the second coming of Yeshua, just as the appointed times of the spring of the Torah and the Jewish calendar laid down the order of events of the first coming of Yeshua. After the death of the two witnesses, they will be resurrected 3 and 1/2 days later in the evening of Tishri 10, which is Yom Kippur, which is when the 1st resurrection of the dead will happen and the gathering of the people of God, which is also called the “rapture”. The great shofar will be blown on that day, which will be the 120th yovel year of the year 6,000 from creation. It is the “last trumpet” Paul spoke of when the dead are resurrected. “Trumpet” is a mistranslation, and means a wind instrument, and the last wind instrument to be sounded at the return of Yeshua will be the great shofar of Yom Kippur after the 7 trumpets of Revelation of Yom Teruah are blasted. At the 6th trumpet blast 1/3 of humanity will be killed by 200 million seraphim, taking on the form of horses of fire to gallop and slaughter.
15 days prior to the destruction of Vatican City the United States of Europe will be established. They will hate Vatican City, and expose her, ransack her, and destroy her. All central banks of the world clandestinely trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, in Vatican City, in Rome, which is why her destruction will cause the collapse of the global financial system. This is why she is also the city that has dominion over all the kings of the earth, “the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth”. Revelation 17:18. Because she rules over all nations through central banks and money.
Paper money and fiat currency are the true mark of the beast of Revelation, cursing anyone who accepts it as money, because these are false weights, which are forbidden by the Torah of God. Anyone who has accepted paper money and fiat currency will be condemned at the return of Yeshua, and will be thrown over lava like garbage, to be destroyed body and soul. Most believers have misinterpreted the prophecy of the mark of the beast foolishly thinking it was talking about microchip implants and 666 tattoos, not realizing it was figuratively talking about a form of money that all humanity would adopt to buy and sell that is forbidden, which today is paper money and fiat currency.
The destruction of Vatican City will cause this false and evil form of money to collapse, and it will enter a state of hyperinflation. People will not be able to buy and sell. There will be famine. There will be riots and looting and utter chaos. Public services will be interrupted. The words of Ezekiel will be fulfilled, that money will be thrown on the streets like garbage, for gold and silver was money in the times of Ezekiel. As it is written, “they will cast their silver into the streets, and their gold will become an unclean thing. Their silver and gold will not able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Master”. Ezekiel 7:19.
And the Roman popes are the true antichrist of Revelation, ruling the world as kings from Vatican City, in Rome, and issuing paper money and fiat currency to all humanity from all the central banks all over the world, which are the mark of the beast of Revelation. The “antichrist” is a succession of Roman authority, who were formerly called “emperors”, then were called “popes”. And each one has been the antichrist one after the other throughout time, under different titles and names. They have all collectively fulfilled the prophecies of the antichrist, which is what confuses many believers, expecting only one man to fulfill all the prophecies regarding the antichrist. The first antichrist the early believers were expecting was Titus, who became emperor of Rome, and he destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and setup the abomination of desolation at the temple, which was an image of Caesar, who was a former emperor of Rome. And he and the image of Caesar were worshiped at the temple, according to the writings of Josephus. And then the succession continued, and the emperors became popes. And they established a new religion, mixing their former paganism with the teachings of Yeshua, but discarded the Jewish Torah that they hated. And so catholicism was birthed from them, which then gave birth to protestantism today. Which are all false religions because they all discard obedience to the Torah of Moses, which is what Yeshua taught, in the context of belief in him. Which is why he said, “I did not come to abolish the Torah”. And this is ultimately why the antichrist is also called the “man of lawlessness”, because he teaches the world to discard the Law of God, which is the Torah of Moses. And all central banks of the world trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, in Vatican City, in Rome. This is why the 4th beast of Daniel, which represents Rome, ends up devouring the entire earth by the time Yeshua returns. Rome was also the 6th head of the 1st beast of Revelation, which is the head that was healed from its mortal wound. Because even though Rome declined, it persisted, and eventually became Vatican City as we know it today, a global religion centered there promulgating a false gospel to all humanity under a false name “Jesus”, and also a global financial system centered there, in the city of seven mountains, which is Rome. Yet the world does not understand nor perceive, and many believers have been utterly deceived. It is shocking how all these prophecies came into fulfillment.
Every so often I like to check in on our friend-- the OP gavaria christian alvarez (gone, but not forgotten-- the homosexual prophet who burned his cash, stockpiled food, warned us of global drought and wannabe witness) ..... Here is a snipped version of one of his latest warnings>>>
In around 25 months from now Vatican City is going to be destroyed, which will cause all fiat currencies in the world to enter a state of hyperinflation. This will happen in the spring of 2026 AD around 6 months prior to the year 6,000 in the autumn of 2026 AD, which will be the time of the return of Yeshua, which will also be precisely 2,000 years since the anointing of Yeshua in 26 AD. Vatican City is the true prostitute of Babylon of Revelation, and just as the prophecy in Revelation states, she will be destroyed by the beast and its 10 horns, which symbolizes the newly formed United States of Europe and its 10 nations that will give it authority.
Anytime now the two witnesses of Revelation are going to appear to all humanity, who have been anointed since last year in Nisan 15. They will destroy the Dome of the Rock, and through them the third temple will be constructed quickly, just in time for the return of Yeshua in 2 years from now in 2026 AD. They have now been prophesying for 290 days, and only 970 days are now left until they are killed in Jerusalem by the newly formed United States of Europe. Almost one quarter of the total 1,260 days they have been appointed to prophesy has passed. They will die in the morning of Jerusalem time around 12 hours after the 6th trumpet blast in the evening of Tishri 6, and then around 12 hours later the 7th trumpet will be blasted in the evening of Tishri 7, and Yeshua will begin to rule the earth.
The 7 trumpets of Revelation will be blasted for 7 days on Yom Teruah, beginning in Tishri 1 to Tishri 7. The descension of Yeshua will happen in the morning of Elul 22, which 7 and 1/2 days prior to the 1st trumpet blast. This is the 1/2 hour prophetic hour of silence in heaven, because the celestial city will be left alone when Yeshua descends onto the earth, because he will descend unto the earth with all his 400 million angels, which never in the history of humanity has happened. And at the command of Yeshua, all his armies of angels will capture all humanity, to bring them to the Valley of Jehoshaphat, to judge them there. Those who are chosen to inherit the kingdom of Yeshua will sit in thrones there and will help judge all humanity during that time, which will take no longer than 5 months. And this will be the judgment of the living. The judgment of the dead will happen around 1,000 years later when the millennial rulership of Yeshua comes to an end, and the dead will be resurrected for judgment. This is the second resurrection.
The appointed times of the autumn of the Torah and the Jewish calendar lay down the order of events of the second coming of Yeshua, just as the appointed times of the spring of the Torah and the Jewish calendar laid down the order of events of the first coming of Yeshua. After the death of the two witnesses, they will be resurrected 3 and 1/2 days later in the evening of Tishri 10, which is Yom Kippur, which is when the 1st resurrection of the dead will happen and the gathering of the people of God, which is also called the “rapture”. The great shofar will be blown on that day, which will be the 120th yovel year of the year 6,000 from creation. It is the “last trumpet” Paul spoke of when the dead are resurrected. “Trumpet” is a mistranslation, and means a wind instrument, and the last wind instrument to be sounded at the return of Yeshua will be the great shofar of Yom Kippur after the 7 trumpets of Revelation of Yom Teruah are blasted. At the 6th trumpet blast 1/3 of humanity will be killed by 200 million seraphim, taking on the form of horses of fire to gallop and slaughter.
15 days prior to the destruction of Vatican City the United States of Europe will be established. They will hate Vatican City, and expose her, ransack her, and destroy her. All central banks of the world clandestinely trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, in Vatican City, in Rome, which is why her destruction will cause the collapse of the global financial system. This is why she is also the city that has dominion over all the kings of the earth, “the woman that you saw is the great city that has dominion over the kings of the earth”. Revelation 17:18. Because she rules over all nations through central banks and money.
Paper money and fiat currency are the true mark of the beast of Revelation, cursing anyone who accepts it as money, because these are false weights, which are forbidden by the Torah of God. Anyone who has accepted paper money and fiat currency will be condemned at the return of Yeshua, and will be thrown over lava like garbage, to be destroyed body and soul. Most believers have misinterpreted the prophecy of the mark of the beast foolishly thinking it was talking about microchip implants and 666 tattoos, not realizing it was figuratively talking about a form of money that all humanity would adopt to buy and sell that is forbidden, which today is paper money and fiat currency.
The destruction of Vatican City will cause this false and evil form of money to collapse, and it will enter a state of hyperinflation. People will not be able to buy and sell. There will be famine. There will be riots and looting and utter chaos. Public services will be interrupted. The words of Ezekiel will be fulfilled, that money will be thrown on the streets like garbage, for gold and silver was money in the times of Ezekiel. As it is written, “they will cast their silver into the streets, and their gold will become an unclean thing. Their silver and gold will not able to deliver them in the day of the wrath of the Master”. Ezekiel 7:19.
And the Roman popes are the true antichrist of Revelation, ruling the world as kings from Vatican City, in Rome, and issuing paper money and fiat currency to all humanity from all the central banks all over the world, which are the mark of the beast of Revelation. The “antichrist” is a succession of Roman authority, who were formerly called “emperors”, then were called “popes”. And each one has been the antichrist one after the other throughout time, under different titles and names. They have all collectively fulfilled the prophecies of the antichrist, which is what confuses many believers, expecting only one man to fulfill all the prophecies regarding the antichrist. The first antichrist the early believers were expecting was Titus, who became emperor of Rome, and he destroyed Jerusalem and the temple and setup the abomination of desolation at the temple, which was an image of Caesar, who was a former emperor of Rome. And he and the image of Caesar were worshiped at the temple, according to the writings of Josephus. And then the succession continued, and the emperors became popes. And they established a new religion, mixing their former paganism with the teachings of Yeshua, but discarded the Jewish Torah that they hated. And so catholicism was birthed from them, which then gave birth to protestantism today. Which are all false religions because they all discard obedience to the Torah of Moses, which is what Yeshua taught, in the context of belief in him. Which is why he said, “I did not come to abolish the Torah”. And this is ultimately why the antichrist is also called the “man of lawlessness”, because he teaches the world to discard the Law of God, which is the Torah of Moses. And all central banks of the world trace back to one bank, the Vatican Bank, in Vatican City, in Rome. This is why the 4th beast of Daniel, which represents Rome, ends up devouring the entire earth by the time Yeshua returns. Rome was also the 6th head of the 1st beast of Revelation, which is the head that was healed from its mortal wound. Because even though Rome declined, it persisted, and eventually became Vatican City as we know it today, a global religion centered there promulgating a false gospel to all humanity under a false name “Jesus”, and also a global financial system centered there, in the city of seven mountains, which is Rome. Yet the world does not understand nor perceive, and many believers have been utterly deceived. It is shocking how all these prophecies came into fulfillment.
Eternally Grateful
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I am going to assume you are a jew?
Can you tell me what Moses said the requirement of the law was? What was required to keep the law?
Ronald Nolette
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Well as you onbly posted a one minute video with no running writing on it, What was there to read?
Please relook at you rpost 53 which said this should answer my question as to the name of Yahweh known by Abraham and moses and Israel before it was given on Sinai!
BlessedPeace
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I posted this link initially.
The Written Torah and the Oral Torah | My Jewish Learning
Formulation of the Oral Torah. Gemara and The Talmud. Texts on Jewish Law. Jewish Texts.
www.myjewishlearning.com
No idea how a YT video replaced it. But that should assist your understanding.
The fruits of the Spirit are aspects of God's character.
God's holy days foreshadow was is to come, so we should testify about the truth of what is to come by continuing to observe them rather than a way that denies the truth of what is to come.
The Bible often uses the same terms to describe the character of God as it does to describe the character of the Torah, such as with it being holy, righteous, and good (Romans 7:12) and with justice, mercy, and faithfulness being weightier matters of the Torah, so the fruits of the Spirit fulfill the Torah because they are obeying it as it should be.
God's holy days testify about the character of God rather than us expressing the character of God.
The Torah was given for our own good in order to bless us, not with the goal of cursing us. The Torah is God's instructions for how to bear fruit and obeying it is the way to abide in Christ, which is why he said that if we keep his commandments, we will abide in his love, just as he kept his Father's commandments and abided in His love (John 15:10). Likewise, in 1 John 2:6, those who are in Christ are obligated to walk in the same way he walked.
In Jeremiah 31:33, the New Covenant involves God putting the Torah in our minds and writing it on our hearts, so obedience to the New Covenant is based on obedience to the Torah through faith in Christ, which brings a blessing on all who choose to obey it.
The Mosaic and New Covenants are both based on the Torah. In Titus 2:14, Jesus gave himself to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Torah is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross (Acts 21:20).
The Mosaic Covenant is eternal (Exodus 31:14-17, Leviticus 24:8), so the only way for the New Covenant to replace it is if the New Covenant does everything that it does plus more, which is what it means to make something obsolete (Hebrews 8:13). So the New Covenant still involves following the Torah (Hebrews 8:10), plus it is based on better promises and has a superior mediator (Hebrews 8:6).
Obedience to the Torah is the way to have faith in Christ and to walk after the Spirit of Christ, which brings a blessing for those who obey it. In Ezekiel 36:26-27, the Spirit has the role of leading us to obey the Torah, in John 16:13, the Spirit has the role of leading us in truth, and in Psalms 119:142, the Torah is truth. In Romans 8:4-7, those who walk in the Spirit are contrasted with those who have minds set on the flesh who are enemies of God who refuse to submit to the Torah. In Galatians 5:19-23, everything listed as works of the flesh that are against the Spirit are also against the Torah while all of the fruits of the Spirit are in accordance with it. After all, the Torah was given by God and the Spirit is God, so it is the Law of the Spirit.
1.) You shall not commit murder.
2.) This person has was charged with committing murder.
The first is an example of a law that is for our own good while the second is an example of a handwritten ordinance that was against someone that was nailed to their cross to announce why they were being executed. Likewise, in Matthew 27:37, they nailed the charge that was against Jesus to his cross that he was the King of the Jews, so what was not nailed to crosses was not the laws themselves such that they needed to legislate new laws against murder every time someone was crucified for doing that, but rather what was nailed to crosses (aside form the person) was a sign that listed the changes that were against them. This first perfectly with the concept of the list of our sins being nailed to Christ's cross and with him dying in our place to pay the penalty for our sins, but has nothing to do with nailing the Mosaic Law to the cross. In Titus 2:14, it does not say that Jesus gave himself to free us from the Mosaic Law, but in order to redeem us from all lawlessness and to purify for himself a people of his own possession who are zealous for doing good works, so becoming zealous for doing good works in obedience to the Mosaic Law is the way to believe in what Jesus accomplished through the cross while returning to the lawlessness that he gave himself to redeem us from is the way to reject what he accomplished.
The Bible never lists which laws are part of the moral law and never even refers to that as being category of law. The existence of that category would imply that we can be acting morally while disobeying the laws that are not in that category, but there is no example in the Bible where disobedience to God is said to be moral, nor do I see justification for thinking that it can ever be moral to disobey God. Morality is in regard to what we ought to do and we ought to obey God, so all of God's laws are inherently moral laws. Legislators give laws according to what they think ought to be done, so for someone to claim that some of God's laws are not moral laws is to claim that God made a moral error about what ought to be done when He gave those laws and is therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God.
In Mark 7:1-13, Jesus criticized the Pharisees as being hypocrites for setting aside the commands of God in order to establish their own traditions, so Jesus should not be interpreted as turning around and even more hypocritically doing what he just finished criticizing them as being hypocrites for doing.
Paul described those who were judging the Colossians as promoting human precepts and teachings, self-made religion, asceticism, and severity to the body, which means that they were being judged by pagan because they were keeping God's holy days. This has nothing to do with setting the stage for a new law.
While God command priests to rest on the Sabbath, He also commanded priests to make offerings on the Sabbath (Numbers 28:9-10), however, it was not the case that they were forced to sin by breaking one of the two commands no matter what they chose to do, but that the lesser command was never intended to be understood as preventing the greater command from being obeyed. This is why Jesus said in Matthew 12:1-8 that priests who did their duties on the Sabbath were held innocent, why David and his men were held innocent, and why Jesus defended his disciples as being innocent. This has nothing to do with having the authority to make changes to what God has commanded, but rather according to Deuteronomy 4:2, it is a sin to add to or subtract from the Mosaic Law.
In Romans 2:13, Paul said that only doers of the Mosaic Law will be justified, and in Romans 2:14-15, he said that believing Gentiles will by nature be doers of the Mosaic Law. This has nothing to do with being bound by a natural law.
Do tell how we can know that those actions are immoral by reason alone.
The Israelites worshiped God on every day, which included obeying His command to keep the 7th day holy. It is impossible to worship God instead of obeying His instructions for how to worship Him. God commanded His people to keep the 7th day holy, so we can choose to trust God with all of our heart by obeying His command or we can lean on our own understanding by doing what is right in our own eyes.
Zao is life
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You are obsessed with the flesh producing the fruit of the Spirit through obedience to the torah, which is the shadow of the fruit of the Spirit, and which the flesh cannot produce, because only Christ was able to do that.
The law written on our hearts as promised in the New Covenant through Jeremiah is the fruit of the Spirit which is not lawless but fulfills the shadow (torah) and is only produced through abiding in the fruit-producing Vine through faith in Him (Christ).
The torah of the flesh that you seek to obey will keep you under the curse.
Illuminator
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I wasn't referring to moral lists in the OT. I said: "many dietary regulations which were instituted as a preparation for his teaching on the moral law."
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I agree, but I don't know how you can conclude "disobedience to God is said to be moral" I made no such implication.
No, they are not. I already explained this.
I don't confuse natural law with moral law. The ban on eating pork/shellfish has nothing to do with morality. "therefore to claim to have greater moral knowledge than God." is a non-sequitur fallacy.
So why bring it up?
David and his men were held innocent, yet they ate the shewbread when they were not supposed to. Jesus is clarifying priorities. Human need trumps religious tenets in this case. The soldiers were exempt from violating the law according to Jesus Himself.
Yes, it does. The Gentiles are not bound by Mosaic Law. First you say, "believing Gentiles will by nature be doers of the Mosaic Law", then you contradict yourself by saying "This has nothing to do with being bound by a natural law." Having sex with an animal violates the natural law, it's repulsive to anybody regardless of their beliefs. It's a perversion. Nobody needs a Bible to prove sperm united with poop is disgusting.
I just did.
Similarly, we can know by reason alone that we are obliged to worship our Creator. But can we really know in the same way that such worship should take place on Saturday every week? Of course not! That part of the Sabbath commandment is not part of the natural law at all but was simply a law imposed upon the Jews for the discipline of their nation. Other people had the authority to choose for themselves the time they set aside for worship. (such as the Apostles who worshipped on the first day of the week) For Christians now, it makes sense to do this on Sunday, the Lord's Day, the first day of the week.
If keeping a Saturday Sabbath is more important than the Resurrection, you should correct Jesus for rising on the wrong day.
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Illuminator
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1749 Freedom makes man a moral subject. When he acts deliberately, man is, so to speak, the father of his acts. Human acts, that is, acts that are freely chosen in consequence of a judgment of conscience, can be morally evaluated. They are either good or evil.
I. THE SOURCES OF MORALITY
1750 The morality of human acts depends on:
- the object chosen;
- the end in view or the intention;
- the circumstances of the action.
The object, the intention, and the circumstances make up the "sources," or constitutive elements, of the morality of human acts.
1751 The object chosen is a good toward which the will deliberately directs itself. It is the matter of a human act. The object chosen morally specifies the act of the will, insofar as reason recognizes and judges it to be or not to be in conformity with the true good. Objective norms of morality express the rational order of good and evil, attested to by conscience.
1752 In contrast to the object, the intention resides in the acting subject. Because it lies at the voluntary source of an action and determines it by its end, intention is an element essential to the moral evaluation of an action. The end is the first goal of the intention and indicates the purpose pursued in the action. The intention is a movement of the will toward the end: it is concerned with the goal of the activity. It aims at the good anticipated from the action undertaken. Intention is not limited to directing individual actions, but can guide several actions toward one and the same purpose; it can orient one's whole life toward its ultimate end. For example, a service done with the end of helping one's neighbor can at the same time be inspired by the love of God as the ultimate end of all our actions. One and the same action can also be inspired by several intentions, such as performing a service in order to obtain a favor or to boast about it.
1753 A good intention (for example, that of helping one's neighbor) does not make behavior that is intrinsically disordered, such as lying and calumny, good or just. The end does not justify the means. Thus the condemnation of an innocent person cannot be justified as a legitimate means of saving the nation. On the other hand, an added bad intention (such as vainglory) makes an act evil that, in and of itself, can be good (such as almsgiving).39
1754 The circumstances, including the consequences, are secondary elements of a moral act. They contribute to increasing or diminishing the moral goodness or evil of human acts (for example, the amount of a theft). They can also diminish or increase the agent's responsibility (such as acting out of a fear of death). Circumstances of themselves cannot change the moral quality of acts themselves; they can make neither good nor right an action that is in itself evil.
II. GOOD ACTS AND EVIL ACTS
1755 A morally good act requires the goodness of the object, of the end, and of the circumstances together. An evil end corrupts the action, even if the object is good in itself (such as praying and fasting "in order to be seen by men").
The object of the choice can by itself vitiate an act in its entirety. There are some concrete acts - such as fornication - that it is always wrong to choose, because choosing them entails a disorder of the will, that is, a moral evil.
1756 It is therefore an error to judge the morality of human acts by considering only the intention that inspires them or the circumstances (environment, social pressure, duress or emergency, etc.) which supply their context. There are acts which, in and of themselves, independently of circumstances and intentions, are always gravely illicit by reason of their object; such as blasphemy and perjury, murder and adultery. One may not do evil so that good may result from it.
Ronald Nolette
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Well what are called the "oral torah" is not SCripture. The totality of them start as the Sepherim. The tanaim, the Gemera, and the Talmud. They are quotes of quoited of rabbis and give opinion and commentary much like the commentaries in Christianity today.I posted this link initially.
The Written Torah and the Oral Torah | My Jewish Learning
Formulation of the Oral Torah. Gemara and The Talmud. Texts on Jewish Law. Jewish Texts.
No idea how a YT video replaced it. But that should assist your understanding.
There is no way to validate the supposed original "oral torah".
BlessedPeace
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There's no way to validate the oral Gospel of Jesus Christ. Because early Christians did not have a new testament Bible,nor any written scripture relating his teachings until well after he departed.
The supposed writings of his Apostles later were not written by them. Those texts are anonymous.
Ronald Nolette
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True. But you discount that god was not able to have recorded and passed down all that was necessary for a believer to grown in grace and to be conformed to the image of Jesus.
We have the letters and gospels that were recorded and under the guidance of the Holy Spirit, deemed to become the New Testament. So all "oral teachings" must ve measured by the New Testament which iis the inspired canonized word of God.
BlessedPeace
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You forget. There is no way to measure the oral teachings against what came after.
Over 40 authors ,over many centuries,drafted what we today call the canon of scripture.
I don't discount the measure of influence man had on writing the word of God down.
What many don't consider is this.
When God decides to talk to me in writing,given we know all of existence is proof of God, God's written word would be perfect from the first. And would never ever change due to his power to preserve it.
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