You ever here this question from non-believers? Why did God kill in the OT and say Love others in the NT ?

[pandaflower]

God is prepared to die, as much as He is prepared to kill (selah)

Except God cannot die.

 

[Gottservant]

Except God cannot die.

Not being able to die, does not mean He does not prepare for death.

"It is appointed for a man once to die and then the judgment" - if God does not prepare for the death of man, how can the man be judged?

 

[pandaflower]

Not being able to die, does not mean He does not prepare for death.

"It is appointed for a man once to die and then the judgment" - if God does not prepare for the death of man, how can the man be judged?

That's not what you stated in your post #20.

 

[XtraPercept]

God is prepared to die, as much as He is prepared to kill (selah)

And what a pleasure to join Him in every regard!

 

[quietthinker]

You ever here this question from non-believers? Why did God kill in the OT and say Love others in the NT ?​

Attributing the cause of death to God has ever been the Devil's objective. It matters not in which Testament.

Projection is the oldest trick in the book. It began among humans with our first parents and their children have inherited the miserable state.
Here is what Jesus says about origins.....contrasting the objectives of two opposing sides.....and just in case you are not sure who the thief is, he is referring to the Devil.

John 10:10
"The thief comes only to steal and kill and destroy. I came that they may have life and have it abundantly."

...and here's a belated edit:

 

[Rockerduck]

God in the Old Testament was not a personal God as now that we have through Jesus Christ in the New Testament. It is easy for a non-Christian to misinterpret. But Christians have the understanding between the OT and the NT because the Holy Spirit gives us the enhanced ability to read the bible and have understanding.

 

[Nameaboveallnames]

God was hardening Pharaoh's heart, but at first Pharaoh agreed to release the Israelites, but then he changed his mind.

I don't fully understand God's purpose in doing this. Maybe it just shows that man has free will, but free will is limited before God.

Why Did God Harden Pharaoh's Heart?

It seems like God took away Pharaoh's free will when He hardened his heart – how could He do that? In this video, Rabbi Fohrman pursues the question of free will. Watch here!

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[Lambano]

God in the Old Testament was not a personal God as now that we have through Jesus Christ in the New Testament. It is easy for a non-Christian to misinterpret. But Christians have the understanding between the OT and the NT because the Holy Spirit gives us the enhanced ability to read the bible and have understanding.

"Marcionism is considered a heretical belief system that emerged in the 2nd century, founded by Marcion of Sinope. It posited that the God of the Old Testament was a lesser, vengeful deity, distinct from the benevolent God revealed through Jesus in the New Testament, leading to Marcion's excommunication from the early Christian church."

Marcion lives on in the 21st century.

 

[Lambano]

You ever here this question from non-believers? Why did God kill in the OT and say Love others in the NT ?​

I have heard that question from both believers and non-believers. I don't have a good answer for that.

I do like my Catholic neighbor's answer: "Maybe God mellowed out a bit after having a kid?"

 

[Rockerduck]

"Marcionism is considered a heretical belief system that emerged in the 2nd century, founded by Marcion of Sinope. It posited that the God of the Old Testament was a lesser, vengeful deity, distinct from the benevolent God revealed through Jesus in the New Testament, leading to Marcion's excommunication from the early Christian church."

Marcion lives on in the 21st century.

Your point?

 

[Behold]

Prior to the ascension of Christ, man could not possess the indwelling Spirit.

You are incorrect.

If you read John 20:22.......we see that the risen Jesus is still on the earth, and He just gave the 11 Apostle the Holy Spirit.
This was BEFORE Pentecost.

 

[XtraPercept]

You are incorrect.

If you read John 20:22.......we see that the risen Jesus is still on the earth, and He just gave the 11 Apostle the Holy Spirit.
This was BEFORE Pentecost.

Perhaps you are correct. I will need to investigate this further before I can revisit this topic with Certainty. Thank you for your contention.

 

[quietthinker]

You ever here this question from non-believers? Why did God kill in the OT and say Love others in the NT ?​

I have heard that question from both believers and non-believers. I don't have a good answer for that.

I do like my Catholic neighbor's answer: "Maybe God mellowed out a bit after having a kid?"

Lambano, I'm surprised you do not have an answer.
If we 'deify' the bible; if we forget that the 'ancient' generations had a skewed picture of God and wrote from that perspective, we will no doubt arrive at the conclusion that God is schizophrenic.

All that changes when we SEE Jesus who is the total representation of God. I hope you haven't forgotten the transfiguration event and what the voice told Peter, James and John.

 

[Gottservant]

That's not what you stated in your post #20.

I said "God is prepared to die", then I tried to explain that "being prepared to die, enables God to help Man face death"

This is the Golden Rule for God: God does not judge the death of a Man, without being prepared to die Himself.

 

[pandaflower]

I said "God is prepared to die", then I tried to explain that "being prepared to die, enables God to help Man face death"

This is the Golden Rule for God: God does not judge the death of a Man, without being prepared to die Himself.

I got you the first time.

Christians do not worship a God that can die.

 

[Gottservant]

I got you the first time.

Christians do not worship a God that can die.

The Lord lives, before God is able to die, but God does not let the Lord live, if not dying would kill a creature He has created.

In other words, God may not die, but His desire that none perish, means that He waits until Death has died.

 

[XtraPercept]

The Lord lives, before God is able to die, but God does not let the Lord live, if not dying would kill a creature He has created.

In other words, God may not die, but His desire that none perish, means that He waits until Death has died.

I write with humility, this is not to challenge. I inquire on account of my own learning and a desire to share in yours.

In the apocryphal book "The Wisdom of Solomon," it is recorded that the Lord did not create anything He hates, that he loves all of His creation, and that He did not create death. But we see in John's Revelation that death will not go peacefully in the night, rather it will be cast into everlasting judgement at The End.

My question is a request for clarification regarding your meaning, as the Lord indeed lives and His will is unobstructed. There is nothing He cannot do except betray Himself, but a betrayal of perfection would be falsehood and He has none. To put this simply, I am unsure what you are trying to say here and would urge you to expound.

 

[Windmill Charge]

I got you the first time.

Christians do not worship a God that can die.

No Christians worship a God who died and rose from the dead.

 

[Windmill Charge]

This is the Golden Rule for God: God does not judge the death of a Man, without being prepared to die Himself

God judges all mankind because he is there creator and has the legal and moral right to judge mankind.
Jesus died and rose to redeem those who will believe in him. His death has nothing to do with how we face death.

 

[Windmill Charge]

Well this is just plain wrong. You deny the founding premise of the Master's sacrifice! You would say that Jesus lied? Or who do you say that Christians worship?

I am a Christian, imbued with the Spirit of the Creator, purified by His shed blood, unified with Him through His propitiatory death upon His cross, raised with Him in His glorious resurrection, and thus I most certainly worship a God who died and r

Sorry I missed the comma, it should have read.
No, Christians worship a God who died and rose again.
Not no Christians worship.