You have to walk perfect in heaven

[Stumpmaster]

Interesting as it dismisses Karma and then talks a lot about reaping what you sow, which is Karma-like.

1. Etymology:
   • The term “karma” originated from Sanskrit (कर्म) and Pali (kamma), both meaning “action,” “work,” or “deed.” It is related to the Sanskrit word “krnoti,” which translates to “makes” or “forms” 1.
   • In Buddhism, karma refers to the sum of a person’s actions in one life, determining their form in the next 1.

The problem is that karma is a concept imbedded in false religion. In Buddhism there is no God or gods, so who or what is judging people's actions and dishing out their reward or punishment?

 

[dev553344]

Satan sinned while in Heaven. That's how sin later entered this world. Because sin pre-existed Eden in Heaven.

Interesting notion you have going here.

If Christ restores us to be with God in Heaven how could we possess any capacity for faultering?

Yes I don't think we faulter in heaven.

 

[dev553344]

1. Etymology:
   • The term “karma” originated from Sanskrit (कर्म) and Pali (kamma), both meaning “action,” “work,” or “deed.” It is related to the Sanskrit word “krnoti,” which translates to “makes” or “forms” 1.
   • In Buddhism, karma refers to the sum of a person’s actions in one life, determining their form in the next 1.

The problem is that karma is a concept imbedded in false religion. In Buddhism there is no God or gods, so who or what is judging people's actions and dishing out their reward or punishment?

Well if we really consider Jesus the perfect sacrifice and the spotless lamb, then why did he have to be perfect. Was it because God required it or was there some natural law of physics that he was avoiding.

 

[Debp]

Christ restores us to be with God, if we faulter in heaven we are damned. Something the second book of Enoch describes.

Dev, please don't go by the book of Enoch. It is not in the Canon (Bible books that are divinely inspired). That teaching from Enoch about being damned in Heaven if we falter is not a Biblical teaching.

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What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? If the Book of Jude quotes from the book of Enoch, why isn’t the book of Enoch in the Bible?

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[Debp]

Well if we really consider Jesus the perfect sacrifice and the spotless lamb, then why did he have to be perfect. Was it because God required it or was there some natural law of physics that he was avoiding.

Jesus had to be perfect (without sin) in order to be the blood sacrifice for our sins. The sacrifice must be without any blemish in order to be offered for our sins.

 

[dev553344]

Dev, please don't go by the book of Enoch. It is not in the Canon (Bible books that are divinely inspired). That teaching from Enoch about being damned in Heaven if we falter is not a Biblical teaching.

How and when was the canon of the Bible put together? | GotQuestions.org

How and when was the canon of the Bible put together? Who decided what books belonged in the Bible?

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What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? | GotQuestions.org

What is the book of Enoch and should it be in the Bible? If the Book of Jude quotes from the book of Enoch, why isn’t the book of Enoch in the Bible?

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Debp, I had a vision of God the Father and he spoke to me from heaven teaching me to worship his son. It was the same image recorded in the second book of Enoch. So I will choose to listen.

 

[Debp]

Debp, I had a vision of God the Father and he spoke to me from heaven teaching me to worship his son. It was the same image recorded in the second book of Enoch. So I will choose to listen.

Christ restores us to be with God, if we faulter in heaven we are damned. Something the second book of Enoch describes.

Dev, just remember the book of Enoch is not in the Biblical Canon because it is not divinely inspired.

If the book of Enoch goes against what the inspired Word of God (Bible) teaches us, we must be very careful.

 

[Webers_Home]

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When I was a young guy coming of age, it occurred to me that it would be
the cat's meow if I were as naturally pleasing to God as His son Jesus always
is, because then it would be very easy to attain to Heaven, and to stay in
Heaven, without fear of being kicked out:

"He that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do
always those things that please Him." (John 8:29)

I was very surprised, and excited, upon discovering that something very
similar to the very thing I wished for is contained in a promise that God
made to Moses' people.

● Ezek 36:24-27 . . I will gather you up from all the nations and bring you
home again to your land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you
will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship
idols. And I will give you a new heart with new and right desires, and I will
put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony heart of sin and give you a
new, obedient heart. And I will put My spirit in you so you will obey My laws
and do whatever I command. (cf. Jer 31:31-33)

That benefit was originally intended for the Jews but anon became available
to Gentiles too.

● Isa 49:5-6 . . And now The Lord says-- he who formed me in the womb to
be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I
am honored in the eyes of The Lord and my God has been my strength --He
says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of
Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light
for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."
(cf. Eph 2:11-19)

And sure enough, the benefit is reiterated in the New Testament per 2Pet
1:3-4 which says:

"His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness
through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness.
Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that
through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the
corruption that's in the world."

I should think it goes without saying that the divine nature would be a whole
lots more successful at producing an acceptable level of piety than the
human nature could ever hope for because even at its best the human
nature is corrupt; which is translated from a Greek word basically pertaining
to damaged goods, i.e. broken.
_

 

[dev553344]

~
When I was a young guy coming of age, it occurred to me that it would be
the cat's meow if I were as naturally pleasing to God as His son Jesus always
is, because then it would be very easy to attain to Heaven, and to stay in
Heaven, without fear of being kicked out:

"He that sent me is with me: the Father has not left me alone; for I do
always those things that please Him." (John 8:29)

I was very surprised, and excited, upon discovering that something very
similar to the very thing I wished for is contained in a promise that God
made to Moses' people.

● Ezek 36:24-27 . . I will gather you up from all the nations and bring you
home again to your land. Then I will sprinkle clean water on you, and you
will be clean. Your filth will be washed away, and you will no longer worship
idols. And I will give you a new heart with new and right desires, and I will
put a new spirit in you. I will take out your stony heart of sin and give you a
new, obedient heart. And I will put My spirit in you so you will obey My laws
and do whatever I command. (cf. Jer 31:31-33)

That benefit was originally intended for the Jews but anon became available
to Gentiles too.

● Isa 49:5-6 . . And now The Lord says-- he who formed me in the womb to
be his servant to bring Jacob back to him and gather Israel to himself, for I
am honored in the eyes of The Lord and my God has been my strength --He
says: "It is too small a thing for you to be my servant to restore the tribes of
Jacob and bring back those of Israel I have kept. I will also make you a light
for the Gentiles, that you may bring my salvation to the ends of the earth."
(cf. Eph 2:11-19)

And sure enough, the benefit is reiterated in the New Testament per 2Pet
1:3-4 which says:

"His divine power has given us everything we need for life and godliness
through our knowledge of Him who called us by His own glory and goodness.
Through these He has given us His very great and precious promises, so that
through them you may participate in the divine nature and escape the
corruption that's in the world."

I should think it goes without saying that the divine nature would be a whole
lots more successful at producing an acceptable level of piety than the
human nature could ever hope for because even at its best the human
nature is corrupt; which is translated from a Greek word basically pertaining
to damaged goods, i.e. broken.
_

Yes that sounds correct which is why Paul said the human does not inherit the kingdom of God, but we will be changed and into an incorruptable form:

1 Corinthians 15:50 Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. 51 Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed—

This concept highlights the Karma-like kinetics that could damage a corruptible human if they were to try to be in heaven.

 

[MA2444]

We don't work to be saved or stay saved but, once we arrive in Heaven we have to work to stay there?

It's not like that. The Lord gave us free will and then let us into heaven so it's reasonable to assume that he would not revoke it. He gave it to us. I believe Angels have free will also. How else could Lucifer fall himself?

So we will retain our consciences and will have to mind our P's & Q's

I heard a testimony from a man who was taken up in spirit to visit Heaven. He had a guide Angel and they were standing there talking and the man was watching another Angel speak to Jesus there in front of him. And he said that when the Angel finished talking to Jesus and turned to leave, he didnt turn, he took two steps backwards and then turned away to go his own way.

In that way he didnt turn his back on the Lord! Respect. Protocol. Heavenly Ethics!

 

[MA2444]

I studied the bible and found a Karma principle that I see. That your sins come back and kill you. So that we must after being forgiven and resurrected walk perfect in heaven.

Ideas?

Yeah. Obey and walk humbly.

 

[dev553344]

Yeah. Obey and walk humbly.

It's more than that. We will not be in corruptable bodies anymore. That is what 1 Corinthians 15:50-51 mean.

Have you ever been filled with a heavenly measure of the Holy Spirit? If you have then you know that when that happens you have no desire to do evil. It is God's nature.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Paul said the human does not inherit the kingdom of God

Jesus is in Heaven (Col 3:1) and he is there as an h.sapiens.

● 1Tim 2:5 . . There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a
man, Christ Jesus.

The Greek word translated "men" is the same word translated "a man". It's
derived from anthropos (anth'-ro-pos) --a common word for humans in the
New Testament; which is why that passage doesn't say the one mediator is
an angel. No it doesn't say an angel; rather, it says a man.

Jesus, the heavenly man, is capable of dining upon ordinary foods and
beverages.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my
kingdom

* The kingdom spoken of won't be managed by celestial beings, rather, by
human beings. (Heb 2:5-9)

FAQ: What does Paul mean by 1Cor 15:50?

REP:Y: The flesh and blood he wrote of is that of this present world rather
than the next, i.e. Adam's. (1Cor 15:47-49)
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[dev553344]

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Jesus is in Heaven (Col 3:1) and he is there as an h.sapiens.

● 1Tim 2:5 . . There is one God, and one mediator between God and men, a
man, Christ Jesus.

The Greek word translated "men" is the same word translated "a man". It's
derived from anthropos (anth'-ro-pos) --a common word for humans in the
New Testament; which is why that passage doesn't say the one mediator is
an angel. No it doesn't say an angel; rather, it says a man.

Jesus, the heavenly man, is capable of dining upon ordinary foods and
beverages.

● Matt 26:29 . . I tell you: I will not drink of this fruit of the vine from now
on until that day when I drink it anew with you in my Father's kingdom.

● Luke 22:15-16 . . I have eagerly desired to eat this Passover with you
before I suffer. For I tell you: I will not eat it again until it finds fulfillment in
the kingdom of God.

● Luke 22:28-30 . .You are the ones that have stuck with me in my trials;
and I make a covenant with you, just as my Father has made a covenant
with me, for a kingdom, that you may eat and drink at my table in my
kingdom

* The kingdom spoken of won't be managed by celestial beings, rather, by
human beings. (Heb 2:5-9)

FAQ: What does Paul mean by 1Cor 15:50?

REP:Y: The flesh and blood he wrote of is that of this present world rather
than the next, i.e. Adam's. (1Cor 15:47-49)
_

Jesus was created wit the Holy Spirit. And was transfigured before the apostles.

 

[Webers_Home]

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Jesus was created . . .

The Word's flesh (John 1:14) can be easily traced biologically to David's
flesh, and from thence biologically to Adam's flesh, and from thence to the
very dust of the ground with which Adam was constructed.

Thus it can be honestly and truly said that the Word's flesh-- a.k.a. Jesus
--is fully Man in every sense, viz: a bona fides fellow human being.

In point fact; the sentence of death per the forbidden fruit incident fell upon
Jesus just the same as all the rest of Adam's posterity so that had Jesus not
been executed, he would've eventually died of some other cause.

The Word then, came into the world as a binary person consisting of a
supernatural sprit being and a natural material being simultaneously which,
over time, has caused some really serious confusion along with beaucoup
quarreling over matters related to the so-called trinity because in reality, the
Godhead is a quartet, so to speak, per the first chapter of Ezekiel.
_

 

[BlessedPeace]

It's not like that. The Lord gave us free will and then let us into heaven so it's reasonable to assume that he would not revoke it. He gave it to us. I believe Angels have free will also. How else could Lucifer fall himself?

So we will retain our consciences and will have to mind our P's & Q's

I heard a testimony from a man who was taken up in spirit to visit Heaven. He had a guide Angel and they were standing there talking and the man was watching another Angel speak to Jesus there in front of him. And he said that when the Angel finished talking to Jesus and turned to leave, he didnt turn, he took two steps backwards and then turned away to go his own way.

In that way he didnt turn his back on the Lord! Respect. Protocol. Heavenly Ethics!

But we don't have free will. God tells us that.

We make choices we think are our own.

However, God is in control.

We say that on occasion. Yet we abandon it when it suits.

If our will controls our destiny,God is not Sovereign nor omnipotent.

 

[Starise]

I studied the bible and found a Karma principle that I see. That your sins come back and kill you. So that we must after being forgiven and resurrected walk perfect in heaven.

Ideas?

The Karma principle you speak of relates to reencarnation and is not compatible with the bible. I believe the idea that there is any kind of a relationship to the bible has been put forth. Most religion teaches that 'people should be good', this comes from our inner compass that tells us we need to be something we are not. These religions would tell us we should do something to gain goodness, and in the eastern religions transcendence.

Christianity tells us there is only one way, Jesus. We will have finally achieved our new life and wonderful future though Jesus Christ.

Remember in the last days we are told there would be many false teachers and false christs. There will be strong delusions.
The only ones to escape it are believers firmly rooted and grounded in Jesus who have accepted His gift of salvation. The old saying, "What goes around comes around" is stating a law as evident as the laws of physics. No karma necessary.

If we do bad things, we bring bad things on ourselves. Either to our health or to others. It damages us and others. The tendency to do bad things is the reason Christ came to save us. We have that inherent sin. In Christ that sin is forgiven.

Will we stay good in heaven? We won't have any reason not to want to be ourselves, and we will all be changed and without sin. Having seen the contrast to how we were in our old state will only serve to further our resolve never to go back there, especially if we see what happens to those we thought were so successsful without God. When we see their end that point will be driven home like no other.

 

[MA2444]

But we don't have free will. God tells us that.

We make choices we think are our own.

However, God is in control.

We say that on occasion. Yet we abandon it when it suits.

If our will controls our destiny,God is not Sovereign nor omnipotent.

It sounded like you just said that we're a bunch of robots.

So if I choose to stay home from work, I didn't do that, God did! Lol. I'm sorry but I can not agree with that.

 

[BlessedPeace]

It sounded like you just said that we're a bunch of robots.

So if I choose to stay home from work, I didn't do that, God did! Lol. I'm sorry but I can not agree with that.

The identity of,as, robotic is wholly dissimilar to what God has said.


John 3:16: “For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life.”

As long as man remains their natural mind they cannot choose Christ. As God told us.
All God teaches in within the context of his Sovereign divine will and plan. Keep that in mind and the word comes together as Holy Spirit leads us to proper understanding.


For those who live according to the flesh have their outlook shaped by[a] the things of the flesh, but those who live according to the Spirit have their outlook shaped by the things of the Spirit. 6 For the outlook[b] of the flesh is death, but the outlook of the Spirit is life and peace, 7 because the outlook of the flesh is hostile to God, for it does not submit to the law of God, nor is it able to do so. 8 Those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

1. 1 Corinthians 2:14 tn Grk “natural person.” Cf. BDAG 1100 s.v. ψυχικός a, “an unspiritual pers., one who merely functions bodily, without being touched by the Spirit of God.”

The heart of man plans his way, but the Lord establishes his steps.

Our God is in the heavens; he does all that he pleases.

Who shall bring any charge against God's elect? It is God who justifies.

And all who dwell on earth will worship it, everyone whose name has not been written before the foundation of the world in the book of life of the Lamb who was slain.

 

[dev553344]

The Karma principle you speak of relates to reencarnation and is not compatible with the bible. I believe the idea that there is any kind of a relationship to the bible has been put forth. Most religion teaches that 'people should be good', this comes from our inner compass that tells us we need to be something we are not. These religions would tell us we should do something to gain goodness, and in the eastern religions transcendence.

Christianity tells us there is only one way, Jesus. We will have finally achieved our new life and wonderful future though Jesus Christ.

Remember in the last days we are told there would be many false teachers and false christs. There will be strong delusions.
The only ones to escape it are believers firmly rooted and grounded in Jesus who have accepted His gift of salvation. The old saying, "What goes around comes around" is stating a law as evident as the laws of physics. No karma necessary.

If we do bad things, we bring bad things on ourselves. Either to our health or to others. It damages us and others. The tendency to do bad things is the reason Christ came to save us. We have that inherent sin. In Christ that sin is forgiven.

Will we stay good in heaven? We won't have any reason not to want to be ourselves, and we will all be changed and without sin. Having seen the contrast to how we were in our old state will only serve to further our resolve never to go back there, especially if we see what happens to those we thought were so successsful without God. When we see their end that point will be driven home like no other.

I don't know, but I see it as God holding onto our Karma, and then giving it back to us when He desires:

Deuteronomy 32:39 “See now that I, even I, am he, and there is no god with me: I kill, and I make alive; I wound, and I heal: neither is there any that can deliver out of my hand.”

We will not have our same bodies in heaven, I proved that thru scripture, we are corruptable as pointed out by Paul and incapable of heaven without being changed.

You're right there are false teachers, and I see a lot of people following them all.