Young rich ruler not saved, why ?

[Episkopos]

And how about all the verses others bring that you ignore and run away from because they clearly refute certain parts of your theology.

Unlike the many verses I post that never do get answered....because they haven't a clue how they apply today...I always correct the understanding of the half dozen verses or so that people have been indoctrinated into the false delusional gospel on.

Like the VERY badly translated 2 Cor 5:21. A lala land translation that has so many spoiled rich Westerners eager for judgment day. Can you say weeping and gnashing of teeth? Will these be warned? No, too spoiled. And besides their judgment is already set. Free will aside pride is just too strong in so many...they will not hear correction...so they will die.

And the very badly translated word aphesis...that actually means FREEDOM not forgiveness. Or the very poor reading of the word "imputed" to mean the very opposite of the actual english word....so much so that the dictionaries had to amend the definition to include the religious bent version.

I have refuted these errors many times...but I never get any honest reply to what I post.

 

[ProDeo]

It's a test I bring to bear. I can tell how strong the ego is by giving both a message for the inner man and a message for the outer man. I do this because I learned it from the Lord. So if all you remember are the hard things then your outer man is stronger. If you can look beyond the message to the outer man and respond from the inner man, then you are active in your inner man. If you can smile through the message to the outer man and only respond to the message to the inner man....then you are blessed...and your outer man is out of the way. Once I see that the antics of the carnal outer man have ceased...then it's all blessing. :)

Both my inner and outer man confirm the vague word ego is not in Scripture.

Scripture is not vague, but very detailed.

2Tim 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
2Tim 3:2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Tim 3:3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,
2Tim 3:4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Tim 3:5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

I counted 19 (nice prime number) character features related to ego.

How many of the 19 do you recognize by yourself ?

 

[ProDeo]

An interesting viewpoint. Have you considered applying it to your particular situation?

Yes, I have.

I speak with mainly novices here. My teachings are wasted on spoiled flesh. But others are also observing...and you never know when someone might want their religious certainties challenged.

You might misjudge those you spank, what if those novices as you call them are beloved children of the Lord ?

Reckless you.

 

[Episkopos]

Yes, I have.



You might misjudge those you spank, what if those novices as you call them are beloved children of the Lord ?

Reckless you.

I'm not doing what others are doing here. You are not seeing what I'm doing. I'm trying to save souls from rejection into outer darkness.

In a similar way to street preacher trying to save souls from the lake of fire, but for believers.

People have misunderstood the purpose of regeneration, to the point where they are unable to hear the words of Jesus, or any sound teaching. It's been prophesied in the bible....and it's going to happen....but a street evangelist doesn't give up because many will be cast into the lake of fire. And I don't give up just because most are unable to hear the truth.

 

[Episkopos]

Both my inner and outer man confirm the vague word ego is not in Scripture.

Scripture is not vague, but very detailed.

2Tim 3:1 But understand this, that in the last days there will come times of difficulty.
2Tim 3:2 For people will be lovers of self, lovers of money, proud, arrogant, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy,
2Tim 3:3 heartless, unappeasable, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not loving good,
2Tim 3:4 treacherous, reckless, swollen with conceit, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God,
2Tim 3:5 having the appearance of godliness, but denying its power. Avoid such people.

I counted 19 (nice prime number) character features related to ego.

How many of the 19 do you recognize by yourself ?

Normally I would avoid a number of people here....but this is a public forum. So then one would expect that the truth would he opposed most heartily. Just read down the list. Have you thought about how many apply to you?

Lovers of self are spotted by their go being sensitive. So I don't need to re-iterate how I go about looking for people with an active inner man. Pay more attention and you will see what is going on....even in yourself.

 

[Judge Hardcastle]

.....If we condemn the rich young ruler we are condemning ourselves.

Everyone who relates to God through a covenant of law keeping is condemned when they do not keep that law. Every truly born again Christian knows this. That's why they are born again. They realized they can't get to God through law keeping and cast themselves on his mercy.

It is only through being forgiven by God through faith in Jesus' sacrifice that we can be reconciled to God and live for him. The covenant of Jesus' blood is the only covenant through which a person can be reconciled to God. That doesn't mean you don't have to keep what remains of God's law to keep. It means your eternal relationship with God is not established that way. Law keeping does not solicit the righteousness of the Holy Spirit. Faith in God's forgiveness in Christ does.

How many of us have done an Acts 2? Selling all we have to have all things in common in order to share out our goods equally among the brethren?

It's too easy to judge others hypocritically.

According to you, Jesus' command to the rich young ruler was an individual calling. Assuming that's true, it's okay to condemn him if he did not obey Jesus' command. Just as we would be condemned if we had that individual calling and didn't fulfill it.

If Jesus says that to inherit eternal life, we need to obey the commandments...then why contradict Him.

Because no one can obey the commandments so as to inherit eternal life. That's the old covenant way to life. It doesn't work because of the failure of man to keep it. It has been replaced by the New Covenant in which eternal life is obtained by being cleansed and forgiven and made righteous by faith in the forgiveness of God he has provided in the sacrifice of Jesus Christ. God knows this. He knows what he's doing. This plan was established from eternity past.

 

[ProDeo]

Wisdom can also get choked out by false doctrine. I remember him saying this.

Jesus did NOT come to forgive sins but that through Him we might be overcomers as He is. The cross is about holiness not forgiveness

Oh...

John 1:29 The next day he [John the Baptist] saw Jesus coming toward him, and said, “Behold, the Lamb of God, who takes away the sin of the world!

He knew.

Who told John the Baptist that?

Interesting isn't it.

Jesus said John the Baptist was the promised Elijah, but John the Baptist said he was not, see v21.

Did John the Baptist heard that in heaven being Elijah ????

Just guessing.

Redemption and the forgiveness of sins are tied to Christ's sacrifice and blood shed on the cross. (Romans 3:24-26; Colossians 1:20) To discard that foundational truth is not wise.

1 John 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world—our faith.

Amen Dan.

 

[ProDeo]

I'm not doing what others are doing here. You are not seeing what I'm doing. I'm trying to save souls from rejection into outer darkness.

I know, you have said so many times. And I don't question your intention.

But I also don't believe the Lord has given you cart blanche to condemn and insult everyone who disagrees with you.

In a similar way to street preacher trying to save souls from the lake of fire, but for believers.

People have misunderstood the purpose of regeneration, to the point where they are unable to hear the words of Jesus, or any sound teaching. It's been prophesied in the bible....and it's going to happen....but a street evangelist doesn't give up because many will be cast into the lake of fire. And I don't give up just because most are unable to hear the truth.

I know you won't give up, but IMHO you are playing with fire.

Be well.

 

[Episkopos]

I know, you have said so many times. And I don't question your intention.

But I also don't believe the Lord has given you cart blanche to condemn and insult everyone who disagrees with you.

I don't think you are quite paying attention to how people are responding to my efforts. Many times you are also denigrating my efforts.

I know you won't give up, but IMHO you are playing with fire.

Be well.

And what pray tell do you think they are doing that are attacking me and calling me things that are quite unseemly? You are very interestingly not seeing any problem with this.