The Absolute Equality of Jesus With The Father

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Ronald Nolette

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I have no idea how you suppose 1 Cor. 15:28 supports the notion Jesus is God when it says the precise opposite! It does not parse "Jesus" with "the Father" but Jesus with God - in his unitarian nature. So, we agree that there is no absolute equality between Jesus and God (who alone is the Father as it says in every epistle). Not sure why, in this thread, you want to debate with me your idea that Jesus is a subordinate deity.

Because Jesus is God with His Father. He is not an inferior deity or less divine than His Father in nature. But He is subordinate to His Father is authority and position without being less God than His Father in nature. that is the bible!
 

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Well post the verse and explain how I am banging that drum wrong! Saying I am wrong is easy. Showing me takes willingness and a heart to instruct! So I await you showing me how I am misunderstanding 29 translations. How Jesus placing HImself under the autrhority of the Father is not a submission and an inferior position.

Sadly, despite posting 29 translations, you failed to grasp that not one of them involve 'the Father' but only God in his unitarian nature.
 

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LOL How else is there to grasp the verse that states Jesus placing himself under the authority of GOD is not a submission and an inferior position?

I suggest that you read Exodus 3, verses 1-15. Here you will see, that the Person Who called out to Moses from the Burning Bush, identifies Himseld as "And the Angel of the LORD appeared to him in a flame of fire out of the midst of a bush", (verse 2), here "The Angel" is distinct from "The LORD (YHWH)". In verse 4 we read of this Angel, "And when the LORD (YHWH) saw that he turned aside to see, God called to him out of the midst of the bush". In verse 6 we read of The Angel, "Moreover he said, I am the God of thy father, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob. And Moses hid his face: for he was afraid to look upon God". Then we read in verse 7, "And the LORD (YHWH) said...". In verse 11, "And Moses said to God" (and verse 13). In verse 14, The Angel says to Moses, "I AM THAT I AM: And he said, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me to you". And 15, "And God said, moreover, to Moses, Thus shalt thou say to the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me to you: this is My Name (YHWH) for ever, and this is my memorial to all generations"

ALL of this is said of THE ANGEL OF THE LORD, Who is DISTINCT from THE LORD, and yet Himself, GOD, LORD, I AM!
 

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I suggest ...

Just answer my question about how else is there to grasp 1 Cor. 15:28 that states Jesus placing himself under the authority of GOD is not a submission and an inferior position? Thanks.

(I don't have the slightest idea where you were going with Exodus 3:1-15. The verse is question is 1 Cor. 15:28. Try sticking to the topic under discussion. Thanks)
 

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Just answer my question about how else is there to grasp 1 Cor. 15:28 that states Jesus placing himself under the authority of GOD is not a submission and an inferior position? Thanks.

(I don't have the slightest idea where you were going with Exodus 3:1-15. The verse is question is 1 Cor. 15:28. Try sticking to the topic under discussion. Thanks)

This passage describes Jesus Reign as The Mediator. As YHWH Jesus cannot be subordinate to the Father
 

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This passage describes Jesus Reign as The Mediator. As YHWH Jesus cannot be subordinate to the Father

Circular Reasoning. You are just imposing false doctrine onto words that do not support it. To the extent that Jesus has a role as mediator, it remains an unequal role to God's role.


And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition.
Mark 7:13 (NLT)
 

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Circular Reasoning. You are just imposing false doctrine onto words that do not support it. To the extent that Jesus has a role as mediator, it remains an unequal role to God's role.


And so you cancel the word of God in order to hand down your own tradition.
Mark 7:13 (NLT)

Why don't you want to read Exodus 3.1-15? It is clear that Jesus Christ IS The Almighty God YHWH. Deal with this
 

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Father, Holy Spirit, Son; rejoice, the Lord our God is one.
Convince me that He knew before and after He walked the earth, but not during.
Because if there is knowledge there to prove this, I'm not aware of it, that's all.
If you can teach me something, I'd appreciate it.
I just try not to assume anything. :)
 

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Father, Holy Spirit, Son; rejoice, the Lord our God is one.
Convince me that He knew before and after He walked the earth, but not during.
Because if there is knowledge there to prove this, I'm not aware of it, that's all.
If you can teach me something, I'd appreciate it.
I just try not to assume anything. :)

Before going any further. One question for you. Do you believe that Jesus Christ is YHWH
 

Truman

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When I say Elohim, I mean, "Let us make man in our image." I believe, "us" here refers to Father, Jesus, and Holy Spirit."
 

Truman

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I guess this is one of those things that I accept by faith because I can't wrap my brain around it.
Which is to be expected, when it comes to God.
I've got to go lay down...they think I have Covid.
Maybe we'll talk about it again. :)