Once Saved Always Saved

[BloodBought 1953]

You have left out calling on the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for salvation (Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12); which is most important.

Even “YOU” know that I know this....it’s so obvious it does not have to Be spelled out every time ....find a better way to try to “ trip me up”—— it ain’t gonna happen.....

 

[justbyfaith]

You have left out calling on the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for salvation (Acts of the Apostles 4:10-12); which is most important.

Even “YOU” know that I know this....it’s so obvious it does not have to Be spelled out every time ....find a better way to try to “ trip me up”—— it ain’t gonna happen.....

You can know something and proclaim the opposite and that makes you all the more accountable for proclaiming what you know is not the complete truth.

I am concerned for the people that you are misleading here...

 

[kcnalp]

Lol.....and you guys DONT?...so now we see the latest Refusal to address the Verse that can’t be argued with by any Sane man.... I can argue against every Scripture you present ....Your side has Valid reasons to believe as you do.....you guys aren’t dumb.... I Used to think the same way that you do....you have roughly 200 VERSES that seem to support your view....They ALL have one of two problems—— they are either “ taken out of context” or they “ do not pertain to Members of the Body Of Christ....
200 verses that “ seem” to prove your case is nice.....unfortunately ,the OSAS Side has Double that amount of verses to prove their case.....roughly 400....

Your verses, admit it or not, can be argued with ....throw them out here and I might show you how I can argue against them as far as trying to prove one can lose their Salvation

The verses that OSAS defenders have in their “ Ammo” can’t be debated....they can’t be argued with by people that have a modicum Of common sense.....Nobody can argue with the Verse where Jesus proclaims Believers are ALREADY Saved and can NEVER come under Condemnation.....and what kind of Twisting can make “ this “ Verse invalid—— “ Anybody that ASKS to be Saved WILL BE SAVED” I thank my God that I don’t have to try to prove that that verse doesn’t mean what it clearly means....

God has done His best to show His Children, all that “ Turn to Him” , That they are secure in their Salvation because HE is the One that “ Will Finish what HE started” The Problem the Church World has is that too many are “ self-started” instead of “ God - Started”..... the difference is Heaven or Hell...

The Self Starter “ Changes” .....the God Starter is TRANSFORMED ....you had better learn the difference....

All the Scriptures fit together. You just take the ones you like.

 

[marks]

We will face situations and circumstances that will test us to see if we want to believe in God or not.

This remains such a strange view of faith and salvation to me. To see if you want to believe in God or not? To me that is totally "outside" of any thought process shown in the Bible, and particularly of the gentile church in the New Covenant.

Your description remains in the first steps of faith, when the hot sun shows those who don't have a real conversion, and those who do. Those of whom Peter tells us the trials simply prove their genuine faith. Other than that, you write hundreds and hundreds of posts about the very first step of salvation, a real acceptance of His Truth.

It's really unfathomable to me to say along the lines of, "continue to choose to believe in God or not." It's like saying, you're going to choose to stop believing the sun is in the sky, or that you yourself exist, or are a certain person.

Do you say to you father according to the flesh, "You no more exist!"

??

Much love!

 

[marks]

You can know something and proclaim the opposite and that makes you all the more accountable for proclaiming what you know is not the complete truth.

I am concerned for the people that you are misleading here...

And I am concerned for you.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

And I am concerned for you.

Much love!

Why?

I am actually doing quite well in my walk with Christ as well as in my understanding of His grace in my life.

 

[marks]

We can say that, why not. But saying that does not make anyone’s position stand or fall by that.

Vanities of vanities, all is vanity! Emptiness!

When there could be a good and meaningful and Scriptural discussion! That's why I'm not participating too much. It remains at a most elementary level more than one way.

Much love!

 

[marks]

Why?

That would be a question for a private conversation I think, should you wish.

Much love!

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Deuteronomy 5:29 says:
O that there were such an heart in them, that they would fear me, and keep all my commandments always, that it might be well with them, and with their children for ever!

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You need to graduate from Old Testament Law ( which no gentile was under....then or now) and start living in the Age Of Grace... Jesus left us with only Two Commandments—— Believe and Love. Get with the times....”Flirting with Moses is Cheating on Jesus.....”

 

[justbyfaith]

That would be a question for a private conversation I think, should you wish.

Much love!

No, I am not afraid of the scrutiny.

You have already questioned my safety in the Lord so I feel that it is best to hash this out in public so that if my position is defensible, it will be readily seen.

For I believe that it is defensible.

 

[justbyfaith]

You need to graduate from Old Testament Law ( which no gentile was under....then or now) and start living in the Age Of Grace... Jesus left us with only Two Commandments—— Believe and Love. Get with the times....”Flirting with Moses is Cheating on Jesus.....”

No, the author of Hebrews quotes Jeremiah to say that the law (as referred to by Jeremiah) is written on the hearts and minds of New Covenant believers (Hebrews 8:8-10).

 

[justbyfaith]

That would be a question for a private conversation I think, should you wish.

Much love!

edited #5826 (Once Saved Always Saved).

 

[BloodBought 1953]

You can know something and proclaim the opposite and that makes you all the more accountable for proclaiming what you know is not the complete truth


What the? That was about as clear as-mud.....hint: cut the pill in half....

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Why?

I am actually doing quite well in my walk with Christ as well as in my understanding of His grace in my life.

Proof that this is a lie is easily proven by his blasphemous Thread about people are forgiven because they keep the Law.....the guy slinks into evil and madness more and more each day....he should be banned....

 

[marks]

Why?

I am actually doing quite well in my walk with Christ as well as in my understanding of His grace in my life.

Then you have no need of anything I might say.

Much love!

 

[justbyfaith]

You can know something and proclaim the opposite and that makes you all the more accountable for proclaiming what you know is not the complete truth

What the? That was about as clear as-mud.....hint: cut the pill in half....

Don't be an idiot.

Proof that this is a lie is easily proven by his blasphemous Thread about people are forgiven because they keep the Law.....the guy slinks into evil and madness more and more each day....he should be banned....

Of course you can judge that thread based on the title; or you can delve deeper into the realities of what I am saying by it.

I actually have not said that people are forgiven because they keep the law; I have said that people will keep the law because they are forgiven, if you take everything that I said in its full context.

Here.

Forgiveness is to those who keep the commandments of the Lord.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Do you say to you father according to the flesh, "You no more exist!"

That's not what not believing means.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

If you ignore what Peter said , he warned you what would happen—— you will “ stumble”. Stumbling is not good.It ain’t Damnation , however.....How much “ Growth” did the Thief on the Cross exhibit...Growth is great.....it’s not the Determining Factor in regard to Salvation.....Faith in the Gospel Plus Nothing determined “ that” ......Be Wise and grow or be unwise and refuse to grow....the choice is ours and has Nothing to do with Salvation....

Your “ proof” of Salvation is this: Do you pass Pauls Test ? “What think Ye Of Christ”.....

How can you just ignore the 'make your calling and election sure' in the passage?

 

[justbyfaith]

Then you have no need of anything I might say.

Much love!

Bring forth your accusation.

Or, I will simply say that I am concerned for you now; and never tell you the reason why.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

We seem to agree on the Goal—- we differ in the way to get there...” The man who finds Life will find it by TRUSTING GOD”.....True Trust will lead to Obedience

I've been saying all along we are to keep trusting and believing in God. So I'm not disagreeing with you at all on how to get to the goal.