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[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
The passage is clear as to what the thanksgiving is for. So we don’t need to opine regarding that.

Romans 6:17 But God be thanked that though you were slaves of sin, yet you obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine to which you were delivered.

The thanksgiving is for, that they obeyed from the heart.

If you obey the Command to believe the Gospel....and you are born with new Life...you will be thanking God your sins have been forgiven,thanking God for that wisdom brought to you...etc
Thanking God that He quicken you. THANKING God for that gift you receive to hear the way, the truth and Life....

If you have a way which you must see it....then we can agree to disagree....

Didn't you thank Him...For He had a plan from the beginning...to know what great Love...
And all they needed to do was receive the Gift through belief....

It sounds like you want to force the passage into OSAS...and that's a problem

Romans 10:15
And how can anyone preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of those who bring good news!"

After the preacher brings the word and it is encouraging.......Some may say good word preacher......And what does the preacher say...?
"ALL GLORY TO GOD" so thanks be to God that He used me, or He chose me to hear, or to be used...

Point is one still has to receive.
So if I after being taught the Gospel of the kingdom, hearing the mighty works of Jesus and what He's done to free us...hear, and believe with the intent to follow...and my sins are forgiven.......I HAVE THEN RECEIVED THE GIFT THROUGH FAITH....YOU WILL BE THANKING GOD.....!!!

THROUGH YOUR OBEDIENCE TO REPENT AND BELIEVE...YOU HAVE OBEYED FROM THE HEART[RECEIVED]

Romans 10:16


NLT
But not everyone welcomes the Good News, for Isaiah the prophet said, “LORD, who has believed our message?”

ESV
But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Isaiah says, “Lord, who has believed what he has heard from us?”

Why would they thank themselves for receiving a gift?

Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. Acts 2:38


“The time promised by God has come at last!” he announced. “The Kingdom of God is near! Repent of your sins and believe the Good News!” Mark 1:15

There is no issue that there is an endless list of good that we thank God for, such as that you mentioned in your post. But in the passage, the thanksgiving is for obeying from the heart.

Clearly Paul knew and acknowledged that that was God’s working. Why they obeyed from the heart, and it must be realized, it is even while they were slaves of sin, is what the thanksgiving is about. That is not an ordinary thing nor a natural happening, but an extraordinary and supernatural happening, which Paul attributes as being God’s working. So God be thanked for that, that they obeyed from the heart. He didn’t say that the church be thanked that they obeyed from the heart. No. Each of us who obeyed from the heart, thank God that we did. And why? Simply because our heart recognizes and acknowledged that we did, because of God’s working in and on us.

Now if you view differently for some reason, I am not in any way forcing my view on you. Borrowing your words, “If you have a way which you must see it....then we can agree to disagree....”

Tong
R3350

 

[Ferris Bueller]

One more thing. This “ Chief Of Sinners “ thingy that I throw around ? If you , as a Christian , don't see “ Yourself” as a Wretched Sinner who would be burning In Hell at this very second, if it were not for the Mercy , Grace and Love Of God —— “ YOU” got a problem .....not me ....

That by itself doesn't make me or anybody else 'chief of sinners'. You're misusing the phrase. Paul was a murderer. He persecuted the church. My record's not quite as illustrious as that. I'd be lying if I tried to boast of being 'chief of sinners'.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Calling myself “ chief of sinners” is just a way to show a little Humility...

It comes across as false humility. That's the problem.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

..it shows that I recognize that if not for the Grace of God and His Spirit in me , there would be “no good in me”and I would be rotten to the core......don’t take it to mean that I go out every night to “rape, ravage and plunder”.

And it didn't mean that for Paul either. You really need to stop using the phrase to refer to yourself. Paul plainly said God used him, chief of sinners, as an example of God's grace. It wasn't meant to label every single sinner converted to Christianity.

 

[HisLife]

If you don't mind me asking, why do you know him personally? What's the connection? I'm curious.

He Said I Can Ride His Harley and apparently I ride Motorcycles like I stole them... was about all it took

Honestly it comes back to

But he's not that here. That's the issue.
Matthew 5:46

When I first signed up to a Christian forum I was naive, no idea What I was in for, BB was the first person that showed genuine Love towards me when I was a stranger, He definitely fulfilled Mathew 5:46 to me, And He is as rock-solid a friend today as ever

I was just curious. He says he's the chief of sinners, yet receives a glowing review from HisLife, so I was curious, lol.

I came in and you guys were misrepresenting my buddy, tried to pick up poor brother BB, not that he needs it, But I wanted to try and present the Person That I know

But Just To clear the air I can't recall Ever Seeing BB Sin If I had to try and recall any Sins? hmmmm Honestly I can't see or recall any To me I see a loyal friend, isn't he just like a Modern-day Saint, Going around proclaiming the Gospel

That's probably enough about BB tho it's not nice to go around insulting him it's very hard to go around complimenting him, He is probably reading this hoping I would shut up and I'm happy too! The thing about Blood Bought 1953 is He gives all Glory and credit to Jesus For Salvation and Boldy proclaims the Gospel unashamed and would rather we focus on that than on him

 

[Ferris Bueller]

..and I have learned that Obedience to God is not a Burden—- it’s a Thrill!

This is exactly why I've always considered you a text book Christian, not an experiential one. Those of us out here in the bunkers of life know obedience to God is not always a thrill. Sometimes it's the last thing you feel like doing. And you may or may not do it. That's real life. You know you're in the trenches of being a Christian when the thrill is gone and you're in the Garden praying it can all go away and you don't have to confront it.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

BB was the first person that showed genuine Love towards me when I was a stranger, He definitely fulfilled Mathew 5:46 to me

But you weren't his enemy. I've learned that the true test of godly love is how you treat those who have mistreated you. See, he considers us enemies and, generally speaking, he treats us the way natural men treat their enemies, not the way the Bible tells us to treat our enemies.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

But Just To clear the air I can't recall Ever Seeing BB Sin If I had to try and recall any Sins? hmmmm Honestly I can't see or recall any

Thank you! I could not tell if his claim to be 'chief of sinners' (as he defines it's application) was for real, I mean like he's getting drunk and committing adultery all in the name of grace, or if he was just exaggerating because Christians are supposed to say things like that to abase themselves.

 

[Grailhunter]

Keep in mind that ALL false religions and cults that teach salvation by works strongly oppose OSAS, which has always been a red flag for me. Now this does not mean that everyone who opposes OSAS attends a false religion or cult, but the red flag is still raised. How is OSAS a cult? I find that too many NOSASers in this thread tend to paint all OSASers with a broad brush.

As far as the OSAS'ers, there is no hope for them...but that does not mean that we cannot be nice to them. How about when they die, we put barbeque sauce and a basting brush in their casket?

But maybe for the "works save ya" group....can you give us names? Maybe we can set them straight, all they are trying to do is get people to do Good Deeds....the OSAS'ers teach a sure path to hell. They only have one place to go....as they say...south.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

Those who have limited intelligence and limited Spiritual Insight don’t understand that...

Yep, feeling warm and fuzzy all over, BB. Thank you.

That's the one thing for sure about God's love.......you can't fake it. The true you will always eventually come out.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

the closer you get to God, the farther away from Him you really see yourself” .....I see myself as being very far away from the Greatness Of God—- I must be close to Him...Christianity sure is crazy, isn't it ? To go “ up” , you must go “ down” —— you have to be” last” in order to be “ first” .....and as you get closer to God The Attitude should not be, “look how Great I am” .....it should be, “ woe is me for I am undone”.......

Maybe, just maybe the closer you get to God the less sinning you do and the more like Jesus you become? Yeah, I know, crazy, huh?

 

[HisLife]

But you weren't his enemy. I've learned that the true test of godly love is how you treat those who have mistreated you. See, he considers us enemies and, generally speaking, he treats us the way natural men treat their enemies, not the way the Bible tells us to treat our enemies.

He couldn't have known at the time besides You mistreat him and he still puts up with you ...But Should he be put in the lion's den So you can try and find fault, Or should he not even have to be in that environment Its not about you or me After Many leave BB remains he Is tough he has a job to do, Considering the environment I think he is very fair, there are many perspectives you can't judge another's servant, I think your just gonna have to deal with him

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I am NOTHING but I have been EXTREMELY well taught by what I think are the best God- Sent Teachers on the Planet ....for 35 years I have been a very Serious Bible Studier.

You don't strike me as someone who reads the Bible. You strike me as someone who studies material prepared by teachers, and you learn it well, and so you consider yourself 'knowledgeable'. That's why I see you as a textbook Christian, not an experiential one. If you really want to learn about God and know him and be like him you have to be a student of the Bible, not a student of a Bible teacher. That doesn't mean we don't sit under teachers. It means our source is God himself, not a man.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

But Should he be put in the lion's den So you can try and find fault

I'm not looking for fault. I don't need to do that. He's treated me and others like crap in this forum. His true character has been on display whether he knows it or not. I mean, I know I'm not intelligent—he told us so—but that doesn't make us blind to how he treats us.

 

[Ferris Bueller]

He couldn't have known at the time

Exactly!
Jesus pegged it pretty good when he described how humans love. We can be nice until we don't have to be, or we feel threatened, or we don't like somebody, or we can't benefit from someone, or they don't bless us, or they don't agree with us....

 

[Ferris Bueller]

I take this site VERY Seriously—- God has His eye on it—- and I lack the courage to mess with a Site That is a Christian one.....I am certain that I am correct with my Doctrines , and right or wrong , I would not post anything here that I am not sure of......and if my detractors are not as certain as I am they should not be here either.....this is life and death stuff we debate here....Heaven and Hell.

Yes it is. This is serious stuff. Consider this next time you tell a newbie his sin doesn't matter to his salvation.....

42But if anyone causes one of these little ones who believe in Me to stumble, it would be better for him to have a large millstone hung around his neck and to be thrown into the sea.43If your hand causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life crippled than to have two hands and go into hell,e into the unquenchable fire.f 45If your foot causes you to sin, cut it off. It is better for you to enter life lame than to have two feet and be thrown into hell.g 47And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter the kingdom of God with one eye than to have two eyes and be thrown into hell, 48where ‘their worm never dies, and the fire is never quenched.’ Mark 9:42-48
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I know you don't read the Bible passages posted (you said that before), but just read the bolded part and think about how that relates to 1) your Osas belief, and 2) your belief that sin doesn't matter to the one who believes in Jesus.

 

[Corlove13]

There is no issue that there is an endless list of good that we thank God for, such as that you mentioned in your post. But in the passage, the thanksgiving is for obeying from the heart.

Clearly Paul knew and acknowledged that that was God’s working. Why they obeyed from the heart, and it must be realized, it is even while they were slaves of sin, is what the thanksgiving is about. That is not an ordinary thing nor a natural happening, but an extraordinary and supernatural happening, which Paul attributes as being God’s working. So God be thanked for that, that they obeyed from the heart. He didn’t say that the church be thanked that they obeyed from the heart. No. Each of us who obeyed from the heart, thank God that we did. And why? Simply because our heart recognizes and acknowledged that we did, because of God’s working in and on us.

Now if you view differently for some reason, I am not in any way forcing my view on you. Borrowing your words, “If you have a way which you must see it....then we can agree to disagree....”

My Spouse Got me to say yes when asked to Marry because thou spent time with me. was there when I needed, listened, thought about me, called me

Tong
R3350

We can't do nothing without God ...
But
Are you saying God completely forces one to accept His Gift?
And there is no exercise of our will through out sanctification.

 

[Corlove13]

There is no issue that there is an endless list of good that we thank God for, such as that you mentioned in your post. But in the passage, the thanksgiving is for obeying from the heart.

Clearly Paul knew and acknowledged that that was God’s working. Why they obeyed from the heart, and it must be realized, it is even while they were slaves of sin, is what the thanksgiving is about. That is not an ordinary thing nor a natural happening, but an extraordinary and supernatural happening, which Paul attributes as being God’s working. So God be thanked for that, that they obeyed from the heart. He didn’t say that the church be thanked that they obeyed from the heart. No. Each of us who obeyed from the heart, thank God that we did. And why? Simply because our heart recognizes and acknowledged that we did, because of God’s working in and on us.

Now if you view differently for some reason, I am not in any way forcing my view on you. Borrowing your words, “If you have a way which you must see it....then we can agree to disagree....”

Tong
R3350

I agree with how the Bapist pastor Dallas, someone you can see knew God personally, author , Theology Professor, and philosopher said this in an Interview:
There is enough depravity where no one will ever be able to say “I did it.” God will not pour holiness upon our heads. God will cooperate with us, but we cannot make it on our own. Total depravity means there is nothing we can do about evil. That is not true. There is just enough depravity so that we must cooperate with God.

 

[Tong2020]

Tong2020 said: ↑
There is no issue that there is an endless list of good that we thank God for, such as that you mentioned in your post. But in the passage, the thanksgiving is for obeying from the heart.

Clearly Paul knew and acknowledged that that was God’s working. Why they obeyed from the heart, and it must be realized, it is even while they were slaves of sin, is what the thanksgiving is about. That is not an ordinary thing nor a natural happening, but an extraordinary and supernatural happening, which Paul attributes as being God’s working. So God be thanked for that, that they obeyed from the heart. He didn’t say that the church be thanked that they obeyed from the heart. No. Each of us who obeyed from the heart, thank God that we did. And why? Simply because our heart recognizes and acknowledged that we did, because of God’s working in and on us.

Now if you view differently for some reason, I am not in any way forcing my view on you. Borrowing your words, “If you have a way which you must see it....then we can agree to disagree....”

My Spouse Got me to say yes when asked to Marry because thou spent time with me. was there when I needed, listened, thought about me, called me

We can't do nothing without God ...
But
Are you saying God forces one to accept His Gift?
And there is no exercise of our will through out sanctification.

<<<We can't do nothing without God ..>>>

We can’t do anything good without God.

<<<Are you saying God forces one to accept His Gift?>>>

Not at all. There is nothing in what I said in my post that even suggest that in the least bit.

Tong
R3351

 

[BloodBought 1953]

Not quite. He's got some tweaking to do in that department. His view of the Christian trusting God is you staggering around a room drunk and relying on everybody around you to keep you out of trouble and you taking no responsibility for your own behavior. He calls it 'dead works' if you do anything about your behavior and don't let change happen by itself.

Not quite, Holy Man...The Holy Spirit is our “ Helper” —- NOT our “ Doer”
Most of the important changes in a Believers Life can only be done by God....I have seen bitter, angry men turned into lambs with sweet temperaments after they got Saved —- those guys didn’t change their angry, troubled personalities—- they were Transformed from the Inside Out by the Holy Spirit Indwelling Them......That “ Inside Of the Cup” thing.....we can change the “ outside” but only the Holy Spirit can TRANSFORM the inside....

A wise Believer Changes his behavior because it is smart....God will bless any good behavior whether it comes from within or without.....ALWAYS work on your Behavior.....ALWAYS strive to be Better—— just don’t think that your Behavior Improvement Saved you or kept you Saved—— “THAT” is When it becomes a “ DEAD WORK”...... do you understand now, Accuser Of The Brethren?