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Jesus did not just pay for past sins

the redemption of sin can only be by blood, as scripture says, without the shedding of blood there is no remission, water baptism will never wash away your sin anymore than the blood of bulls and goats,

So you still believe in blood sacrifices? Because the Scripture you refer to bears on OT blood sacrifices AS OPPOSED TO Christ's offering up of his SOUL for our sins. You must be Roman Catholic though.
 

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So you still believe in blood sacrifices? Because the Scripture you refer to bears on OT blood sacrifices AS OPPOSED TO Christ's offering up of his SOUL for our sins. You must be Roman Catholic though.
Nope

blood sacrifices were part of the schoolmaster that led us to Christ, you must have misread me, I said baptism will no more wash your sin that the blood of bulls and goats, ie niether of them will remove 1 sin from our record of debt we owe God,

Roman Catholic? SMH
 

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He certainly did not say: <<go and make disciples baptizing them>> which is the PART you like.


It is exactly what you are doing -- what you correctly are trying to get an idea of.
Well he did say it

go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing THEM in the name of the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit,

ie. Baptize THeM, ( they are already saved, they are not baptised to make them disciples.

and once again, your last statement makes no sense can you please explain what you mean or is this to hard to ask?
 

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The way

this has been explained to you before, the Greek does not say one must be baptized to recieve remission of sin, if that is true, salvation is by works not grace

so no, your interpretation of his passage is not Grace it is works
Jimmy the Greek?

What "Greek" or who "Greek" does not like Acts 2:38 as it is written?
 

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Titus 3: 5 - NOT by WORKS OF RIGHTEOUSNESS which we have done. But BY HIS MERCY HE SAVED US through the WASHING and renewal of the Holy Spirit

Water baptism. Being a command of Jesus himself. would be considered a righteous deed or work. Paul makes it clear here that it is not by these works in which we are saved But By Gods mercy

If water baptism (a work of righteousness) is required. Its not of gift of Gods mercy, because we have done something to earn the reward
Did you know "confessing Christ with your mouth" is a personal work?

Did you know "making a personal decision for Christ" is a personal work?

Did you know that repentance is a personal work?

Therefore, we must be brain dead and mute to acquire grace per your strange ideas.

Obey Acts 2:38 and understand the difference Romans speaks of as "works of the OT Law".

The folks that made up this anti-baptism doctrine are scripturally ignorant.
 

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Yawn

been here done this, it’s sad all you can do is make jokes about the way the origional authors wrote the word of God
So, you are saying that Acts 2:38 is not in the original Greek that ceased to exist almost 2000 years ago?
 

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Did you know "confessing Christ with your mouth" is a personal work?

Did you know "making a personal decision for Christ" is a personal work?

Did you know that repentance is a personal work?

Therefore, we must be brain dead and mute to acquire grace per your strange ideas.

Obey Acts 2:38 and understand the difference Romans speaks of as "works of the OT Law".

The folks that made up this anti-baptism doctrine are scripturally ignorant.
None of them are works, as Jesus said when the people,asking him what work must we do to recieve this food which endures forever (John 6). It’s the work of God we believe

the person drowning who is rescued by a savior does not get credit for working to save himself because he repents from the fact he can not save himself and asks the person to save him.

a work is a work, you work to earn rewards, romans 7 is clear, if Abraham was saved because of all the works he did in his lifetime, he was not given a gift but he earned a reward, and he could boast,

you want to earn a reward and reject the gift, feel free
 

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Nope

blood sacrifices were part of the schoolmaster that led us to Christ, you must have misread me, I said baptism will no more wash your sin that the blood of bulls and goats, ie niether of them will remove 1 sin from our record of debt we owe God,

Roman Catholic? SMH
38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 

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So, you are saying that Acts 2:38 is not in the original Greek that ceased to exist almost 2000 years ago?
Your making yourself look bad man

mock all you want, I have proven acts 2: 38 in the Greek does not say the gift of the spirit or remmision of sin was not given because someone was baptized.

when your ready to sit and talk about the passage let me know. Until then. I will refuse to your childish mocking from now on
 

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None of them are works, as Jesus said when the people,asking him what work must we do to recieve this food which endures forever (John 6). It’s the work of God we believe

the person drowning who is rescued by a savior does not get credit for working to save himself because he repents from the fact he can not save himself and asks the person to save him.

a work is a work, you work to earn rewards, romans 7 is clear, if Abraham was saved because of all the works he did in his lifetime, he was not given a gift but he earned a reward, and he could boast,

you want to earn a reward and reject the gift, feel free
So, speaking and thinking is not a work, but only arm and leg movement?

Have you ever did a public address?
 

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Your making yourself look bad man

mock all you want, I have proven acts 2: 38 in the Greek does not say the gift of the spirit or remmision of sin was not given because someone was baptized.

when your ready to sit and talk about the passage let me know. Until then. I will refuse to your childish mocking from now on
Where did you get hold of the original Greek, because it has never been found since it disintegrated?
 

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38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost....

And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
16 He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned.


Which one of these 3 verses are not required to be saved?
 

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If anyone would like to know what I found that made acts 2 come to life and I could finally see, and not what some English translation says let me know and I will share it, I probably already did in this thread a few times but I wil, share again.

I am not going to respond to this persons rants anymore, it is not worth it
 

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If anyone would like to know what I found that made acts 2 come to life and I could finally see, and not what some English translation says let me know and I will share it, I probably already did in this thread a few times but I wil, share again.

I am not going to respond to this persons rants anymore, it is not worth it
AKA..."I eliminated Acts 2:38, come, follow me"....
 

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Look what I found....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
 

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Look what I found....

38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.


That's a good find!
Obedience to God’s Word is absolutely necessary to salvation

Matthew 7:21 Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

Romans 1:5 By whom we have received grace and apostleship, for obedience to the faith among all nations, for his name:

Romans 10:16 But they have not all obeyed the gospel. For Esaias saith, Lord, who hath believed our report?


The gospel is the Death, Burial, Resurrection of Jesus Christ.

Peter said to:
1. Repent, (Death)
2. Baptized for the remission of sins (Burial)
3. Receive the gift of the Holy Ghost. (Resurrection)


One last thing:
Jesus said, I tell you, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise perish.
The Acts skippers reply, Nay we are saved by grace and repentance is a work.


Now for everyone else obedient to the gospel:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Acts 22:16 And now why tarriest thou? arise, and be baptized, and wash away thy sins, calling on the name of the Lord.
 
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