Who and what is the antichrist?

[Waiting on him]

Both the beasts in Revelation 13 are antichrist in nature. The beast that rises from earth is the final false prophet, and is obviously the man of sin/son of perdition mentioned in 2 Thessalonians 2:

2Th 2:3-4 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition; (4) Who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sits in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God.

One person with a number of names, titles, and descriptions . . . we have the same thing with Satan

• Lucifer, meaning morning star ( Isaiah 14:12)
• ruler of the demons ( Matthew 12:24)
• god of this world ( 2 Corinthians 4:4)
• devil/accuser ( Matthew 4:1)
• prince of the power of the air ( Ephesians 2:2)
• roaring lion ( 1 Peter 5:8)
• serpent ( Genesis 3:1)
• dragon ( Revelation 12:9; 20:2)
• adversary ( Job 1)
• tempter ( Matthew 4:3)

We are the temple of God. Paul at this point in his ministry wouldn’t be referring to a stone building standing in Jerusalem.

 

[Waiting on him]

But you still haven’t answered the question.

If so then how can the beast also be the 7th and 8th kings?

I’m not sure why you can’t see the beast as being a demonic being influencing kingdoms and possessing their leaders like we see in Daniel chapter 10

Don’t forget that John said that a the beast was “now is not” and also “now is” as a king. He then goes to say that the beast is also the 8th king. Satan was never “now is not”

That’s because the beast is a demon who was locked in the abyss (now is not)and satan released him “now is”.

John also states that the beast was present during his day as the sixth king

Here’s a clue, there is only one King that ever has descended into the bottomless pit, and rose from it, this same King also has the keys to the pit.

 

[Waiting on him]

Thats how I came to the conclusion LOL my belief came from scripture Jesus and Moses linked the two together see below

Does the bible teach us that the Beast out of the earth also known the false prophet is tied to apostate Israel?

I believe the bible teaches that the false prophet was a demon influencing Mostly apostate Israel in the first century. He is also the true definition of who John teaches the antichrist to be.

A false prophet would have to come through the faithful. There has only been one church which is made up of the faithful before and after the cross from the days of Adam until today. Since this false prophet comes through the people of the faithful it would rule out him being from any other religion (Islam, budism ect ect).

Israel represented the faithful during most of the biblical times and this was from were the true prophets came from. So this false prophet purpose was to divert the Jews or the faithful away from their true Messiah. The false prophet is the only beast in the bible who is described as a clean animal (a lamb)which would represent Israel.

The false prophet along with the beast are cast into the lake of fire alive this doesn't happen to people as all people will be judged before being cast into the lake of fire. We know that satan (who we know is a demon) will be cast into the lake of fire alive (rev 20:12)in the future.

The false prophet along with the beast out of the sea (who I believe is a demon influencing Rome and its leaders in the first century) and satan makeup the unholy trinity. I believe the unholy trinity's purpose was to turn the Jews away from Jesus thier Messiah and have the people kill and reject Him. What could of been a more important task for Satan to do?

A description of the false prophet

Revelation 13:11
Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. He has 2 horns like a lamb but speaks like a dragon he looks gentle but he is evil.

How did Jesus describe false prophets and who did He say false prophets are?

Jesus talking about the Pharisees and describes them in

Matthew 7:15
Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
Jesus above links the false prophet to the Pharisees

Rev 13:13-16
13 And he doth great wonders, so that he maketh fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men,14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed. 16 It also forced all people, great and small, rich and poor, free and slave, to receive a mark on their right hands or on their foreheads,

Mosses warned us about this in.

Deuteronomy 13:1-3
If a prophet, or one who foretells by dreams, appears among you and announces to you a sign or wonder, 2 and if the sign or wonder spoken of takes place, and the prophet says, “Let us follow other gods” (gods you have not known) “and let us worship them,” 3 you must not listen to the words of that prophet or dreamer. The Lord your God is testing you to find out whether you love him with all your heart and with all your soul

Mosses above also links false prophets to the Jews

The false prophet is of Satan and Jesus said this about the Jewish leadership in

John 8:44
44 You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies

Jesus above links the Pharisees to satan.

The false prophet gave power to the beast (Rome) when they had the people say "we have no king but Caesar". They received the symbolic mark on their forehead and hand by being devoted to Rome and doing its will.

John 19:50
But they cried out, Away with him, away with him, crucify him. Pilate saith unto them, Shall I crucify your King? The chief priests answered, We have no king but Caesar.

Who could be more evil than the Pharisees who's job it was to reveal the Messiah to the Jews but instead persuaded the Jews to reject and kill Him? They turned their people away from their true King Jesus and had the people call Cesar their king that is the true definition of a false prophet.

You quote scripture but you haven’t seen. The beast is seven kings with the eight to follow. His number is 666. Which was first used with the Babylonian Empire. Daniel told Nebuchadnezzar He was the first king. And more would follow him. As far as the 666. It was the number of gods they worshipped.

No, it is the number of talents of gold that Solomon received into his kingdom every year.

 

[Waiting on him]

But you guys are close, the King you fail to see is a King of Kings.
And in Daniel 7 he is carried to God Whom is seated.

 

[Ziggy]

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

There is nothing here that says antichrist is flesh and blood.
Antichrist is the opposite of the Spirit of God.
Everybody keep waiting for a certain individual to enter the scene is missing the big picture.
John was given a "vision" . A "vision" is like a dream. Dreams are made up of symbolisms.
Nothing in John's vision has physical substance. It is spiritual.
Everything that we physically interact with is an illusion.

Example: Does a gun kill people, or is it the person holding the gun that kills people?
Does the gun have any power of itself to shoot or not to shoot?
Same it is with the physical world.
The only power it has is the power our "spirits" give it.

There are people that have the Spirit of God in them, and there are people who have the spirit of antichrist.
These spirits both of God and of antichrist, they form groups. Like churches. or dominions, kingdoms, corporations, governments, etc.
They tend to flock together according to the spirit that binds them.
God's spirit congregates with other God Spirit filled people. Anti-christ spirit congregate with antichrist spirit filled people.

And the battle is drawn.

This battle is seen as a vision given to John.
You will either willingly recieve the seal of God or the mark of the beast (man)

Everyone waiting for Jesus to return when they don't even recognize he is already here.
We have God's spirit in us. We are the Kingdom of God on earth.
Everyone waiting for the antichrist to appear, when they don't even recognize he is already here.
Those that do not have the Spirit of God have the spirit of antichrist.
That is the entire congregation of the beast on earth.

They say, the devil is in the details.
I say, expand your thinking.
Look at the whole picture.
Look at the governments, the school systems, the science, the medical industry, the food production, etc..
These all belong to the beast system.
There are good people in them, but they are getting beaten and trodden down.

Michael and his angels aren't coming anytime soon unless we get off our comfy chairs and push back.

I keep hearing how Jesus gave Peter ( a man) the keys to heaven and hell.
Peter represents man. Man is us. We are the church Christ built his church upon.
You can wait for a savior, but the truth is, Jesus already gave us the keys to loose or to bind.

We're more interested in denying the power given to us, then exercising that power for good in the world.

I'm just wondering..
Did God give us His Spirit in vain?

Everybody sees things differently.
This is how I see it.
Hugs

 

[Daniel Veler]

No, it is the number of talents of gold that Solomon received into his kingdom every year.

Read concerning the medallion the Babylonian made with the number 666 on it.

 

[Daniel Veler]

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The beast is the eighth king.

But the beast represents all even plus the eighth.

 

[Daniel Veler]

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

There is nothing here that says antichrist is flesh and blood.
Antichrist is the opposite of the Spirit of God.
Everybody keep waiting for a certain individual to enter the scene is missing the big picture.
John was given a "vision" . A "vision" is like a dream. Dreams are made up of symbolisms.
Nothing in John's vision has physical substance. It is spiritual.
Everything that we physically interact with is an illusion.

Example: Does a gun kill people, or is it the person holding the gun that kills people?
Does the gun have any power of itself to shoot or not to shoot?
Same it is with the physical world.
The only power it has is the power our "spirits" give it.

There are people that have the Spirit of God in them, and there are people who have the spirit of antichrist.
These spirits both of God and of antichrist, they form groups. Like churches. or dominions, kingdoms, corporations, governments, etc.
They tend to flock together according to the spirit that binds them.
God's spirit congregates with other God Spirit filled people. Anti-christ spirit congregate with antichrist spirit filled people.

And the battle is drawn.

This battle is seen as a vision given to John.
You will either willingly recieve the seal of God or the mark of the beast (man)

Everyone waiting for Jesus to return when they don't even recognize he is already here.
We have God's spirit in us. We are the Kingdom of God on earth.
Everyone waiting for the antichrist to appear, when they don't even recognize he is already here.
Those that do not have the Spirit of God have the spirit of antichrist.
That is the entire congregation of the beast on earth.

They say, the devil is in the details.
I say, expand your thinking.
Look at the whole picture.
Look at the governments, the school systems, the science, the medical industry, the food production, etc..
These all belong to the beast system.
There are good people in them, but they are getting beaten and trodden down.

Michael and his angels aren't coming anytime soon unless we get off our comfy chairs and push back.

I keep hearing how Jesus gave Peter ( a man) the keys to heaven and hell.
Peter represents man. Man is us. We are the church Christ built his church upon.
You can wait for a savior, but the truth is, Jesus already gave us the keys to loose or to bind.

We're more interested in denying the power given to us, then exercising that power for good in the world.

I'm just wondering..
Did God give us His Spirit in vain?

Everybody sees things differently.
This is how I see it.
Hugs

What about when Christ said many false christs will come. He said when the people say he is in the desert go not forth. That sounds to like flesh and blood person. If you are going to declare something to be truth you have to look at everything being told to us by the Lord. You just can’t pick and chose to declare the truth.

 

[Daniel Veler]

11 And the beast that was, and is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.


The beast is the eighth king.

And yet the beginning of the beast began with king number one.

 

[Marty fox]

We are the temple of God. Paul at this point in his ministry wouldn’t be referring to a stone building standing in Jerusalem.

Amen

 

[Marty fox]

1Jo 4:1 Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world.
1Jo 4:2 Hereby know ye the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesseth that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is of God:
1Jo 4:3 And every spirit that confesseth not that Jesus Christ is come in the flesh is not of God: and this is that spirit of antichrist, whereof ye have heard that it should come; and even now already is it in the world.

There is nothing here that says antichrist is flesh and blood.
Antichrist is the opposite of the Spirit of God.
Everybody keep waiting for a certain individual to enter the scene is missing the big picture.
John was given a "vision" . A "vision" is like a dream. Dreams are made up of symbolisms.
Nothing in John's vision has physical substance. It is spiritual.
Everything that we physically interact with is an illusion.

Example: Does a gun kill people, or is it the person holding the gun that kills people?
Does the gun have any power of itself to shoot or not to shoot?
Same it is with the physical world.
The only power it has is the power our "spirits" give it.

There are people that have the Spirit of God in them, and there are people who have the spirit of antichrist.
These spirits both of God and of antichrist, they form groups. Like churches. or dominions, kingdoms, corporations, governments, etc.
They tend to flock together according to the spirit that binds them.
God's spirit congregates with other God Spirit filled people. Anti-christ spirit congregate with antichrist spirit filled people.

And the battle is drawn.

This battle is seen as a vision given to John.
You will either willingly recieve the seal of God or the mark of the beast (man)

Everyone waiting for Jesus to return when they don't even recognize he is already here.
We have God's spirit in us. We are the Kingdom of God on earth.
Everyone waiting for the antichrist to appear, when they don't even recognize he is already here.
Those that do not have the Spirit of God have the spirit of antichrist.
That is the entire congregation of the beast on earth.

They say, the devil is in the details.
I say, expand your thinking.
Look at the whole picture.
Look at the governments, the school systems, the science, the medical industry, the food production, etc..
These all belong to the beast system.
There are good people in them, but they are getting beaten and trodden down.

Michael and his angels aren't coming anytime soon unless we get off our comfy chairs and push back.

I keep hearing how Jesus gave Peter ( a man) the keys to heaven and hell.
Peter represents man. Man is us. We are the church Christ built his church upon.
You can wait for a savior, but the truth is, Jesus already gave us the keys to loose or to bind.

We're more interested in denying the power given to us, then exercising that power for good in the world.

I'm just wondering..
Did God give us His Spirit in vain?

Everybody sees things differently.
This is how I see it.
Hugs

Nice post there is a lot of truth in it Thanks

 

[Waiting on him]

Read concerning the medallion the Babylonian made with the number 666 on it.

1 Kings 10:14 KJV
[14] Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

 

[Waiting on him]

2 Chronicles 9:13 KJV
[13] Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;
Revelation 13:18 KJV
[18] Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.
Ecclesiastes 3:18 KJV
[18] I said in mine heart concerning the estate of the sons of men, that God might manifest them, and that they might see that they themselves are beasts.

 

[Marty fox]

Here’s a clue, there is only one King that ever has descended into the bottomless pit, and rose from it, this same King also has the keys to the pit.

I wouldn’t say that he has the keys because satan is abbadon the destroyer in the pit Exodus 12 shows us this.

What about the king of Persia in Daniel 10 it seams that he is a demonic king?

 

[Daniel Veler]

1 Kings 10:14 KJV
[14] Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

Take king was dead during the Babylonian Empire. And had been for many years.

 

[Douggg]

And yet the beginning of the beast began with king number one.

Daniel, it is necessary to go to Revelation 17:7 first.

7 And the angel said unto me, Wherefore didst thou marvel? I will tell thee the mystery of the woman, and of the beast that carrieth her, which hath the seven heads and ten horns.

The scarlet colored beast in Revelation 17 is represented by Satan. The angel in v8 gives the mystery of Satan - his connection with the "beast".

v8 in that mystery is that "beast" was and is not. An expression for was alive, but is dead, at the time of John, 1st century. That beast was the garden of eden serpent beast that Satan used to get man to sin. At present is a disembodied spirit.

In the second part of v8, the beast is beheld by the people of the world in wondering about the beast that was, and is not, and yet is. The beast in that part of v8 is the end times person... who will be killed and brought back to life.

The connection is that the end times person will become possessed by the spirit of the serpent beast coming out of the bottomless pit.

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Of the 7 kings in v10, the one yet to come (king 7) is the end times little horn person. He will be killed and brought back to life as king 8, the beast. Called the beast because he will be possessed by the spirit of the garden of eden serpent beast.

 

[Douggg]

We are the temple of God. Paul at this point in his ministry wouldn’t be referring to a stone building standing in Jerusalem.

Why not? Paul did not say that the revealed man of sin would sit inside of Christians.

The 2Thessalonians2:4 "act" is the transgression of desolation "act" that the little horn person is to commit in Daniel 8:12-13.

 

[Douggg]

No, it is the number of talents of gold that Solomon received into his kingdom every year.

It may be that there is a connection. The person may claim to be Solomon or his name may be Solomon.

The false prophet does miracles of calling fire down from heaven; which Elijah did that in his confrontation with the prophets of baal. The false prophet, therefore, may claim to be Elijah.

 

[Waiting on him]

Why not? Paul did not say that the revealed man of sin would sit inside of Christians.

The 2Thessalonians2:4 "act" is the transgression of desolation "act" that the little horn person is to commit in Daniel 8:12-13.

Jesus told the disciples they would see the AOD spoken of by Daniel, are you saying that Jesus is a false prophet?

 

[Waiting on him]

Matthew 24:15 KJV
[15] When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand