Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

[Wrangler]

Jesus Christ is an eternal Spirit, one with the Father.

That goes against Scripture, which says he was a man.

 

[Wrangler]

I find that people get side-tracked from the dualism that expresses the Godhead. Either people go too far one way or the other. A proper balance is never considered. The Father and the Son are One Spirit.

A text book rebuttal against the trinity.

The passion for the man-is-God thesis is so strong, the HS is summarily abandoned.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

1 Corinthians 11:3
The Voice

3 But it is important that you understand this about headship: the Anointed One is the head of every man, the husband is the head of his wife, and God is the head of the Anointed.


NOTE: It is not the Father, but God in his unitarian nature that is head of the Anointed.

Regarding 'before the creation of all things he existed' Jesus was the firstborn of all creation - and begotten, which means created.

He is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of all creation. Colossians 1:15

From Definition of BEGET. Definition of beget
transitive verb
1 : to procreate as the father
2. to produce especially as an effect or outgrowth

And oce again you make the basic error all who deny the deity of Christ make: Yo confuse Jesus' position iin the godhead with His nature! Just because Jesus is inferior to His Father in position does not negate what jesus said that He is equal to His father in nature! That is what Scripture teaches.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Episkopos said:

The scriptures say that humans are souls just as the animals are souls. The scriptures don't say humans have Souls. This idea of human having Souls is from paganism or to be more accurate, from false religion. When Adam sinned as he did God said he would die as he said he would, if Adam disobeyed. God said that to the ground Adam would return because from the ground he was taken, for dust you are and dust you would return. There's no indication in this scripture at Genesis 3:19 that God was only addressing only part of Adam, such as only his flesh as others are trying to suggest. When God used the word, "You" when sentencing Adam, God was addressing the whole person who sinned not to just his human flesh.
When Jesus came in the flesh he came as a human, a person who is a Soul, not a human who has a Soul. When Jesus was resurrected he wasn't resurrected as a human again, because he sacrificed that human body to save mankind, but was resurrected as a life giving spirit.

 

[Wrangler]

Powerful accusations from one who doesn't even know what the book was called. they used the Tanach (not tanaka) yes to prove Jesus was Messiah!

Petty. (Autocorrect mistake on my phone sir.) Please forgive me.

 

[Wrangler]

I use verses like this to show Jesus is equally god(divine) with His Father:

John 1:1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Again, this thread is about Acts. John 1:1 does not even have Jesus in it.

There are no verses in Scripture show Jesus is equally god(divine) with His Father. Pure trinitarian fiction.

Jesus said God was greater than him. What does that prove?

 

[Wrangler]

jesus said that He is equal to His father in nature

Jesus did not say this at all. Scripture says God is Spirit that no one has seen and Jesus was a man who many have seen.

 

[APAK]

@Episkopos ..I see you are back, and I hope all is well with you these days.

"The mystery involves the plural "Elohim" which means a divine double (God) The plural masculine "im" means "twofold" in the Bible. Elohim is both Father and Son. Always was and always will be. Jesus came to show the "double" edged nature of the truth. "

You have presented here a different slant, a new hypothesis concerning Elohim. It will take more that this to topple the classic definition of Elohim.

There is no basis to inject the Son of God and thus his pre-existence with the one true God from eternity, the Father, into his Hebrew title.

And then there is the mystery of the other edge of truth presented as the Father's Son...

APAK

 

[Wrangler]

The mystery involves the plural "Elohim" which means a divine double (God) The plural masculine "im" means "twofold" in the Bible.

Thereby, disproving the trinity.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

JW are part of the Righteous Gentiles.
They follow the laws in the Bible by conscience, through Christ indirectly.

There are the JW who received Jesus and became awake and conscious of the difference who are working to change things from the inside by consensus.

They are more like a political party that has rules inhouse that all members follow.

They do not follow the "Trinity" teaching but reject it. The JW I interacted with had no issue with John 10:29-30 and the Scripture naming the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

They just reject the dogmatic confusion over the Trinity that they confirm is not stated that way in the Bible.
(The JW have their own dialect for Jesus/Holy Spirit that is equally confusing and wrong to others. But as long as they stay consistent, we can still translate and communicate.)

They remind me of Mormons, Muslims and others who are gentiles under natural laws.
Some receive Jesus, some do not.
Some convert to Christian, some do not.
It depends on the person.

Hi
Emily:

Well sorry but the bible is clear:

Acts 4:12
King James Version

12 Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

If they are trusting in a combo of faith in Jesus and works as Muslims, JW';s Mormons and others do- they are not saved. We have to trust in the death and resurrection of jesus as the sole means of our salvation.

there are no righteous gentiles. romans 3 tells us there are none righteous outside of jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Irrelevant even if true. It does not matter that another boss was better than your boss because you still owe fidelity to your boss.

Your whole line of thinking is out of whack with authority and hierarchy. It’s not about comparing one lord to another but recognizing they are all inferior to The LORD God almighty.

And all the other bosses who think they are bosses will be forced to bow their knee and admit Jesus is the only boss. so it is very relavent. All the other spiritual bosses are simply demons in disguise.

Before telling me what I think which is the sin of presumption- you should ask me if I believe that- for I know Jesus is Lord over all.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Trinitarians continue to deny that it was the Only Begotten Son of God who came to the world of mankind. You will find nowhere in the scriptures written down anywhere where it says you must believe that God came to this world as a human. The scriptures continue to teach that God sent his Only Begotten Son to mankind to save mankind, the scriptures have never denied this. This is what JW believe.

I will answer you r reply in parts.

I cannot speak for all trinitarians, but I know Jesus is the only begotten Son of God. that concerns His humanity. But before he became man The bible teaches this:

John 1:1
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

If Jesus had been resurrected with the same exact body which he sacrificed and then taken that exact same body to heaven it would mean no resurrection for anybody. Why? Because that would mean that Jesus would have taken that human body that he sacrificed off God's alter.

This is another error of the Watchtower.

It is not the body, but the blood that is given for remission of sins. they have lied to you and twisted the Scripture to deceive you.

Here are the 20 Things the Blood of Christ Does

• It remits sins (Matt. 26:28 NKJV).
• It gives life to those who consume it (John 6:53).
• It causes us to dwell in Christ and Him in us (John 6:56).
• It is the means by which Jesus purchased the church (Acts 20:28).
• It is the means by which Jesus becomes our atonement through faith (Rom. 3:25).
• It justifies us and saves us from God’s wrath (Rom. 5:9).
• It redeems us (Eph. 1:7; 1 Pet. 1:18–19; Rev. 5:9).
• It brings those who were far away from God near to Him (Eph. 2:13).
• It grants us the forgiveness of sins (Col. 1:14).
• It brings peace and reconciliation with God (Col. 1:20).
• It has “obtained eternal redemption” for us (Heb. 9:12).
• It cleanses our consciences from “dead works” to serve the living God (Heb. 9:14).
• It is the means by which we enter the Most Holy Place with boldness (Heb. 10:19 NIV).
• It “speaks a better word than the blood of Abel” (Heb. 12:24 NIV).
• It sanctifies us (Heb. 13:12).
• It makes us complete for “every good work” (Heb. 13:20–21 NKJV).
• It “cleanses us from all sin” (1 John 1:7).
• It bears witness in the earth along with the Spirit and the water (1 John 5:8 KJV).
• It is the means by which Jesus washes us (Rev. 1:5; 7:14 KJV).
• It is the means by which we overcome the accuser of the brethren (Rev. 12:10–11).

 

[Ronald Nolette]

The scriptures clearly teach that when resurrected Jesus was given immortality and he inherited incorruption. These are things Jesus didn't have before he sacrificed himself. So the scriptures show that Jesus wasn't resurrected with the same body because Jesus wasn't immortal or incorruptible before he died

Being given immortality and incorruption does not demand a new body. If it was a new body there would be no resurrection. YOu deny the simle word resurrection which means a standing again. In order for something to stand agaqin it has to be laid down prior. Jesus said He would rise bodily from the dead.

John 2:18-22
King James Version

18 Then answered the Jews and said unto him, What sign shewest thou unto us, seeing that thou doest these things?

19 Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in three days I will raise it up.

20 Then said the Jews, Forty and six years was this temple in building, and wilt thou rear it up in three days?

21 But he spake of the temple of his body.

22 When therefore he was risen from the dead, his disciples remembered that he had said this unto them; and they believed the scripture, and the word which Jesus had said.


Sorry Barney but Arius, Origen and the Watchtower got it all wrong! Believe the word of God as written instead of the slick commentaries of those who oppose their own selves.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Petty. (Autocorrect mistake on my phone sir.) Please forgive me.

I was more concerned witrh your false witness against a follower of Jesus.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Again, this thread is about Acts. John 1:1 does not even have Jesus in it.

There are no verses in Scripture show Jesus is equally god(divine) with His Father. Pure trinitarian fiction.

Jesus said God was greater than him. What does that prove?

Sorry but this thread is about Jesus and Jesus is in JOhn 1:1 if you do not know that by now- then there is no point in going on any further.

John 5:18
Therefore the Jews sought the more to kill him, because he not only had broken the sabbath, but said also that God was his Father, making himself equal with God.

SCORE: Jesus 1 wrangler 0

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Jesus did not say this at all. Scripture says God is Spirit that no one has seen and Jesus was a man who many have seen.

1 Timothy 3:16
And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

Philippians 2:6-10
King James Version

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:

7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:

8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:

10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

John 1:1-3
King James Version

1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:14
And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

JESUS is the Word made flesh and the Word is God!

 

[Wrangler]

And all the other bosses who think they are bosses will be forced to bow their knee and admit Jesus is the only boss. so it is very relavent. All the other spiritual bosses are simply demons in disguise.

Before telling me what I think which is the sin of presumption- you should ask me if I believe that- for I know Jesus is Lord over all.

Lack of discernment, brother. Jesus is our Lord but not The LORD God. The Bible says God selected Jesus to judge the world. Jesus admitted he was given all authority. Discern.

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus is the only begotten Son of God

Discernment. Firstborns are always only children until other children come along. We are all sons and daughters of God. Created, one and all, even Jesus.

 

[Wrangler]

Sorry but this thread is about Jesus

Your humility is showing. The threat title says Acts & the trinity. The OP says Acts & the trinity. I started this thread but somehow your telling me what this thread is about.