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Scriptures that trinitarians Don't Want You to Know About - #5, Book of Acts

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  1. Wrangler

    Wrangler Well-Known Member

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    Trinitarinians deny the big reveal of Jesus' ministry is that he is the long awaited Messiah, chosen by God to reconcile humanity to God and was never about revealing God incarnate. (Every Epistle makes clear that God, in his unitarian nature, is the Father alone, whose will is carried out by the Lord Jesus, anointed by God. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. When we say Jack and Jill went up the hill, it is not to be construed they are 1 being. The same when God, the Father, and Jesus went up the hill ...)

    The amazing book of Acts establishes the highly controversial fact that a man was resurrected by God - and that eternal life is the inheritance of all who believe. No fair reading of this book could support any other conclusion. The trinitarian IDOLATRY of this man destroys the proof of Good News of our inheritance. For it is understandable that an all powerful God could appear to die and resurrect himself. (Translation below is CJB)

    ACTS 1
    v3 After his death he showed himself to them and gave many convincing proofs that he was alive. (God is eternal and him being alive is a given).

    v7 He answered, “You don’t need to know the dates or the times; the Father has kept these under his own authority. (The Father Alone is God and his authority being different from and higher than Jesus in this verse is clear.)

    ACTS 4
    v7 “By what power or in what name did you do this?” NOTE: The answer is NOT in the name of God and no claim of God incarnate. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. The name is not the name of God.
    v10 It is in the name of the Messiah, Yeshua from Natzeret, whom you had executed on a stake as a criminal but whom God has raised from the dead, that this man stands before you perfectly healed. (God in his unitarian nature clearly acted upon the dead Messiah, in whose name the emissaries of the Anointed One do this, perform miracles).

    v24 Begins a prayer to God ...
    v27 your holy servant Yeshua, whom you made Messiah (Again, God acted on Jesus, the Messiah. In this verse, God, in his unitarian nature made Yeshua the Messiah. This is not how one would talk about God incarnate).

    Thus the prayer to God ends with

    v30 Stretch out your hand to heal and to do signs and miracles through the name of your holy servant Yeshua!” (God, in his unitarian nature, does signs and miracles in the name of his servant, Yeshua. Logic. Definition. Language Usage. God is not his own servant.)
     
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    Out of interest where did you learn these truths? There are few unitarians in the earth today comparatively speaking. The Apostle Paul knew false teaching would enter the body of Christ and only 100-200 years after the Lords ascension philosophers like Justin Martyr began calling Jesus the second god. If you believe as the Scripture teaches Jesus is the Son of Man & the Son of God, that he is a created being the firstborn from the dead. A man tempted in all points like we are yet without sin...and now dies no more. Yahweh was in Christ reconciling the world to himself through the weakness of human nature and through death itself. There is no room in these essential doctrines for 3 gods...though they try in vain.
     
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    Catholic Church sermon covering the 1C, which is in the Bible. The trinity contradicts 1C and is not in the Bible.
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    he has two natures divine and human
     
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    Dualism. But nowhere to be found in the provided texts.
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    no dualism is two gods

    Jn 1 the word (divine) became man (human) and dwelt among us
     
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    Wrangler Well-Known Member

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    No. Dualism is assert contradictory things are simultaneously true, like a being with dual natures, man and divine.

    The word of God became God. This does not mean God became man for that would contradict Numbers 23:19.
     
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    theefaith Well-Known Member

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    No one said God is a man
     
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    Impossible! Two natures, one divine and one human without the stain of sin, somehow fused together into ONE natural state. What chaos would ensure! That is a grotesque description of both the Father, and his Spirit and the Son; like a Frankenstein non-descript monster! I do not worship this freak show.

    Now the divine nature, his divine will and his divine (Holy) Spirit of the Father did indeed separately cohabitate with the human nature, will and spirit of his Son from his birth. The Father lived/lives in Jesus today - two independent natures cooperating together in one human body (once earthly and now Jesus in his heavenly immortal body). There was not and is not a dual nature of Jesus, ever.

    In defining a nature of a being, it is described and composed of an individual one mind, one will and one spirit. Jesus was not created with two minds, two wills and two spirits.

    Are we then in Christ, a dual natured being with him? Part Christ, God forbid! We do possess his Spirit however, and with the integrity of our own spirit, still intact. Are we 100% human and 100% Christ nature? Impossible, as Jesus was not a dual natured creation either.

    Christ lives in us as the Father lives in Christ, as separate independent natures. And that is why we are also in the Father, only through and because of his Spirit. And this does not ever mean then, as we continue to follow this initial ridiculous illogic notion of dual natures, of hypostatic union, that we are now triple natured in body today- 100% human, 100% Christ and 100% divine of the Father. That would be blasphemous indeed. So why is it not also blasphemous to call Jesus dual natured - part human and part divine, of the Father?

    The Father, the true God, the ONLY source of DIVINITY, could never become a human being and die, and anoint himself and pray to himself, and argue with himself in a human body with a human will and mind who was tempted to sin, etc. These must be blasphemous to preach and impossible feats to do. And yet there are many that believe SOMEHOW that Christ really never died because he was divine or that he died but ONLY his HUMAN nature and with his divine nature that became activated SOMEHOW, resurrected himself to life. How convenient using this inserted poison, invented as a non-scriptural temporary stop gap. What a load of crock....APAK
     
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    two natures and two wills in one person
    His human will always submitted to the fathers will
    Let this cup pass from me but not as I will but as thou will
     
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    LOL. That is what the dualist trinitarians are saying exactly.
     
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    Dualism.
    Numbers 23:19 says God is NOT man.
    Malachi 3:6 Says God will not change.
    Acts 17:31 He has fixed a day of accountability, when the whole world will be justly evaluated by a new, higher standard: not by a statue, but by a living man. God selected this man and made Him credible to all by raising Him from the dead.

    I'll take Scripture over your man-made dualistic claims any day.
     
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    That is a crazy example. no-one suggests that God the Father and Jesus went up a hill.
    You just built a straw man to knock down.
     
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    dualism holds more than one God

    God is not a man but his word became man

    these are mysteries
    We will not comprehend them completely
     
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    Sentence structure. Every epistle has a verse like this
    Blessed is God, the Father of our Lord Jesus, the Anointed One! Because He has raised Jesus the Anointed from death, through His great mercy we have been reborn into a living hope
    1 Peter 1:3 (VOICE)

    The sentence structure indicates God is the Father of Jesus. God raised Jesus from the dead. The sentence structure indicates they are 2 beings, like Jack and Jill going up the hill. This is the case over and over and over again. It's not a crazy example.
     
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    Dualism opens the door to all kinds of contradictions, not just how many Gods there are but asserts it is possible to have dual natures.

    Simple question. Did Jesus die? Because God is eternal and cannot die.
     
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    God is his father
    He is begotten not made
    His humanity is made
     
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    yes Jesus Died
    His human nature died
    His divinity did not die
     
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    Again it is a mystery
    You cannot know it completely
     
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    Just ranting against the idea that Jesus was true God and true man doesn't make it untrue. It's just your opinion.

    "Have this mind among yourselves, which is yours in Christ Jesus, who, though he was in the form of God, did not count equality with God a thing to be grasped, but emptied himself, taking the form of a servant, being born in the likeness of men. And being found in human form he humbled himself and became obedient unto death, even death on a cross." (Phil 2:5-8)
     
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