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Karl Peters

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Just so.

You will not understand the Bible without the Holy Spirit to teach you. But when you do, WOW!!!

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Much love!

That is correct, so you must listen to the voice of the Lord which comes through the Bible!! So the Word of God is not the Bible but the words that come through the Holy Spirit to us!!

However, Jesus Christ is the Teacher, and Jesus Christ is the Word of God - not even the Holy Spirit. God is One, but we tend to have a poor understanding of this. If we read John 16 we can get a better understanding.

We find that the Holy Spirit does not speak on His own initiative!! The Holy Spirit takes the words of God that belong to Jesus Christ and speak them to you!! So the Holy Spirit might be compare to a the computer in a zoom meeting, where the computer hooks you up with the Teacher! So we, though the Holy Spirit, have a direct connection with our Lord Jesus Christ.

We should and would understand this if we have been taught by the Lord, and those that hear from the Spirit know Jesus Christ as their Lord, Teacher, and Wonderful Counselor. So what I don't understand is how we say we follow the Bible, as opposed to following our Lord Jesus Christ? And who is it that we call the Bible "The Word of God" when the Bible clearly call Jesus Christ the Word of God because He talks to us personally via the Holy Spirit hooking us up with our Lord Jesus Christ. And how is it people who make such a big deal about following the Bible don't understand that our faith is in Jesus Christ like the Bible explains?

So the Bible is worth studying, because is able to give us the wisdom to seek Jesus Christ for ourselves! Yet people who supposedly have studied the Bible are still making it about leaning on their own understanding of the Bible and the Holy Spirit talking to them is like a 'nudging' as opposed to the One who gives them the very words of our Lord Jesus Christ, like a phone might give me the word of my brother and friend?

Anyway - it amazes me - that those claiming to know the Lord and Bible so well are not hearing words from Him everyday called "Today" and go back to leaning on their understanding of the Bible. It amazes me soo much, that I get up in the morning, like today, and I start wondering why they don't seem to just get up and say "Good Morning" and expect a response. And while I was thinking about this I heard, "Karl, say 'Good Morning to Me'. That of course cause me to laugh, because my Lord was joking with me, so I said , "Good Morning Lord" - to which He responded, "Good Moring Karl. I am with you." So we began talking again, like most mornings. He told me to get the laundry going, then He had me do a bit of other cleaning. Then He had me do a bit of work on my business. He also had me put on a podcast that I sometimes enjoyed. That is how my life is - walking and talking with Him through out the day. His words are spirit and our found in my spirit, so that I find His "words" in my heart.

We walk together and talk together. So it is that Isaiah makes sense to me when I read about hearing a voice every time you turn to the right or to the left. And those saying the follow the Bible make no sense to me. Moses makes sense to me when He explained that the word was near us, and Paul too. John makes sense to me by quoting Jesus as saying that His sheep hear His voice, and that His words are spirit coming through the Holy Spirit who does not speak on His own but takes the words of God which belong to our Lord Jesus Christ and gives them to us. That all makes sense, based on my walk with them - but the person saying don't hear words but get nudging and the person saying they have only heard from the Lords voice a couple of times, need to seek Him more because He is there for us, and it is His words that give us life.

Jn 6:40 “For this is the will of My Father, that everyone who beholds the Son and believes in Him will have eternal life, and I Myself will raise him up on the last day.”

So it is not 'put your faith in the Bible' but rather put your faith in Jesus Christ - just like the Bible explains over and over and over!
 

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It amazes me soo much, that I get up in the morning, like today, and I start wondering why they don't seem to just get up and say "Good Morning" and expect a response.
Is it really a healthy thing to wake up in the morning wondering what's wrong with everyone else?

How do you know my conversation with my Creator if I don't tell you? And I don't tell you. I'm not really one to put myself on display. So for the most part I don't. There is much much more to be gained from talking about Jesus and the Bible, than there is to share my opinions and perceptions of myself.

Much love!
 

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That is correct, so you must listen to the voice of the Lord which comes through the Bible!! So the Word of God is not the Bible but the words that come through the Holy Spirit to us!!
Do you read a Bible? Or have you stopped completely?

Just wondering.

Much love!
 

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That's the problem. You preach rejecting the Bible.

You seem to think God's voice is only in your head, and not in His Book.

Much love!

No we preach Jesus Christ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Do we not understand that if we preach Jesus Christ and people indeed seek Him - He will tell them to read their Bible???

What do you think??

Jesus Christ might not tell someone to read their Bible, but why won't He? Perhaps they can't read? Perhaps they don't have a Bible?

Abram believed and heard from the word of God but Abram did not have a Bible - it wasn't written yet so the Lord did not tell Abram to read it. To me, the very first words I heard from Him were "Read Your Bible".

Yet from the Holy Spirit I also heard "We don't use the Lord to preach the Scriptures, we used the Scriptures to preach the Lord!"

Have some gotten that back wards??? Are we Christians too often made it about knowing the Bible instead of actually knowing the Lord like the Bible says??? Yes the Bible is good for study - but if in our study we started preaching the Bible as opposed using the Bible to preach Jesus Christ then we have not been leading other to Jesus Christ!!!!!
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If we tell to follow the Bible as opposed to follow Jesus Christ then we are not leading them to Jesus Christ!!

So it is that I lead people to Jesus Christ by using the Bible!!! My friends - Jesus Christ is there for people!!! He is there to tell them to read their Bible - do we not trust Him to do what He needs to do??? What type of faith in Him is that???
 

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Do you read a Bible? Or have you stopped completely?

Just wondering.

Much love!

Look at the posts we have made between each other!!!!

Who quoted the most Scriptures to support their view??

Was it you or me???

Not only have I quoted more Scriptures - but also look at who between you and I have written more quotes from what they have actually claim to have heard from the Lord??

So you question above obviously needs to be asked of you more than me - and also the question of if you do listen to Him?

So the better question is whether you have stopped listening to Him, and that even while studying your Bible?

Still, is not your life made up much more than just your Bible??? So are you able to apply what you read in the Bible about the Lord always being with you to help you?

IT IS NOT ABOUT THE BIBLE - MY FRIENDS - IT IS ABOUT LIVING YOUR LIFE WITH JESUS CHRIST AS YOUR LORD AND FRIEND, WHO NEVER LEAVES YOU!!!

WHAT DID WE EVEN LEARN FROM OUR STUDYING THE BIBLE IF NOT THAT WE HAVE THE GREAT I AM AS THE WORD OF GOD THERE TO TALK TO US ALL DAY LONG???

Don't tell me you know the Lord if you don't know that life with Him, is so much more than reading your Bible!
 

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Not only have I quoted more Scriptures - but also look at who between you and I have written more quotes from what they have actually claim to have heard from the Lord??
Right. Am I supposed to start trotting out my stories?

What this seems like to me is an effort to turn attention actually AWAY from Jesus and onto one's self.

Don't tell me you know the Lord if you don't know that life with Him,

Let's not start making any assumptions here, and then act as if they are true, and so elevate yourself above others. That also seems to be what I'm seeing here.

There are people who come to this forum to make great claims of spirituality, only to go on to just make out that everyone else falls short. In doing so, they are trying to fill a certain inner need, but one which will not be filled in that way.

I'm hoping that's not what is happening.

Much love!
 

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Is it really a healthy thing to wake up in the morning wondering what's wrong with everyone else?

How do you know my conversation with my Creator if I don't tell you? And I don't tell you. I'm not really one to put myself on display. So for the most part I don't. There is much much more to be gained from talking about Jesus and the Bible, than there is to share my opinions and perceptions of myself.

Much love!

Mat 10:27 “What I tell you in the darkness, speak in the light; and what you hear whispered in your ear, proclaim upon the housetops.

Not only do we read in the Bible to tell people to hear what we get hear from the Lord (not that all can be told), but how can we not tell people about the Lord and that we hear from Him??

Ok - many and most of my conversations with Him are not that exciting, so if I pass them along there is a reason and that being that we can talk to Him about all things in our life!!!

As for being healthy - it is healthy to take all you thoughts to Him!!

n 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

2 Cor 10:5 We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,

I don't know what others talk about with the Lord unless He tells me, but if they are hearing from Him and obeying His voice, then they are going to be zealous for Him - are they not?

As for me, I get a zeal for people to know Him as I talk to Him!!! He is just that great - and even down to Him answering me when I say 'Good Morning to Him".

That is still amazing to me, that He (God) should talk to me. And I have had Him in my life over 20 years now! He still amazes me even with Him saying "Good morning, Karl", and "Turn right up ahead" so how much more with the incredible things like when He told me that if I prayed for this lady with carpel tunnel He would heal it, and He did. Heck - He had me work five years in a Christian Healing ministry, also in a hospital visitation ministry, and open and run a Christian bookstore for Him - and He did soooooo many things because I listen to Him then also. I have seen Him do hundreds of miracles and all of them, in one way or another, because I listened to Him.

So when He asks me to write threads about listening to Him, because He wants His people seeking Him and His voice, I am all into it. I have a zeal for Him because I know Him!! I know Him because Him and I talk!! And I can't see how anyone could not have a zeal for Him if they really were talking to Him a lot. It might not show up like my zeal for Him, but knowing Him has to mean pointing people to Him!!
 

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As for being healthy - it is healthy to take all you thoughts to Him!!
Yes, that's true, but I question the virtue and benefit of waking up wondering what's wrong with everyone else. Now, I expect that isn't actually your first though in the morning, I'd hope not, anyway, but, I'm reading how you write, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Much love!
 

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Yes, that's true, but I question the virtue and benefit of waking up wondering what's wrong with everyone else. Now, I expect that isn't actually your first though in the morning, I'd hope not, anyway, but, I'm reading how you write, and out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaks.

Much love!

I was just wondering why I don't find people here (A Christian Forum) who make their life about listening to who they say is there Lord. So I of course asked Him -- just like I ask Him about everything else.

Any it turns out that you are right. If Jesus Christ and listening to Him is on your heart then what comes out is your relationship with Him. If in fact religion and your own understanding of the Scriptures is on your heart, that comes out too. :)
 

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Want a truly 100% effective way to hear God speak ? All ya gotta do is two things—- purchase a Bible....then read it....

If you do read the Bible you will come across issued Jesus Christ and the other writers brought up.

Jn 5: 39 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life."

This was a big one. The Jews searched the Scriptures but did come to Him! So reading, searching through, and studying the Scriptures is not the same thing a coming to Him!!

Here is another problem Jesus had to cover with the Jews:

Jn 5:46 47 For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

So reading the Scriptures is not the same thing as actually believing what your read. And if you don't actually believe what Moses, and those like him, wrote then how are you going to believe the words of Jesus Christ?

Hear are a couple of other problems we find , when we read the bible, that people have:

Ex 30:14 “But the word is very near you, in your mouth and in your heart, that you may observe it.

Moses had to tell the people that the Word was near them, and found in their mouth and heart - so obviously not on page of a book or scroll! The people didn't understand that then, and so Moses told them such, and we can read about that mistake.

Of course the people did not want God to talk to them. If you do read the Bible you will read about this problem.

Ex 20:19 Then they said to Moses, “Speak to us yourself and we will listen; but let not God speak to us, or we will die.”

So they did not want God to speak to them. Is that a problem we have today also?

Now Paul, much later covered these same issues with the people of his time, because they were still a problem then.

Romans 10 :41-8 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes. For Moses writes that the man who practices the righteousness which is based on law shall live by that righteousness. But the righteousness based on faith speaks as follows: “DO NOT SAY IN YOUR HEART, ‘WHO WILL ASCEND INTO HEAVEN?’ (that is, to bring Christ down), or ‘WHO WILL DESCEND INTO THE ABYSS?’ (that is, to bring Christ up from the dead).” But what does it say? “THE WORD IS NEAR YOU, IN YOUR MOUTH AND IN YOUR HEART”—that is, the word of faith which we are preaching,

So indeed the Bible is worth reading and studying, but those who wrote the Bible we telling us to that the Word of God we preach was not the Bible but Jesus Christ!! He is the end of the law for righteousness - just like explain in the Scriptures. But you will listen to the message?

Ezek 3:7 yet the house of Israel will not be willing to listen to you, since they are not willing to listen to Me. Surely the whole house of Israel is stubborn and obstinate.

We can have the Scriptures. We can study the Scriptures. We can put our faith in the Scriptures. Yet none of that saves you!! You have to listen to Him, because only faith in Him saves you, and faith comes from hearing Him!!

Gal 3:22 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe.

Rom 10:17 So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ.

People - yes - read and study the Bible because it makes it clear that you must seek Him and His voice by faith!! He has a voice that can be heard in words. His words are spirit, because the Holy Spirit brings them to you spirit. So the line on line that you read tell you that must listen to His voice, which is spirit = not the line on line that you read. Reading and hearing are not the same thing! His words are spirit!

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

You find all the above in the Bible, and it should have all been explained to you at your Christian Church! Yet perhaps many are still saying, "Let not God speak to us" so perhaps they have closed there ears to Him?

Mat 13:15 FOR THE HEART OF THIS PEOPLE HAS BECOME DULL,
WITH THEIR EARS THEY SCARCELY HEAR,
AND THEY HAVE CLOSED THEIR EYES,
OTHERWISE THEY WOULD SEE WITH THEIR EYES,
HEAR WITH THEIR EARS,
AND UNDERSTAND WITH THEIR HEART AND RETURN,
AND I WOULD HEAL THEM.'


The above doesn't apply today also, does it?
 

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I get up in the morning and usually hear from the Lord via that small voice of His that I pick up in my spirit. As the day goes on I hear from Him more and more. He gives me instructions, teachings, bits of wisdom, encouragement, and much more. So I think other Christians understand about hearing from Him, and think that I should be able to have conversation with the about hearing from Him. Sadly, when I try I just wind up trying to convince other Christians that they can get up in the morning and have a conversation with Him. Getting them to just believe that can hear from Him today is an enormous struggle.

There are those that hear from our Lord. It is written the His sheep hear His voice. So there are those that do hear the voice of the Holy Spirit putting us in touch with our Lord Jesus Christ - just like the Bible explains should be the case. I have listened to some who hear Him amazingly well. I heard a story where a Christian was given the bank account of the person the Lord had them ministering to. The would take a lot of faith - that comes from a lot of time hearing from the Lord, to be able to pick up a bank account number from the Lord. You see practice hearing from Him make us better at hearing Him and also better at discerning good from evil. See the last part of Heb 5.

It would be nice to be able to find people like that to discuss hearing from the Lord with, instead of just trying to convince a people that hearing from Him is possible and He is alive and active so you can personally converse with Him today. I shouldn't have to explain that on a Christian forum - His sheep are supposed to be hearing His voice and that is not the same as reading your Bible. You should be able to ask Him about your Bible is get back information that you can pick up in words in your spirit! If anyone doesn't know that they don't really know Him! He is not the Bible, He is the One who talked to those who did write the Scriptures and who was telling them to write.

The Good News is that anyone can start a relationship with Him. OK - maybe at the beginning His voice is more of a feeling, because you are still pretty dull of hearing because you have not practiced seeking Him and hearing from Him. Never-the-less start seeking Him and what He has to say. It get clearer, and those feeling and nudgings will start becoming words and His voice will get clearer. You'll find that somedays it seems easier to hear from Him and other times not so easy, but He is always there so keep trying. You will find that somethings are easier to hear about than other things. Somethings just take more faith to believe and answer for than others. So if you have trouble hearing from Him on one subject, change the subject to something easier to hear from Him on.

You will find it is easier to hear from Him for your next step than for your next job. So it is that He like to guide your steps, and you will get the instructions that leads you to the job you need.

As you keep listening and growing you will find out that He is the King of kings and so you will find out that he sends angels to minister to you also. In Hebrews you can read about how He sends His angels to minister to you, and the Scriptures are correct. Ang again, as you continue to practice using your spiritual senses by seek Jesus Christ, your Lord, you understanding of what is going on around you in the heavenly/spiritual realm will grow. Yet more importantly, your understanding is so much worse that you could have imagined, so that your only real hope is to lean on His understanding and not yours. That means you have to seek Him and listen to Him all the more.
 

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Jn 5: 39 “You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; it is these that testify about Me; and you are unwilling to come to Me so that you may have life."

This was a big one. The Jews searched the Scriptures but did come to Him! So reading, searching through, and studying the Scriptures is not the same thing a coming to Him!!

So what are you trying to say here?

That you can't/don't/won't hear Jesus in the Bible??

I'll tell you right now I disagree with you completely. And if you think that means I don't hear God in my spirit, so what, think what you want. But I will most certainly elevate a human's ability to know God's voice in Scripture over the voices in one's mind.

Much love!
 
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I get up in the morning and usually hear from the Lord via that small voice of His that I pick up in my spirit. As the day goes on I hear from Him more and more.

I have listened to some who hear Him amazingly well.

You keep saying this, and you keep pushing away the Bible. I don't find these two facts to be compatible.

People - yes - read and study the Bible because it makes it clear that you must seek Him and His voice by faith!! He has a voice that can be heard in words. His words are spirit, because the Holy Spirit brings them to you spirit. So the line on line that you read tell you that must listen to His voice, which is spirit = not the line on line that you read. Reading and hearing are not the same thing! His words are spirit!

Learn to hear His Voice in His Word, I should say!

The Pharisees hadn't done that, so they failed to have a real appreciation for the Book God gave us, by which we can come to know Him. You can toss it aside if you want, tell us we are all remedial because we haven't, so what? I know otherwise.

Much love!
 

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So what are you trying to say here?

That you can't/don't/won't hear Jesus in the Bible??

I'll tell you right now I disagree with you completely. And if you think that means I don't hear God in my spirit, so what, think what you want. But I will most certainly elevate a human's ability to know God's voice in Scritpure over the voices in one's mind.

Much love!

You don't hear Jesus Christ in the Bible - You hear Jesus Christ via His Holy Spirit!!!!

That is why Paul wrote:

Rom 10:4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone who believes.

And why Jesus explained:

Jn 16: 13,14 “But when He, the Spirit of truth, comes, He will guide you into all the truth; for He will not speak on His own initiative, but whatever He hears, He will speak; and He will disclose to you what is to come. “He will glorify Me, for He will take of Mine and will disclose it to you.

And again is why Paul & Moses explained that the word was near you, thus found - in your heart and mouth. - Thus not in a book, even the Bible.

The Bible is a record of what the Lord said to those who wrote it!! If you don't believe Moses when he wrote down, on behalf of the Lord, that the word of God was found in your heart and mouth, and thus near you no matter where you Bible happens to be, then how are you going to understand that you are supposed to be hearing the words from Jesus Christ from the Holy Spirit with your spirit?

Jn 5:26,47 “For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me, for he wrote about Me. “But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

Now the Bible is good for reading and study. It can give you the wisdom that leads to Jesus Christ - but that doesn't mean that everyone who reads the Bible believes those who wrote it - like the verse above explains. And the Bible is good for reproof and teaching, but that doesn't mean that everyone will except the reproof or is willing to be taught the things in the Bible.

I am sure we can find someone around today, who like those in the times of Jesus, who are searching the Scriptures thinking in them they have life instead of seeking the voice of the Lord who words of life come through the Holy Spirit.

Jn 6:63 “It is the Spirit who gives life; the flesh profits nothing; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and are life.

It happened back then that God's people had a tendency to say "Let not God speak to us", so that while they were find with reading and studying the Scriptures they still were not actually willing to seek the Lord and His words by faith.

People - we are suppose to be putting our faith in Jesus Christ - just like is explained in the Holy Scriptures!! Yet some are unwilling to cometo Him today just like some were unwilling to come to Him back then!!! The Scriptures will not save you. The Scriptures can lead you to Jesus Christ, but only if you believe that they are correct and actually start searching for Him. You will find His words for you personally in your heart!! Of perhaps even coming from your mouth at times. Simply because God is spirit and so His words to us are words from the Holy Spirit spoke to our spirit. Don't be like the Pharisees and Sadducees, who leaned on their own understanding and traditions. Seek the Lord Jesus Christ and listen for His words coming via the Holy Spirit, just like those who wrote the Bible!!

Reading is not hearing!!!

What those prophets of old heard can be read in the Bible, but them hearing from the Lord a few thousand years ago is not you hearing from Him "Today"!

If you actually believe in Him you will hear from His Holy Spirit "Today" words that are personal for you. It is about a relationship, not the Law!

Gal 3:12 However, the Law is not of faith; on the contrary, “HE WHO PRACTICES THEM SHALL LIVE BY THEM.”

Ga; 3:15 Brethren, I speak in terms of human relations

Sadly people then were looking to the Scriptures for a bunch of rules to live by , when they were supposed to be developing a relationship with the Lord - like Abraham had done! Paul explained that. Moses explain that. John explained that. Jesus explained that to all His disciples, and He still does!!

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You keep saying this, and you keep pushing away the Bible. I don't find these two facts to be compatible.



Learn to hear His Voice in His Word, I should say!

The Pharisees hadn't done that, so they failed to have a real appreciation for the Book God gave us, by which we can come to know Him. You can toss it aside if you want, tell us we are all remedial because we haven't, so what? I know otherwise.

Much love!

"IN His Word???"

He is the Word of God and He is not the Bible!! Has He not been revealed to you?

Gal 3:22,23 But the Scripture has shut up everyone under sin, so that the promise by faith in Jesus Christ might be given to those who believe. But before faith came, we were kept in custody under the law, being shut up to the faith which was later to be revealed.

We are still in the custody of the law are we? We are not still shut up under the Scriptures, are we?

If for some reason Jesus Christ has not been reveal at this time He should be! Behold the Good News - Jesus Christ:

Rev 3:20 ‘Behold, I stand at the door and knock; if anyone hears My voice and opens the door, I will come in to him and will dine with him, and he with Me.

I testify that I hear from Him daily. We talk together. I hear His voice. Indeed, I was working on my business this morning when He again asked me to come and post on this Christian Forum. As a Christian Forum, it is for those following our Lord and it is written that His sheep hear His voice - not that His sheep read His voice! A voice is not read, it is heard! Of course it is also written that with their eyes they don't see and with their ears they barely hear - which of course does not refer to our physical eyes and ears because we can all hear and see with them. God is spirit so you must use your spiritual senses to pick up what He has to say.

Jer 6:10 To whom shall I speak and give warning That they may hear? Behold, their ears are closed And they cannot listen. Behold, the word of the LORD has become a reproach to them; They have no delight in it.


Is 28:13,14 He who said to them, “Here is rest, give rest to the weary,” And, “Here is repose,” but they would not listen. So the word of the LORD to them will be, “Order on order, order on order, Line on line, line on line, A little here, a little there,”
That they may go and stumble backward, be broken, snared and taken captive.

According the Bible, if you Word of God to you is "line on line, line on line" it is because you would not listen!

It's simple - if you listen to the Lord you know Him as the Word of God, because you know Him personally and thus personally get words from Him! For example:

John knew Him as the Word of God - Jn 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God.

Abram and Moses who wrote about Abraham knew the Christ as the Word of God/Lord.

Gen 15:1 After these things the word of the LORD came to Abram in a vision, saying,
“Do not fear, Abram, I am a shield to you; Your reward shall be very great.”

Abram and Moses did not read a book to know the word of the Lord, they listened to Him!!

And it was no different with Samuel

Sam 15:10 Then the word of the LORD came to Samuel, saying,

A word is something that is said, but a person does the saying. So "the word of the Lord" is the name of the One who spoken to those like Abram and Samuel.

Rev 19:13 He is clothed with a robe dipped in blood, and His name is called The Word of God.

I know Him His name is call "The Word of God", simply because I hear from Him everyday. The Holy Spirit is not the only spirit, so we need to test the spirits and use discernment, never-the-less who is using discernment if they are just reading the Bible instead of seeking Jesus Christ by faith?

Anna and Simeon, heard from word of the Lord and knew Him thought He appear only as a child in the flesh. The Pharisees didn't hear from the word of the Lord and so didn't know Him though He stood in front of them as a man who explained this to them.

Jn 8:43 “Why do you not understand what I am saying? It is because you cannot hear My word.

Is not the same true today. Why can they not understand that God is spirit so that His words are spirit and not the ink on pages? Is it becuse they cannot hear His words?
 

Curtis

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You are essentially saying that I can stop myself from hearing God by putting my hands over my ears. If I think I can't hear God, then I can't hear God? That's putting the inmates in charge of the asylum.

I'm wondering . . . how does God let people know that He speaks to them? Isn't it by speaking to them?

I don't think God let's me run the relationship based on my fleshy weakness. I think God remains constant, calling me upward in ways I can hear, whatever they may be.

Much love!

In the new covenant, you get the promises you believe in, be it salvation, or physical healing, or God talking to you as a Father talks to his son.
 

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In the new covenant, you get the promises you believe in, be it salvation, or physical healing, or God talking to you as a Father talks to his son.
I agree, there is, "be it to you according to your faith". But I don't think we call the shots in our lives by what we believe.

Much love!
 

Karl Peters

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I agree, there is, "be it to you according to your faith". But I don't think we call the shots in our lives by what we believe.

Much love!

So if you agree according to our faith, but not that we can "call our own shots" - then how would that apply with an omni-present God?

If omni-present - then by faith shouldn't I believe I could hear from Him if I asked a question and hear Him call the shots???