Biblical Mary

[BreadOfLife]

Absolutely not! You've lost the argument when you have to retreat to a foreign language.

I apologize if I've ever called any of your previous posts "stupid" - because THIS is without a doubt the MOST stupid thing you've ever posted.

A "Foreign" language??
When it comes to Scripture - English is is the "foreign" language, not Hebrew and Greek.

 

[Wrangler]

Retreat to a foreign language!. That's hilarious!
What language do you think the scriptures were written in?
English?

I speak English. I am griot.

You have no argument in any language. Changing the language does not change the argument. Pure diversion.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Well as I am an uneducatred rube and guilty of bearing false witness to you- I shan't waste your "precious time" giving you answers that are so uneducated in your mind.

But you are just as snobbish as mungo. Well my cite to mungo showing Nimrod and semiramis were married came fromo teh Britannica oh nose in the air one!

And your laqck of careful reading is glaring, constantine did not promulgate Roman Catholicism, but His actions and the events He initiated were the seeds that help conceive roman Catholicism.

and you sir are simply a liar. I do not bear witness for anything agains t1 billion Catholics. But if you get get your nose down straight, perhaps you can stoop so low as to tell this uneducated rube what I am supposed to be bearing false witness against these 1,000,000,000 people.

BTW, Encyclopedias are not the be all , end all, final arbiters of everything that took place in Christendom throughou t history.

Point of fact. a google search of the INQUISITION. Of the first 8 pages of references Only two references were from your infallible REAL sources and it hardly covered anything other than general information. But I can get you loads of real dirt on what the church did during the dark ages that your real sources would not report on.

My insistence on the truth has nothing to do wih being "snobbish" - as you falsely assert.
The problem is that you're SO used to telling LIES about the Catholic Church that you can't even recognize where the lies end and the truth starts.

Even a rudimentary search in a common source like wikipedia shows that Hislop's "history" was a pack of lies:
Semiramis - Wikipedia
Critics dismissed Hislop's speculations as based on misunderstandings.[42][43] Lester L. Grabbe has claimed Hislop's argument, particularly his association of Ninus with Nimrod, is based on a misunderstanding of historical Babylon and its religion.[42] Grabbe criticized Hislop for portraying Semiramis as Nimrod's consort, despite that she has not been found in a single text associated with him,[42] and for portraying her as the "mother of harlots", even though this is not how she is depicted in any of the texts where she is mentioned.[42] Ralph Woodrow has stated that Alexander Hislop "picked, chose and mixed" portions of various myths from different cultures.[45]

Do your homework and stop embarrassing yourself . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

Very true sister . The way they promote mary , sets her far above even Christ .

Can you show me the official Catholic Church teaching that places Mary "far above" Christ?
Please show it to me from the Catechism or from an official Church document.

Otherwise - just admit that you lied and violated God's Commandment against bearing FALSE witness (Exod. 20:16).
I'll wait right here . . .

 

[theefaith]

All are equal in Christ

Galatians 3:28
There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ jesus.

yet there are different roles

Christ is King
Mary is King
Peter is pope

 

[theefaith]

Spell check strikes against

Christ is king!
Mary is Queen!

 

[amigo de christo]

Can you show me the official Catholic Church teaching that places Mary "far above" Christ?
Please show it to me from the Catechism or from an official Church document.

Otherwise - just admit that you lied and violated God's Commandment against bearing FALSE witness (Exod. 20:16).
I'll wait right here . . .

Please , i watch folks . And on many sites as well , i have watched catholic prayers . mary usually gets the majority of the prayer ,
then follows a few words to some other saint , and maybe JESUS gets one line of the prayer .
Today is july fifteenth in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty one . The reason i bring this date up ,
is because of judgement day , ya wont be able to say someone did not warn you to come Out of her . I DID . For my heart
desires only good for the people . COME YE OUT OF HER , BE YE HOLY and let us learn bibles .

 

[theefaith]

Please , i watch folks . And on many sites as well , i have watched catholic prayers . mary usually gets the majority of the prayer ,
then follows a few words to some other saint , and maybe JESUS gets one line of the prayer .
Today is july fifteenth in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty one . The reason i bring this date up ,
is because of judgement day , ya wont be able to say someone did not warn you to come Out of her . I DID . For my heart
desires only good for the people . COME YE OUT OF HER , BE YE HOLY and let us learn bibles .

Christ gets all the credit and all the glory for His merits are the source of all graces that come to us thru Mary most holy!


2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in hissaints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

 

[amigo de christo]

Christ gets all the credit and all the glory for His merits are the source of all graces that come to us thru Mary most holy!


2 Thessalonians 1:10
When he shall come to be glorified in hissaints, and to be admired in all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that day.

This lamb dont buy the RCC my friend . You should have been praying to GOD in JESUS name . But let it not be said , I didnt try to help you .
Come ye out of her and be Ye holy . Remains my cry unto all the peoples .

 

[theefaith]

This lamb dont buy the RCC my friend . You should have been praying to GOD in JESUS name . But let it not be said , I didnt try to help you .
Come ye out of her and be Ye holy . Remains my cry unto all the peoples .

outside the church there is. I salvation no grace no Christ!

1 Pet 3:20 Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

21 The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us!
(Ark of Noah a type of the church, member of Christ and his church and salvation by baptism!)
(Outside the ark none were saved, outside the church none are saved)
The church is the ark of salvation!

 

[theefaith]

Jn 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in you.

54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me, and I in him.

57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he that eateth me, even he shall live by me.

58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live for ever.

59 These things said he in the synagogue, as he taught in Capernaum.

60 Many therefore of his disciples, when they had heard this, said, This is an hard saying; who can hear it?

61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he said unto them, Doth this offend you?

62 What and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was before?

63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life.

64 But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.

65 And he said, Therefore said I unto you, that no man can come unto me, except it were given unto him of my Father.

66 From that time many of his disciples went back, and walked no more with him.

67 Then said Jesus unto the twelve, Will ye also go away?

68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

69 And we believe and are sure that thou art that Christ, the Son of the living God.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Please , i watch folks . And on many sites as well , i have watched catholic prayers . mary usually gets the majority of the prayer ,
then follows a few words to some other saint , and maybe JESUS gets one line of the prayer .
Today is july fifteenth in the year of our Lord two thousand and twenty one . The reason i bring this date up ,
is because of judgement day , ya wont be able to say someone did not warn you to come Out of her . I DID . For my heart
desires only good for the people . COME YE OUT OF HER , BE YE HOLY and let us learn bibles .

Sooooo, instead of answering the question about your false claims - you dance around the issue.
I didn't ask you about the date.

ONE more time:
Can you show me the official Catholic Church teaching that places Mary "far above" Christ?
Please show it to me from the Catechism or from an official Church document.

If you can't show me this teaching - why don't you simply admit that you LIED?

 

[Mungo]

I speak English. I am griot.

You have no argument in any language. Changing the language does not change the argument. Pure diversion.

Then why bring up the language?

In your signature you quote Mk 12:29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord [kurios] our God[theos], the Lord [kurios] is one;

Now what does Thomas say to Jesus in John 20:28?
Thomas answered him, “My Lord[kurios] and my God[theos]!”

And did Jesus respond "No Thomas I'm not Lord [kurios] or God[theos]"?
No, Jesus approved of what Thomas said “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”. You need to start believing

 

[theefaith]

Then why bring up the language?

In your signature you quote Mk 12:29
Jesus answered, “The first is, ‘Hear, O Israel: The Lord [kurios] our God[theos], the Lord [kurios] is one;

Now what does Thomas say to Jesus in John 20:28?
Thomas answered him, “My Lord[kurios] and my God[theos]!”

And did Jesus respond "No Thomas I'm not Lord [kurios] or God[theos]"?
No, Jesus approved of what Thomas said “Have you believed because you have seen me? Blessed are those who have not seen and yet believe.”. You need to start believing

So increase your faith hope and charity and rejects those fundamentalist rigorist false teachers

 

[Curtis]

even luther and calvin oppose you’re fundamentalism


Martin Luther

It is an article of faith that Mary is Mother of the Lord and still a virgin. … Christ, we believe, came forth from a womb left perfectly intact. (Weimer’s The Works of Luther, English translation by Pelikan, Concordia, St. Louis, v. 11, pp. 319-320; v. 6. p. 510.)

John Calvin

(On the Heretic Helvidius) Helvidius displayed excessive ignorance in concluding that Mary must have had many sons, because Christ’s “brothers” are sometimes mentioned. (Harmony of Matthew, Mark and Luke, sec. 39 [Geneva, 1562], vol. 2 / From Calvin’s Commentaries, translated by William Pringle, Grand Rapids, Michigan: Eerdmans, 1949, p.215; on Matthew 13:55)

[On Matt 1:25:] The inference he [Helvidius] drew from it was, that Mary remained a virgin no longer than till her first birth, and that afterwards she had other children by her husband . . . No just and well-grounded inference can be drawn from these words . . . as to what took place after the birth of Christ. He is called “first-born”; but it is for the sole purpose of informing us that he was born of a virgin . . . What took place afterwards the historian does not inform us . . . No man will obstinately keep up the argument, except from an extreme fondness for disputation. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 107)

Under the word “brethren” the Hebrews include all cousins and other relations, whatever may be the degree of affinity. (Pringle, ibid., vol. I, p. 283 / Commentary on John, [7:3])

John Wesley

‘I believe that He [Jesus] was made man, joining the human nature with the divine in one person; being conceived by the singular operation of the Holy Ghost, and born of the blessed Virgin Mary, who, as well after as before she brought Him forth, continued a pure and unspotted virgin’ (‘Letter to a Roman Catholic’, The Works of Rev. John Wesley, vol 10, p. 81).

Martin Luther is not my substitute pope. He learned enough from the letter that the apostle to the gentile Roman catholic named Paul wrote to them, called THE BOOK OF ROMANS to break away from that mass of doctrinal corruption, but as an ex RC priest, he had a lot of RCC baggage that he catried around with him like Maryolatry and hatred of the Jews.

You can keep citing non biblical errors from different people until the cows come home, as they say, but I will stick with the scriptures, which has the final authority on all matters of doctrine.

 

[theefaith]

Martin Luther is not my substitute pope. He learned enough from the letter that the apostle to the gentile Roman catholic named Paul wrote to them, called THE BOOK OF ROMANS to break away from that mass of doctrinal corruption, but as an ex RC priest, he had a lot of RCC baggage that he catried around with him like Maryolatry and hatred of the Jews.

You can keep citing non biblical errors from different people until the cows come home, as they say, but I will stick with the scriptures, which has the final authority on all matters of doctrine.

you don’t have scripture on you’re side
Fundamentalism ain’t biblical

 

[Webers_Home]

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This is off the subject of Jesus' mom but I think it's something that needs
saying from time to time.

Internet forums have given many of Christ's obscure followers a convenient
venue for sharing their time-won knowledge and experience with a
worldwide audience. For the world's sake, I highly recommend making an
effort to compose legible posts; neatly arranged, sensible, coherent, and tidy.

Excessive bolding, underscoring, and italics, lack of adequate paragraphing,
twitter spelling, unnecessary emogies, horrible grammar, confusing mixtures
of fonts and colors, and/or shouting with caps and oversize letters, makes
for tiresome clutter and annoying graffiti that leave a bad impression.

Some people's posts resemble the obnoxious placards of worked-up
protesters and political activists; yelling, shrieking, and sometimes even
spraying spittle. They are beyond reason and objectivity in their desperation
to be taken seriously. Apparently they assume that if only they shout loud
enough, make themselves aggravating enough, and hold out long enough;
maybe they'll get their point across and somebody will finally listen.

I rather suspect that some people regard forums as a canvas for painting
their comments instead of composing them. Well; that might be okay for
outsiders, they can scrawl and splash and be as messy as they want because
their comments don't matter anyway. But for those of us who honestly
believe ourselves to be representing God's son; that kind of penmanship is
unacceptable because it reflects on Christ and makes him look like his
followers are desperate kooks.
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[Webers_Home]

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FAQ: Were Joseph and Jesus' mom married?

A: There's an argument that they were.

FAQ: When did they get married?

A: There's an argument that they were married some time before the angel
showed up to announce Jesus' conception.

FAQ: But if they were married, then why did Mary tell the angel that she
wasn't sleeping with anybody?

A: There's an argument that Mary was under a vow of perpetual virginity at
the time.

FAQ: Why on earth would Joseph marry a girl with whom he could never
have a family of his own?

A: There's an argument that Joseph was a perpetual virgin, and that his
marriage to Jesus' mom wasn't for normal purposes.

FAQ: Aren't you going to explain these arguments about which you speak?

A: They're online.
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[theefaith]

Stands to reason

they were called
They sacrificed a lower good of sex for a higher good of the salvation of the world

 

[Curtis]

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FAQ: Were Joseph and Jesus' mom married?

A: There's an argument that they were.

FAQ: When did they get married?

A: There's an argument that they were married some time before the angel
showed up to announce Jesus' conception.

FAQ: But if they were married, then why did Mary tell the angel that she
wasn't sleeping with anybody?

A: There's an argument that Mary was under a vow of perpetual virginity at
the time.

FAQ: Why on earth would Joseph marry a girl with whom he could never
have a family of his own?

A: There's an argument that Joseph was a perpetual virgin, and that his
marriage to Jesus' mom wasn't for normal purposes.

FAQ: Aren't you going to explain these arguments about which you speak?

A: They're online.
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1. Mary was betrothed, not married, to Joseph at the angelic visitation.

2. Scripture plainly says Joseph had sexual relations with his wife Mary, after Jesus was born.

3. Scripture says the reason they rejected Jesus in His own hometown, is because they knew well His family of Mother, sisters, and brothers, so they disbelieved that He could be the Messiah and have a normal human family.