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Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.




Blessing from God thru Mary!

All graces come to us they Mary, from God by the merits (blood) of Christ!
Jn 1:16
Of His fullness we have all received, grace for grace!

Elizabeth filled with the Holy Spirit!

Lk 1:41 And it came to pass, that, when Elisabeth heard the salutation of Mary, the babe leaped in her womb; and Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Ghost:

John sanctified in the womb!

Lk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb.

Lk 1:44 For, lo, as soon as the voice of thy salutation sounded in mine ears, the babe leaped in my womb for joy.

Zacharias is filled with the Holy Spirit and prophecy!

Lk 1:67 And his father Zacharias was filled with the Holy Ghost, and prophesied, saying,

The wedding couple have wine and not shame!

Jn 2: 10 And saith unto him, Every man at the beginning doth set forth good wine; and when men have well drunk, then that which is worse: but thou hast kept the good wine until now.

The disciples are supplied with faith, hope, and charity!

11 This beginning of miracles did Jesus in Cana of Galilee, and manifested forth his glory; and his disciples believed on him.

All these blessings from God because of Mary most holy!

Mother of Divine Grace!

Hebrews 4:16
Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.

The throne of Grace is the throne of Mary the ever Virgin mother of God!

We come boldly to this throne cause Mary is our mother and advocate!

Mary is the storehouse of divine graces!

Lk 1:28
And the angel entered to her, and said, Hail Mary, full of grace; the Lord is with thee; blessed be thou among women.

All graces come from the merits of Christ, from His passion and death and come thru Mary to the glory of Her only begotten Son!
The real Mary died along with all the others and her body is in a grave somewhere. Her spirit is with the godly spirits awaiting to the raised on the last day. She is not the Queen of Heaven. She is DEAD and no longer has any influence on the living.

If you think you are reverencing the real Mary, you are doing so to a pile of bones in a grave. Jesus said, "Why seek the living among the dead?"
 

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Behold thy mother!

What does Behold in scripture mean?

A marvelous thing!
A miraculous action!
A wonder!
An awe inspiring declaration!

Behold thy mother!

John 19:26-27
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son! Then saith has he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

Jesus is not asking John to care for His Mary, if so He would have said so, he is not even speaking to John, scripture says He is addressing the disciple, therefore it applies to all disciples.

Jesus is making Mary spiritual mother to all disciples! And all disciples take Her into thier home, And if the apostle John needs a spiritual mother so do we!

What is the family of God without a mother? The mother is the heart of the family! Jesus said I will not leave you orphans! Jn 14:18 He gave Mary to be the mother of one disciple then He does so for all disciples!

As eve was the mother of all the living in the first creation, gen 3:20 so Mary is the mother of all those who live in Christ and the new creation! Behold, I make all things new!

Rev 12:17 our spiritual mother!

Rachel is spiritual mother of Israel!
A type of Mary as spiritual mother of Christians!

The 12 sons of Jacob have 4 biological mothers, but Rachel is the spiritual mother of all Israel!

Matt 2:18 In Rama was there a voice heard, lamentation, and weeping, and great mourning, Rachel weeping for her children, and would not be comforted, because they are no more.

You left out where Mary sent word to Jesus that she wanted to be let through the large crowd that surrounded Him, but when the word came to Jesus that His mother was outside wanting to come in, Jesus didn’t do anything, and instead said that whoever does the will of God is His mother.
 

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The real Mary died along with all the others and her body is in a grave somewhere. Her spirit is with the godly spirits awaiting to the raised on the last day. She is not the Queen of Heaven. She is DEAD and no longer has any influence on the living.

If you think you are reverencing the real Mary, you are doing so to a pile of bones in a grave. Jesus said, "Why seek the living among the dead?"

Close. Since our body is our home that we leave at death and go to be with the Lord, her body sleeps in the dirt, but she’s in heaven - but not as the queen of heaven.

The only mention of the queen of heaven in the Bible is a false idol that was worshipped in the OT - hmmm... come to think of it, that idolatry has carried over into the NT, hasn’t it?

Jer 7:17 Do you not see what they are doing in the cities of Judah and in the streets of Jerusalem?

Jer 7:18 The children gather wood, the fathers kindle fire, and the women knead dough, to make cakes for the queen of heaven. And they pour out drink offerings to other gods, to provoke me to anger.

Jer 7:19 Is it I whom they provoke? declares the LORD. Is it not themselves, to their own shame?

Jer 7:20 Therefore thus says the Lord GOD: Behold, my anger and my wrath will be poured out on this place, upon man and beast, upon the trees of the field and the fruit of the ground; it will burn and not be quenched.”
 
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No. There are many lords. God is not a lord but the LORD. Nowhere in Scripture is Jesus referred to as the LORD, only Lord, like many others in the Bible. You do discern the difference, right?

Scripture wasn't written in English.
This LORD vs Lord is spurious.
 

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Mary is NOT the Biological mother of Jesus.
Nothing of Mary Caused her To be pregnant with Jesus...not her blood, her flesh, her will, cells, seed, idea, intercourse...zip.

John 1
[13] Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man....


Mother of your salvation.
My Salvation is the Lord God Almighty, He is eternal, without Mother or Father.

Mother of your God.
My God is eternal, without Mother or Father.

jesus is God
Jesus is our salvation
Mary is his mother
 

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The real Mary died along with all the others and her body is in a grave somewhere. Her spirit is with the godly spirits awaiting to the raised on the last day. She is not the Queen of Heaven. She is DEAD and no longer has any influence on the living.

If you think you are reverencing the real Mary, you are doing so to a pile of bones in a grave. Jesus said, "Why seek the living among the dead?"

In heaven body and soul reigning with Christ the king rev 12:1

Saints are alive in Christ

John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
 

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The real Mary died along with all the others and her body is in a grave somewhere. Her spirit is with the godly spirits awaiting to the raised on the last day. She is not the Queen of Heaven. She is DEAD and no longer has any influence on the living.

If you think you are reverencing the real Mary, you are doing so to a pile of bones in a grave. Jesus said, "Why seek the living among the dead?"

Protestant fundamentalism is NOT biblical
 

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You left out where Mary sent word to Jesus that she wanted to be let through the large crowd that surrounded Him, but when the word came to Jesus that His mother was outside wanting to come in, Jesus didn’t do anything, and instead said that whoever does the will of God is His mother.

therefore He was glorifying His mother
Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord

Protestant fundamentalism is NOT biblical
 

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Mary is NOT the Biological mother of Jesus.
Nothing of Mary Caused her To be pregnant with Jesus...not her blood, her flesh, her will, cells, seed, idea, intercourse...zip.

John 1
[13] Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man....

This is referring to us- Christians not Christ.
12 But to all who received him, who believed in his name, he gave power to become children of God; 13 who were born, not of blood nor of the will of the flesh nor of the will of man, but of God. (John 1:12-13).

Jesus was the biological child of Mary.
 

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FAQ: Why was Mary selected for Jesus' mother?
A: It was due to a combination of genetics and the moment.
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» Mary was a Jew biologically related to David (Rom 1:3) and
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» Joseph was a Jew biologically related to David (Matt 1:20) and

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» Their coincidence in history. (Gal 4:4)
God id not the God of "chance". He doesn't deal in "coincidences".
He is the God of ORDER - and everything in His plan is ordered to His will.

Mary was the mother of Jesus (God) because God CHOSE her to be. She is Kecharitomene (Luke 1:28) because God MADE her that way.
Joseph was also chosen to raise Him.
 

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Mary was prepared by God in the first moment of Her being created by the grace of the immaculate conception
 

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WOW.
Your ignorance and gullibility FAR exceed that of any uneducated rube I've ever come in contact with.

For starters - just because you "Googled" something DOESN'T make it true. For your information - according to REAL sources like the Encyclopedia Americana, Encyclopedia Britannica, Encyclopedia Judaica, Encyclopedia of Religion, and World Book Encyclopedia - not only do they say NOTHING of Semiramis and Nimrod being married - but that they didn't even live in the same century.
Everything you said after that on the subject collapses like so many dominoes . . .

As for your incredibly idiotic claim in RED about Constantine - not only is this manure, it can't be proven.
The Romans were REAL sticklers about records, decress, declarations and other documents.
SHOW ME the document from Constantine that promulgated the Catholic Church.

If you can't do that - then YOU as guilty of violating god's command against bearing FALSE WITNESS against over a billion people.
You are correct about Constantine. His involvement in the establishment of the Papacy had been overrated. The actual establishment of the Papacy didn't take place until 200 odd years later, and the emperor involved in that was Justinian.
 

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Mary is NOT the Biological mother of Jesus.
Nothing of Mary Caused her To be pregnant with Jesus...not her blood, her flesh, her will, cells, seed, idea, intercourse...zip.


John 1
[13] Which were born,
not of blood,
nor of the will of the flesh,
nor of the will of man....


Mother of your salvation.
My Salvation is the Lord God Almighty, He is eternal, without Mother or Father.

Mother of your God.
My God is eternal, without Mother or Father.
WRONG.

God Himself foretells how the seed of the woman will crush the head of the serpent:
Gen. 3:15
And I will put enmity between thee and the WOMAN, and between thy seed and HER SEED; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.

Study your Bible . . .
 

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You are correct about Constantine. His involvement in the establishment of the Papacy had been overrated. The actual establishment of the Papacy didn't take place until 200 odd years later, and the emperor involved in that was Justinian.
Again - for which you have ZERO historical evidence.

I can just as easily say that your false prophetess, Ellen White, is an extraterrestrial from Pluto - but that would be just as stupid and unsubstantiated as YOUR claim . . .
 

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Again - for which you have ZERO historical evidence.

I can just as easily say that your false prophetess, Ellen White, is an extraterrestrial from Pluto - but that would be just as stupid and unsubstantiated as YOUR claim . . .
KJV Revelation 13:2
2 And the beast which I saw was like unto a leopard, and his feet were as the feet of a bear, and his mouth as the mouth of a lion: and the dragon gave him his power, and his seat, and great authority.
That dragon was the same dragon that stood before the woman to destroy the child; that dragon stood there in the guise of the Roman puppet king, Herod. That same Roman power in later centuries in the guise of the emperor Justinian, gave the bishop of Rome his official sanction to rule over all the churches. This power... This Roman seat... This papal throne... Was granted to the bishop of Rome by Justinian as part of what became known as Justinian's Code, a rule of law that would dominate European politics and religion for over a 1000 years. More on that shortly. This took place in 533ad. While the Catholic power in Rome wained back and forth over the centuries, Justinian's Code laid the legal and prophetic
foundation for the rise of the Papacy.
AD March 533: Justinian's letter to John reads:
"Justinian: victor, pius, fortunate, ever Augustus, to John, the most holy Archbishop and patriarch of the noble city of Rome. Paying honor to the Apostolic See and to Your Holiness, as always has been and is our desire, and honoring your Blessedness as a father, we hasten to bring to the knowledge of Your Holiness all that pertains to the condition of the churches , since it has always been our great aim to safeguard the unity of your Apostolic See and the position of the holy churches of God which now prevails and abides securely without any disturbing trouble. Therefore we have been sedulous to subject and unite all the priests of the Orient throughout its whole extent to the See of Your Holiness. Whatever questions happen to be mooted at present , we have thought necessary to be brought to Your Holiness' knowledge, however clear and unquestionable they might be, and though firmly held and taught by all the clergy in accordance with the doctrine of Your Apostolic See; for we do not suffer that anything which is moored to Your Holiness, however clear and unquestionable, pertaining to the state of the churches, should fail to be known to Your Holiness, as being the head of all the churches. For as we have said before, we are zealous for the increase of the honor and authority of your See in all respects."2 Croly quotes a letter of March 25, 533 from Justinian to Epiphanius where Justinian repeats the parts of the statement above, which had been sent earlier in March, that the Bishop of Rome is: "head of all Bishops and the true and effective corrector of heretics [sic]."
Justinian's Code in the edicts of the "Novellae;" in the preamble of the ninth it states:
"that the elder Rome was the founder of the laws; so was it not to be questioned that in her was the supremacy of the pontificate." In the 131st; chap. II, on the ecclesiastical titles and privileges it states: "We therefore decree that the most holy Pope of the elder Rome is the first of all the priesthood, and that the most blessed Archbishop of Constantinople, the new Rome, shall hold the second rank after the holy Apostolic chair of the elder Rome."
Pagan Rome, not the Apostles nor Christ, laid the legal political and prophetic foundation for the establishment of the Papacy. 533ad was the date of the legal granting of civil and religious power to the bishop of Rome.
 

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Continued....
There is a twist to all this however, because Rome at that time was under an occupying power, and enemies to the Byzantine emperor, it was necessary that the city be liberated before the pontiff could exercise his new found authority. Legal authority is issues unless it could be put into effect right? This is where prophecy comes to the fore. This took place in 538ad when Bellisarius defeated the Goths and that Arian kingdom could no longer exercise power over the bishop, for until that time the Gothic king Theodosius had the final say on appointing bishops. So you can mark 538ad on your prophetic calendar.
Prophecy gives us however a clue that history attests to as a remarkable confirmation of the identity of the beast.
KJV Revelation 13:5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
The above time span is repeated 7 times in scripture in the form of 1260 days, times, time and half a time ( 3 and half years), and 42 months. (
Daniel 7:25; 12:7 Rev. 11:2,3; 12:6, 14; 13:5.
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Not only in reference to the life of the Antichrist, but also to the time when the church is persecuted by the Antichrist and is therefore in survival mode in the wilderness, Revelation 12:6.
So, the question, did anything happen to the Papacy 1260 days, 42 months, or times time and half a time later,? No. Not if you take those times as literal. But if you use scripture to interpret scripture, precedent reveals that one prophetic day equals one literal year. Then the question is, did anything take place 1260 years after 538ad? And the answer is an emphatic yes.
Continued....1798 was a year of dramatic change for the Papacy. This was for several reasons.
According to Daniel 7:25, the little horn was to have power over the saints (the church) for 1260 days, or in real time, 1260 years. The rule of the papacy, as I mentioned in a previous post, began in 538AD with the final expulsion of the Ostrogoths from Rome, the last of the 3 horns to be uprooted. It’s rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, entered Rome and took the pope captive. The college of cardinals was disbanded and Rome declared a republic. All papal states were confiscated. The pope died in exile 2 years later. To all intents and purposes, the Roman Catholic church as a church/state union was finished. No longer was there a pope holding civil authority in Rome, and thus the secular authority she used to try and execute who she branded as heretics was over. Exactly 1260 years after it began.
This represents another prophetic fulfillment.
KJV Revelation 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
When the Catholic Church lost its civil authority, all political Governments in Europe thought she was finished. Many celebrated that at long last the bondage they were held by papal authority was at an end. These prophecies, among several others, give powerful historic authenticity to the reformers testimony to the identity of Antichrist.
The claims that Gregory VII made in Dictatus Papae are radical and heretical. To cite only four: “all princes shall kiss the feet of the Pope alone”—angels refused human homage (Revelation 19:10). “His name alone [the pope] shall be spoken in the churches”—displaced Jesus. That he can “depose emperors”—only God can depose or set up kings (Daniel 2:21), and that “the Roman Church has never erred. Nor will it err, to all eternity”—Paul’s pastoral letters and the letters to the seven churches in the book of Revelation shows that the church errs. To say otherwise is to arrogate an attribute—infallibility—exclusive to God. Indeed, the universal supremacy in religion and in politics claimed by the Dictatus Papae, no king, priest, prophet, or apostle ever claimed them in the Bible. It belongs to God alone.
Jesus Himself drew a scarlet line “from the blood of [righteous] Abel to the blood of Zechariah” (Luke 11:51, NIV), and predicted in John 16:2 that a “time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God” (NIV), and warned, “They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:15, 16, NIV). And the fruit of the medieval popes—unbridled avarice, venality, power politics, immorality, burning heretics, antisemitism, the Crusades, the Inquisition, magical religion—fits the bill of the “ferocious wolves” predicted by Jesus.
To those Catholics who blindly and resolutely believe their church is the pillar and foundation of truth on the basis of Jesus' promise that the gates of hell would not prevail, forget the long line of so called heretics who were mutilated, obscenely abused, dispossessed of land, family, culture, and home, because in the spirit of Christ they dared to point out the excesses, the sins, the evils and profanities that marked the downward spiral of the Papacy. It was they to whom the promise was given. It was they with whom Christ abode through all the trials and abuses. It was they who were the true pillars and foundations of truth. And it remains so today.
The exercise of force is contrary to the principles of God’s government; He desires only the service of love; and love cannot be commanded; it cannot be won by force or authority. A ‘truth’ that must use violence to secure its existence cannot be truth. Rather the truth that moves the sun and the stars is that which is so sure of its power that it refuses to compel . . . by force. Rather it relies on the slow, hard, and seemingly unrewarding work of witness, a witness which it trusts to prevail even in a fragmented and violent world.
This witness, encapsulated in the “theology of the cross,” and expressed in the self-accusing confession “I am a sinner” and commitment to fight evil in one’s life, is the crux of the Christian moral revolution. Precisely by turning to self the accusing finger that had been pointed at another, confession engendered what the theologian Krister Stendahl called “the introspective conscience of the West,” and thus shattered the “scapegoat mechanism,” the primordial, universal human practice to make oneself appear good by falsely accusing others. It was a radical departure from “the old path that the wicked have trod” (Job 22:15, NIV)—so radical that Paul said it meant death and a new life. “For we know that our old self was crucified with [Christ] (Romans 6:6, NIV). “I no longer live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20, NIV).
People kill themselves in many ways, but never by crucifixion. That’s done by another. “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6, NIV). Spiritually, the impossibility of crucifying oneself and producing a new life; or, put differently, the ability of God alone to do it is what is expressed in the Protestant credo of sola gratia, by grace alone. It’s precisely the sola, the alone, that raised the ire of the medieval Papacy, because it excluded all the sacramental-liturgical and Platonic-Aristotelian additions to the gospel upon which its power and authority was based. In short, the ire was provoked by politics.
Indeed, politics is the clue to the Counter-Reformation and the modern Papacy. “Whatever the doctrinal differences the structural one remains the most intractable. As before Luther, Rome still plays politics and claims secular and spiritual dominance . . . a church that is a state and a state that is a church,” as this magazine’s editor has often noted. This unchristian amalgam, we must recall, was the specific target of Voltaire’s rallying cry Ecrasez l’infame (crush the infamy); and also of the anticlericalism, radical atheism, and dechristianization of the French Revolution, which set the modern world against Christianity, even as it is, in Holland’s words, “still utterly saturated by Christian concepts and assumptions.”
The order of authority derives from God, as the Apostle says [in Romans 13:1-7]. For this reason, the duty of obedience is, for the Christian, a consequence of this derivation of authority from God, and ceases when that ceases. But, as we have already said, authority may fail to derive from God for two reasons: either because of the way in which authority has been obtained, or in consequence of the use which is made of it.
 

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Continued....
There is a twist to all this however, because Rome at that time was under an occupying power, and enemies to the Byzantine emperor, it was necessary that the city be liberated before the pontiff could exercise his new found authority. Legal authority is issues unless it could be put into effect right? This is where prophecy comes to the fore. This took place in 538ad when Bellisarius defeated the Goths and that Arian kingdom could no longer exercise power over the bishop, for until that time the Gothic king Theodosius had the final say on appointing bishops. So you can mark 538ad on your prophetic calendar.
Prophecy gives us however a clue that history attests to as a remarkable confirmation of the identity of the beast.
KJV Revelation 13:5
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
The above time span is repeated 7 times in scripture in the form of 1260 days, times, time and half a time ( 3 and half years), and 42 months. (
Daniel 7:25; 12:7 Rev. 11:2,3; 12:6, 14; 13:5.
)
Not only in reference to the life of the Antichrist, but also to the time when the church is persecuted by the Antichrist and is therefore in survival mode in the wilderness, Revelation 12:6.
So, the question, did anything happen to the Papacy 1260 days, 42 months, or times time and half a time later,? No. Not if you take those times as literal. But if you use scripture to interpret scripture, precedent reveals that one prophetic day equals one literal year. Then the question is, did anything take place 1260 years after 538ad? And the answer is an emphatic yes.
Continued....1798 was a year of dramatic change for the Papacy. This was for several reasons.
According to Daniel 7:25, the little horn was to have power over the saints (the church) for 1260 days, or in real time, 1260 years. The rule of the papacy, as I mentioned in a previous post, began in 538AD with the final expulsion of the Ostrogoths from Rome, the last of the 3 horns to be uprooted. It’s rule continued until 1798 when Napoleon’s general, Berthier, entered Rome and took the pope captive. The college of cardinals was disbanded and Rome declared a republic. All papal states were confiscated. The pope died in exile 2 years later. To all intents and purposes, the Roman Catholic church as a church/state union was finished. No longer was there a pope holding civil authority in Rome, and thus the secular authority she used to try and execute who she branded as heretics was over. Exactly 1260 years after it began.
This represents another prophetic fulfillment.
KJV Revelation 13:3
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
When the Catholic Church lost its civil authority, all political Governments in Europe thought she was finished. Many celebrated that at long last the bondage they were held by papal authority was at an end. These prophecies, among several others, give powerful historic authenticity to the reformers testimony to the identity of Antichrist.
The claims that Gregory VII made in Dictatus Papae are radical and heretical. To cite only four: “all princes shall kiss the feet of the Pope alone”—angels refused human homage (Revelation 19:10). “His name alone [the pope] shall be spoken in the churches”—displaced Jesus. That he can “depose emperors”—only God can depose or set up kings (Daniel 2:21), and that “the Roman Church has never erred. Nor will it err, to all eternity”—Paul’s pastoral letters and the letters to the seven churches in the book of Revelation shows that the church errs. To say otherwise is to arrogate an attribute—infallibility—exclusive to God. Indeed, the universal supremacy in religion and in politics claimed by the Dictatus Papae, no king, priest, prophet, or apostle ever claimed them in the Bible. It belongs to God alone.
Jesus Himself drew a scarlet line “from the blood of [righteous] Abel to the blood of Zechariah” (Luke 11:51, NIV), and predicted in John 16:2 that a “time is coming when anyone who kills you will think they are offering a service to God” (NIV), and warned, “They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves. By their fruit you will recognize them” (Matthew 7:15, 16, NIV). And the fruit of the medieval popes—unbridled avarice, venality, power politics, immorality, burning heretics, antisemitism, the Crusades, the Inquisition, magical religion—fits the bill of the “ferocious wolves” predicted by Jesus.
To those Catholics who blindly and resolutely believe their church is the pillar and foundation of truth on the basis of Jesus' promise that the gates of hell would not prevail, forget the long line of so called heretics who were mutilated, obscenely abused, dispossessed of land, family, culture, and home, because in the spirit of Christ they dared to point out the excesses, the sins, the evils and profanities that marked the downward spiral of the Papacy. It was they to whom the promise was given. It was they with whom Christ abode through all the trials and abuses. It was they who were the true pillars and foundations of truth. And it remains so today.
The exercise of force is contrary to the principles of God’s government; He desires only the service of love; and love cannot be commanded; it cannot be won by force or authority. A ‘truth’ that must use violence to secure its existence cannot be truth. Rather the truth that moves the sun and the stars is that which is so sure of its power that it refuses to compel . . . by force. Rather it relies on the slow, hard, and seemingly unrewarding work of witness, a witness which it trusts to prevail even in a fragmented and violent world.
This witness, encapsulated in the “theology of the cross,” and expressed in the self-accusing confession “I am a sinner” and commitment to fight evil in one’s life, is the crux of the Christian moral revolution. Precisely by turning to self the accusing finger that had been pointed at another, confession engendered what the theologian Krister Stendahl called “the introspective conscience of the West,” and thus shattered the “scapegoat mechanism,” the primordial, universal human practice to make oneself appear good by falsely accusing others. It was a radical departure from “the old path that the wicked have trod” (Job 22:15, NIV)—so radical that Paul said it meant death and a new life. “For we know that our old self was crucified with [Christ] (Romans 6:6, NIV). “I no longer live, but Christ lives in me” (Galatians 2:20, NIV).
People kill themselves in many ways, but never by crucifixion. That’s done by another. “Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit” (John 3:6, NIV). Spiritually, the impossibility of crucifying oneself and producing a new life; or, put differently, the ability of God alone to do it is what is expressed in the Protestant credo of sola gratia, by grace alone. It’s precisely the sola, the alone, that raised the ire of the medieval Papacy, because it excluded all the sacramental-liturgical and Platonic-Aristotelian additions to the gospel upon which its power and authority was based. In short, the ire was provoked by politics.
Indeed, politics is the clue to the Counter-Reformation and the modern Papacy. “Whatever the doctrinal differences the structural one remains the most intractable. As before Luther, Rome still plays politics and claims secular and spiritual dominance . . . a church that is a state and a state that is a church,” as this magazine’s editor has often noted. This unchristian amalgam, we must recall, was the specific target of Voltaire’s rallying cry Ecrasez l’infame (crush the infamy); and also of the anticlericalism, radical atheism, and dechristianization of the French Revolution, which set the modern world against Christianity, even as it is, in Holland’s words, “still utterly saturated by Christian concepts and assumptions.”
The order of authority derives from God, as the Apostle says [in Romans 13:1-7]. For this reason, the duty of obedience is, for the Christian, a consequence of this derivation of authority from God, and ceases when that ceases. But, as we have already said, authority may fail to derive from God for two reasons: either because of the way in which authority has been obtained, or in consequence of the use which is made of it.
Soooooo, Justinian was recognizing and reiterating the Authority of the Papacy.
This DOESN'T mean that HE is the one who "created" that Authority.

Not ONLY do we see Pope Victor in the SECOND century giving a supreme ruling on the Quartodecimen controversy - we have the Pope (Callistus 1) already being called the "Pontifex Maximus" and "Bishop of Bishops" in Tertullian's letter, De Pudicitia in the early 3rd century. Justinian's reign took place in the SIXTH century.

You're going to HAVE to do better than that . . .
 

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FAQ: Seeing as how Joseph wasn't Jesus' biological father, then wouldn't any
Jewish man have served as well to be Mary's husband; why especially
Joseph?


A: This matter is of little importance to the average Gentile, but very
important to Jews.

God appointed Jesus to take David's throne (Luke 1:32). However:
successors have to meet two prerequisites. They have to be directly related
to David, and they have to be directly related to David's son Solomon. These
prerequisites are non negotiable. (1Kings 1:13, and 1Chron 22:9-10)

Jesus was directly related to David via his mother; but she wasn't directly
related to Solomon. However; Joseph was directly related to both David and
Solomon.

Now whereas successors to the throne have to be David's biological
posterity, they don't have to be Solomon's biological posterity; they only
have to be one of his direct descendants; which made it possible for Joseph
to pass the throne on to Jesus by means of adoption: a process that gives
children just as much standing in the home as biological children, including
the right to inherit, the right to their adoptive father's name, and the right to
a place in his genealogy.

This is very important in matters related to not only the man's estate, but
also his status. In other words: it's possible for a child to circumvent blood,
and go from pauper to prince by just the stroke of a pen.

Jacob set the precedent for this procedure when he adopted his two
grandsons Manasseh and Ephraim in the book of Genesis; effectively
endowing Joseph's two boys with the status of tribal heads equal in rank and
privilege to Jacob's original twelve sons. So then, what Joseph did with Jesus
was neither innovative nor unheard of.


FAQ: How do you know Joseph adopted Jesus?

A: Joseph was instructed to name Mary's baby. (Matt 1:21)

Joseph complied. (Matt 1:25)

Thus; Joseph became bound to Jesus as his genealogical father (Matt 1:1
thru Matt 1:16) because that's how it worked in those days when a man
stood with a woman to name her child-- effectively claiming the child as his
own. (cf. Luke 1:59 and Luke 2:21)
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I'm not running around for you.
FACT: You have made a lot of claims but not provided a shred of evidence to back them up.

If you provide evidence I will look at it. Until then you are just trolling.

I gqave you some and told you I would provide others, but you snobbily rejected it as improper without even looking. Why should I run around for you when you won't even acknowledge the evidence I did give, mock others, and refused to answer one question I posed to you? This is supposed to be a two way discussion- not an INquisition on your part. that means you are supposed to reply back when I do things.