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I just want to post an additional verse. I read it and have experienced it literally, I have not been rich like most would consider rich but the gathering / working / decision making process for accumulating money is distracting. I've been dirt poor on the street as well. I'll tell you, the Lord walks with those that walk alone in poverty, more so than with those that are driven to have more.
Pro 13:7 One pretends to be rich, yet has nothing; another pretends to be poor, yet has great wealth.
Pro 13:8 The ransom of a man’s life is his wealth, but a poor man hears no threat.
Ecclesiastes 7:12
Wisdom is a shelter
as money is a shelter,
but the advantage of knowledge is this:
Wisdom preserves those who have it.
Ecc 7:12
[sup]12[/sup]For the protection of wisdom is like[sup](N)[/sup] the protection of money,
and the advantage of knowledge is that[sup](O)[/sup] wisdom preserves the life of him who has it.
So Jacob - now that I know you do not allow yourself to think about Bible verses - just memorize them and take them literally; what do you think about australia's commentary on the camel/needle analogy? Seems to mean that it took some thought - in fact, to take the verse literally provides a completely different understanding - what seems impossible is actually possible, but more difficult. Perhaps just opening the Bible and memorizing the verse might not be the best option?
Mammon is a term, derived from the Christian Bible, used to describe material wealth or greed, most often personified as a deity.
Webster's dictionary defines "Mammon" or "Mann" as: 1) the false god of riches and avarice. 2) riches regarded as an object of worship and greedy pursuit; wealth as an evil, more or less personified.[sup][1][/sup] Winston defines it to mean: 1) wealth, worldly gain; 2) greed for riches; cupidity.[sup][2][/sup] Oxford defines: god of wealth, regarded as evil or immoral; 'those who worship mammon' are equivalent to greedy people who value money too highly.[sup][3][/sup]
So Jacob - now that I know you do not allow yourself to think about Bible verses
I've heard and read that same sermon from different teachers probably no less than 50 times in 33 years.
I dont memorize scripture the Lord brings it to remembrance.
I commented on the verse, from my personal experience being a christian in both plenty and wanting. In other words I've walked the walk.
I don't disagree with it but like I said its hardly his, hes simply parroting.
Matthew 6:24
[sup]24[/sup] “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or else he will be loyal to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.
No I think your comment to me is all about the bad taste I left in your mouth in your devil thread a few minuets ago.So you think my comment to you was regarding whether or not Australia's commentary was original or not? That was not my point. Instead, I was pointing out the fact that his commentary went beyond the obvious, first glance reading of the scripture. Someone had to research and think about the culture, architecture and time period or the verse would not be interpreted correctly. Also, the verse is not about camels or needles - it is about the dangers of ownership. The Bible is not always easy to understand or obvious or clearly stated.
No I think your comment to me is all about the bad taste I left in your mouth in your devil thread a few minuets ago.
Do you have something to add to these peoples thread or are you going to insite another argument with me? Take your fighting spirit back to your "the devils work thread "
I'll be happy to continue there. You don't have to drag your bad attitude into this thread as well <_< good night.
Any one else think Jesus was really talking about the eye of a needle and a real camel? I do!!! always have thought that too..
I think the most important principle is "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
I've also heard the gate theory but it doesn't jive with me on that principle... because if just removing some luggage is what it took, it would be possible with man... but the main point was that what isn't possible with man is possible with God... so in other words Salavation with God is possible and not without...
Thanks to God for making the way and Jesus being the way... all worship to Them!!!
John Gill on Matthew 19:24
it is easier for a camel to go through the eye of a needle, than for a rich man to enter into the kingdom of God: thus, when the Jews would express anything that was rare and unusual, difficult and impossible, they used a like saying with this. So speaking of showing persons the interpretation of their dreams;
"Says Rabba, you know they do not show to a man a golden palm tree i.e. the interpretation of a dream about one, which, as the gloss says, is a thing he is not used to see, and of which he never thought, דעייל בקופא דמחטא ולא פילא, "nor an elephant going through the eye of a needle".'' T. Bab. Beracot fol. 55. 2
Again, to one that had delivered something as was thought very absurd, it is said ;
"perhaps thou art one of Pombeditha (a school of the Jews in Babylon) דמעיילין פילא בקופא דמחטא, "who make an elephant pass through the eye of a needle".'' T. Bab Bava Metzia, fol. 38. 2
That is, who teach such things as are equally as monstrous and absurd, and difficult of belief. So the authors of an edition of the book of Zohar, to set forth the difficulty of the work they engaged in, express themselves in this manner:
"In the name of our God, we have seen fit, בקופא דמחטא להכניס פילא, "to bring an elephant through the eye of a needle".'' Prefat. ad Zohar, Ed. Sultzbach.
And not only among the Jews, but in other eastern nations, this proverbial way of speaking was used, to signify difficulties or impossibilities. Mahomet has it in his Alcoran (k);
"Verily, says he, they who shall charge our signs with falsehood, and shall proudly reject them, the gates of heaven shall not be opened to them, neither shall they enter into paradise, "until a camel pass through the eye of a needle".'' Chap. 7. p. 120. Ed. Sale.
All which show, that there is no need to suppose, that by a camel is meant, not the creature so called, but a cable rope, as some have thought; since these common proverbs manifestly make it appear, that a creature is intended, and which aggravates the difficulty: the reason why instead of an elephant, as used in most of the above sayings, Christ makes mention of a camel, may be, because that might be more known in Judea, than the other; and because the hump on its back would serve to make the thing still more impracticable.
I think the most important principle is "With men this is impossible, but with God all things are possible.”
I've also heard the gate theory but it doesn't jive with me on that principle... because if just removing some luggage is what it took, it would be possible with man... but the main point was that what isn't possible with man is possible with God... so in other words Salavation with God is possible and not without...
Thanks to God for making the way and Jesus being the way... all worship to Them!!!
There's no way to the Father except by Jesus... without God it is impossible... with God it is... simple...
Yes disciple... me also...
If you compare that account with the tax collector that climbed a tree Zacchaeus had a desire to see Jesus. Zacchaeus actions followed his desire. As soon as Zacchaeus came before the Lord he said below, his actions reflected his desire. Two rich men two different results. One with a heart for God and one without.
Luke 19:8-9
[sup]8[/sup]And Zacchaeus stood and said to the Lord, "Behold, Lord, the half of my goods I give to the poor. And if I have defrauded anyone of anything, I restore it fourfold." [sup]9[/sup]And Jesus said to him, "Today salvation has come to this house, since he also is a son of Abraham. [sup]10[/sup]For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost."