Biblical Mary

[Taken]

I see you have run out of argument.

When you have no merits to stand on...
Resort to ... Calling names....LOL

 

[BreadOfLife]

An honest question ofr you. As you excoriate all the references I gave you as being biased because they spoke ill or Romanism, does that mean you reject also the Catholic scholars who spoke ill of sects like, the Montanists, Donatists, Lollards, Albegensians, the protestants et. al and we should reject everything they say because they too were biased?

Nice TRY - but that's a ridiculous comparison.

The Church councils weren't inventing idiotic fairy tales like YOU and Alexander Hislop regarding Nimrod and Semiramis or Fish gods and Bishops hats.
They were investigating HERESY. - and they had a God-given mandate to do so (Mat. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Neither YOU nor Hislop had ANY such mandate from God to invent and proliferate the nonsense you have.

 

[Taken]

I NEVER use Catholic Bibles in my debates here.
I use the KJV, ESV or NIV so that we're on an even playing field - because I can debunk all of your man-made doctrines using your OWN Bible translations.

ALL of the verse I gave you use the Greek word "Anthropos" to describe Jesus - which means a MALE HUMAN.

Saying you debunk is one thing...doing it quite another thing.

You should have learned calling Jesus a man is one thing, Pretending and preaching Jesus was a HUMAN, is on it's face ridiculous.
Jesus was not created, especially from the dust of the Earth!

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you are unable to verify a source for what you say,
That's on you. Nothing in Scripture says Mary remaiined a virgin.

Scripture does say:
Gen 1:
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The man was clearly the womans husband.
Gen:3:6

The woman was clearly the mans wife.
Gen 3:8

If you have some Scripture that says, God changed HIS plan, and husbands and wives were to no longer, be fruitful, and multiply...
Spit it out.

Now there is a time when ....Jesus IS speaking to a crowd .... and
Matt 12:
[46] While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
[47] Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
[48] But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
[49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Now, Mary and Whoever was "outside" with Mary, were Ignored... and Jesus EXPRESSLY stretched forth his had toward "His crowd of Disciples" on the "inside", and said Behold...
LOOK, those sitting with Him on the "inside" were they Jesus called "His mother and His brethren".
Where is Mary ever depicted in Scirpture as a disciple following Jesus around listening to Him?
Maybe she was too busy tending house and taking care of her children....her being a faithful believing in God....who said for husbands and wives to multiply.

By the SAME token - NOTHING in Scripture states that MARY had other children.
Not a single verse. the fact is that it ALL points to Jesus being her only child.

And you STILL haven't explained why these "other" children of hers couldn't take care of her after His death.
What was John needed for this task??

 

[BreadOfLife]

Saying you debunk is one thing...doing it quite another thing.

You should have learned calling Jesus a man is one thing, Pretending and preaching Jesus was a HUMAN, is on it's face ridiculous.
Jesus was not created, especially from the dust of the Earth!

And NOBODY said he was created from the dust of the earth - NEITHER were YOU.
Only Adam was created from dust/clay. The rest of us, being his descendants are FIGURATIVEY created from dust.

Last time I checked BOTH you and I was create from a sperm and an egg.
You REALLY need to take a biology course . . .

 

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You CAN'T be this stupid.
Jesus was NOT the see of Eve. He was NOT her offspring - any more that YOU are her offspring.

Jesus was the offspring of His mother who conceived Him in HER womb and carried Him for 9 months and gave birth to Him.
UNBELIEVABLE ignorance . . .

LOL...What a comic. Eves SEED is what Began Populating the Earth with Humans.

Jesus was not a Human,
Jesus came forth out from God in Heaven and was SENT to Earth, to Mary's WOMB, in the "LIKENESS" AS A MAN, as Scripture clearly teaches.

 

[Taken]

Virtually EVERY exchange you and I have is because of one of your perverted man-made doctrines.

Yet it is YOU, desperately preaching Catholic understanding of your Catholic man-made doctrine.

I have clearly said, Mary herself, and whether or not she and Joseph has sex, or she had children is irrelevant....the Highlight is Jesus, not Mary.

 

[TheslightestID]

When you have no merits to stand on...
Resort to ... Calling names....LOL

My favorite is when they resort to spell checking the opponent.

 

[Taken]

And NOBODY said he was created from the dust of the earth - NEITHER were YOU.
Only Adam was created from dust/clay. The rest of us, being his descendants are FIGURATIVEY created from dust.

Last time I checked BOTH you and I was create from a sperm and an egg.
You REALLY need to take a biology course . . .

LOL...Human men are of dust and return to dust of the earth.
Obviously you are unaware, from Adam forward...every human has the same Elements that are IN the Earth...and when a human man eats a diet of junk, and does not replenish his body with a balance of Elements out of the earth, that human's health will fail, and often dies an early death,,,,and then they buried that body in the ground to return to dust of the Earth, from whence it came.

Perhaps you miss the lesson in Scirpture...
Jesus did not become dust of the Earth.
Jesus returned to God in Heaven from whence He came.

 

[Taken]

My favorite is when they resort to spell checking the opponent.

I amit i a gudist speler lol

 

[Wrangler]

Jesus was not a Human

I know man-hating is all the rave today but a man is a human. Do you deny Scripture calls Jesus a man repeatedly? Do you deny Jesus called himself a man, a prophet, the son of man?

 

[Mungo]

No I am not going to back track your posts.
Your post here is sufficient.



No, there are THREE Women references. in Revelations 12;
EVE, first woman tricked by Satan.
ISRAEL, mother land of the Tribes of Israel.
Mary, who delivered forth A man child, that God had sent to her womb.

Rev.12
[1] And there appeared a great wonder in heaven; a woman clothed with the sun, and the moon under her feet, and upon her head a crown of twelve stars:
^ that woman IS ISRAEL...and the crown of twelve stars represents the twelve Tribes.

[2] And she being with child cried, travailing in birth, and pained to be delivered.
^ that SHE IS ISRAEL...crying, in Pain to be Delivered.

[3] And there appeared another wonder in heaven; and behold a great red dragon, having seven heads and ten horns, and seven crowns upon his heads.
She, (ISRAEL) can not be delivered, UNTIL the red dragon with world power is revealed.

[4] And his tail drew the third part of the stars of heaven, and did cast them to the earth: and the dragon stood before the woman which was ready to be delivered, for to devour her child as soon as it was born.
This WOMAN IS EVE. Backtracking in history, the dragon, who WAS Lucifer, convinced one third of Gods holy angels to deflect from their heavenly estate and go with Lucifer TO THE EARTH....Because God was creating man and woman....and Lucifer now revealed is the Dragon and also called the Serpent and called the Devil; ...hisself went into Gods Garden to TRICK the Woman, called EVE, which the Serpent did....and Thus God said, there would be enmity between that WOMAN, EVE and the Serpent and the Serpents seed and that WOMANS seed...ISRAEL.
THAT WOMAN IS EVE.
Like you, Satan can read Scripture but can not understand it.... Satan went after Eve to deceive her.
EVE, expressly called the mother of all living things....
Ya think Satan's ears didn't tune in .... If Satan's cold kill Eve, she would have NO offspring!


[5] And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

This She is Mary.
She who brought forth out of her womb, A child, called the Son of man....was an event 4,000 years after EVE.
By following the Genealogy, and Gods Word....Mary married to Joseph means they WERE ONE...
Joseph was of the House of David, And thus Any offspring that came forth out of Mary's womb, WHILE she was married to Joseph, would LEGALLY, be of the House of David....And precisely one of (several) of the reasons WHY, the man child, Sent forth out from God, TO EARTH, WAS SENT to Mary's virgin womb.
* THIS SHE...IS Mary wife of Joseph of the House of David.

[6] And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.
THIS WOMAN, IS ISRAEL, and IS a "foretelling" of a vision that has NOT YET occured. Tribesmen from ALL over the wiorld, WHO ARE OF THE TWELVE TRIBES, called ISRAEL will flee their nations, and WILL GO to the wilderness...
And there for 42 months, or 3.5 years "THEY" should feed her....
Any clue WHO shall FEED the tribes of Israel for 3.5 years in the wilderness?
Scripture tells us, 12,000 each from each of the twelve tribes, total 144,000.
And what shall they feed the Tribes of Israel?
A birthday cake? No, They shall feed the 12 Tribes the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
WHEN? During the Tribulation.


[7] And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
[8] And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
[9] And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
[10] And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
[11] And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
[12] Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.
[13] And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.
This WOMAN is Mary who, from her womb, a man child was revealed.

[14] And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.
This WOMAN is ISRAEL. Where ISRAEL is in the wilderness Hearing the Gospel of Jesus Christ, for 3.5 years

[15] And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.
THIS WOMAN IS ISRAEL, in the wilderness, during the ATribulation, whereby we are told the Serpent will cause a flood in an attempt to sweep away Israel with a flood...FUture, and will fail.


[16] And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.
This WOMAN is ISRAEL, in the wilderness, unscathed by the Serpents attempt to cause a flood...(pretty insignificant)....the wilderness they GO to is on a mountain top! (Flooding on a mountain top? Satan is desperate!)


[17] And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
This WOMAN is ISRAEL. And the Remnant of Her (tribes of Israel, not yet having been Killed by Satan)....who heard the Gospel of Jesus Christ, and become Saved.

If you had looked at the post#541 you would see why I disagree with your analysis. But since you can't be bothered to do that then I can't be bothered to repost it here for you.

 

[Mungo]

Still just people in a church.

The apostles were 'just people in a Church'.
The people who discerned and agreed which books to canonise were 'just people in a Church'.
How do you know these 'people in a church' picked the right books?

Lets be honest here, thr Catholic chirch is far from good, you know their reputation for doing some of the most hortible things, and you actually have the nerve to sit there and tell me how reputable these people are?

Yes the Catholic Church, as other churches, is full of sinners. Jesus didn't promise His Church would be impeccable but he did promise the lead it into all truth (John 16:16).

 

[Mungo]

The Title Queen of Heaven is an abomination and people are forbidden to do obescience to the queen of Heaven.

I presume you are referring to Jeremiah 44
But giving honour to the true Queen of Heaven is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago gave honour to a false queen of heaven; just as worshipping the true God is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago worshipped false gods.

 

[Taken]

I know man-hating is all the rave today but a man is a human.

God created a "terrestrial" KIND of BODY, BY forming "that" KIND of BODILY FORM "out of the Earth", and called "IT" MAN.

Human, IS specifically, A MAN, formed "out of the Earth".
Humus - Latin meaning Earth, Ground.

Human men CALL THINGS, by descriptions;
By what they SEE.
If you SEE a light twinkling in the SKY, men may call it a star.
For Example: If you have LEARNED by HEARING and NOT SEEING, you may Understand, (stars, planets, cell towers, satellites, drones, jets, fireworks, spotlights,) may also twinkle in the sky, and Understand the difference).

God impresses - He IS invisible to a Human mans SEEING EYES.
God impresses - LEARNING, BY HEARING.

When I HEAR a man, call Jesus a MAN...
I am not disturbed, nor have I ever Denied, Calling Jesus "A MAN", is NOT correct.
* God expressly sent "HIS" Word out of "HIS" mouth, to Earth, from Heaven, IN a BODILY FORM, that God PREPARED, IN THE "LIKENESS AS A MAN".
* Certainly, it was expressly intended for HUMAN men on Earth TO SEE "JESUS'" Form, as a man, and call Jesus a MAN.

* I am fully aware, for example, that a PIG is an animal KIND of thing, and NOT a man KIND of thing. And that a man kind of thing, whose profession is a Police Officer, is still a man KIND of thing, even though men may call a Police Officer A PIG.
* Men certainly COULD, attempt to REWRITE a Police Officers manual, and replace the word, Police Officer, with PIG...and generation after generation...WHO are ignorant of History and Truth...would argue with to their dying breath, a PIG is a Police Officer.

* Bibles (spiritual manuals of sorts) have been "REWRITTEN", expressly changing Jesus' true description from "man", to "human". And generations of men, Ignorant of History and Truth, do Argue, that Jesus IS a "human".

* When a "handful" of men, sit in seats of "power", to Speak Gods History and TRUTH,
And these same men, gather behind closed and guarded doors, REWRITING the "manual", and then READ to the ones HEARING, and distributing to the ones HEARING, "their rewritten manual"...
Should one EXPECT anything LESS, then for some men to Argue...Jesus IS a "HUMAN" ?

A LIE, is a lie, is a lie.
When is a lie NOT a lie?
If you tell your child; Halloween will be soon.
I've made you a costume. You will look like a Lion. The child puts on the costume. The Child says I do look like a Lion. You call the child "a lion". Is the child no longer a "human", because you called him a "lion".
Are you lying? Do you believe the child IS a Lion?
No you are not lying.
Why not? Because you already established, and the child understood...he is only ... appearing...looking "LIKE", a lion.

God sent His Word out of His mouth to Earth, AS A man, in the "LIKENESS" as a man. For Men of the EARTH, to SEE HIM. Men OF the Earth SAW Him, as a man, called Him a man.
* That was not a Lie.
* The LIE is men, rewriting Scripture, "changing Jesus' from a man"...to a "HUMAN", which is EXPRESSLY a KIND of man, created out of the dust of the EARTH.

* No WHERE In Gods Historical Truth, does God Himself declare, His Word came forth out of the Dust of the Earth.
* No WHERE does Gods OWN Word, declare
He, Jesus, came forth out of the Dust of the Earth.

Do you deny Scripture calls Jesus a man repeatedly? Do you deny Jesus called himself a man, a prophet, the son of man?

No. Nor have you seen me say such a thing.
And repeatedly I have called Jesus, a man, and Son of man.
Never have I called Jesus, "a human"....
Because the Truth IS;

Phil 2:
[7] But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
[8] And being found (seen) in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.

John 16:
[27] For the Father himself loveth you, because ye have loved me, and have believed that I came out from God.
[28] I came forth from the Father, and am come into the world: again, I leave the world, and go to the Father.

Isa 55:
[11] So shall my word be that goeth forth out of my mouth: it shall not return unto me void, but it shall accomplish that which I please, and it shall prosper in the thing whereto I sent it.

* WHERE TO God SENT HIS WORD...?
To a VIRGIN womb.
(Lawful wife of a man of the House of David.)
To the WORLD.
WHEN all was Accomplished that Pleased God....
Gods Word returned to God in Heaven, from whence He (it) came.

John 1
[1] In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Luke 1
[27] To a virgin espoused to a man whose name was Joseph, of the house of David; and the virgin's name was Mary.

Luke 1
[35] And the angel answered and said unto her, The Holy Ghost shall come upon thee, and the power of the Highest shall overshadow thee: therefore also that holy thing which shall be born of thee shall be called the Son of God.

Heb 10
[5] Wherefore when he cometh into the world, he saith, Sacrifice and offering thou wouldest not, but a body hast thou hast prepared me...

John 19
[28] After this, Jesus knowing that all things were now accomplished , that the scripture might be fulfilled, saith, I thirst.
[29] Now there was set a vessel full of vinegar: and they filled a spunge with vinegar, and put it upon hyssop, and put it to his mouth.
[30] When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

(In brief...as Scripture is full of facts and truths according to God)

 

[Taken]

If you had looked at the post#541 you would see why I disagree with your analysis. But since you can't be bothered to do that then I can't be bothered to repost it here for you.

I looked at your post 541...your references to other verses, your references to others opinions and your opinion the reference in Rev to Woman could be Israel and Mary and your conclusion the reference to Woman in Rev. must primarily be Mary.

My conclusion is based on the study, with the Lords presence, of the whole of Historical Scripture, and Revelations an in depth Book of history recapped, present, future, whereby, ALL of Creation is included and ALL of Creation that was MADE Living by the Breath of Gods LIFE, a living soul, who by their own Freewill made their choices of Standing...
WITH or WITHOUT the Lord God Almighty.

It is not a mystery...Eve was the first WOMAN, and the First to be tricked by Satan.
It is not a mystery...God put enmity between Satan and Eve, and between Satan and Eve's offspring.

It is not a mystery...God Sent His Word, forth out from God in Heaven, in a Body God prepared, to Earth, to a VIRGIN Woman's WOMB, (whom such Woman would marry a man of the House of David), MAKING any LAWFUL offspring, Entitled BY Jewish Law, to SIT on King David's Everlasting Throne...
As WELL, making such offspring, ENTITLED to Abraham's LAND, via promised inheritance.)
Expressly making Mary... a highly favored candidate to Serve God...to accomplish Gods WILL.
* She being a virgin, a faithful Jew, born in Judah, to become ONE with a man of the House of David, a direct ancestor of Abraham, and his promised Land, and to his descendants... a very highly favored candidate to Serve Gods WILL....and once she was told of Gods intent....SHE Agreed.
Luke 1:
[38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

It is not a mystery LAND established as a Nation, Country, IS called in femine terms;
She, her, mother.....I doubt you know WHY, but regardless the fact remains.

It is not a mystery the Lord SHALL manifest His Kingdom ON Earth, as He has already accomplished His Lawful entitlement TO king Davids everlasting throne and ALL of Abraham's LAND....established FOR the Lords People out of the Earth, who have and will be MADE IN Christ.

It matters none to me, WHO you conclude IS the WOMAN in Revelations. I already know, by your own word, you are steeped in a mans doctrine of Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary this, Mary that, Mary, Mary, Mary...

And I already know, the signifiantce of the role, of LAND, EVE, MARY...A humans Estate, a human and a human offspring.. are but bits and pieces of the BIG PICTURE for humans to become "MADE" (once again, according to God)...
IN Gods "LIKENESS" and inhabit the "mother" Earth, (a humans estate)....WITH God, and VOID of Evil, Deceiving Wickedness.

 

[Taken]

I presume you are referring to Jeremiah 44
But " giving honour to the true Queen of Heaven" ...is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago gave honour to a false queen of heaven; just as worshipping the true God is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago worshipped false gods.

What ... "TRUE QUEEN of Heaven"?
WHO ... "ESTABLISHED" Heaven?
WHO ... "SITS on the THRONE" of Heaven?
WHO ... "RULES the Kingdom of Heaven"?
WHO ... "SAT a WIFE, a QUEEN" next to Him, giving "A" presence, "A" title", Authority for this "so called QUEEN" ?
WHAT is her name?
WHAT "authority" DOES this so called "TRUE QUEEN OF HEAVEN" have?

 

[Mungo]

I looked at your post 541...your references to other verses, your references to others opinions and your opinion the reference in Rev to Woman could be Israel and Mary and your conclusion the reference to Woman in Rev. must primarily be Mary.

My conclusion is based on the study, with the Lords presence, of the whole of Historical Scripture, and Revelations an in depth Book of history recapped, present, future, whereby, ALL of Creation is included and ALL of Creation that was MADE Living by the Breath of Gods LIFE, a living soul, who by their own Freewill made their choices of Standing...
WITH or WITHOUT the Lord God Almighty.

It is not a mystery...Eve was the first WOMAN, and the First to be tricked by Satan.
It is not a mystery...God put enmity between Satan and Eve, and between Satan and Eve's offspring.

It is not a mystery...God Sent His Word, forth out from God in Heaven, in a Body God prepared, to Earth, to a VIRGIN Woman's WOMB, (whom such Woman would marry a man of the House of David), MAKING any LAWFUL offspring, Entitled BY Jewish Law, to SIT on King David's Everlasting Throne...
As WELL, making such offspring, ENTITLED to Abraham's LAND, via promised inheritance.)
Expressly making Mary... a highly favored candidate to Serve God...to accomplish Gods WILL.
* She being a virgin, a faithful Jew, born in Judah, to become ONE with a man of the House of David, a direct ancestor of Abraham, and his promised Land, and to his descendants... a very highly favored candidate to Serve Gods WILL....and once she was told of Gods intent....SHE Agreed.
Luke 1:
[38] And Mary said, Behold the handmaid of the Lord; be it unto me according to thy word. And the angel departed from her.

It is not a mystery LAND established as a Nation, Country, IS called in femine terms;
She, her, mother.....I doubt you know WHY, but regardless the fact remains.

It is not a mystery the Lord SHALL manifest His Kingdom ON Earth, as He has already accomplished His Lawful entitlement TO king Davids everlasting throne and ALL of Abraham's LAND....established FOR the Lords People out of the Earth, who have and will be MADE IN Christ.

It matters none to me, WHO you conclude IS the WOMAN in Revelations. I already know, by your own word, you are steeped in a mans doctrine of Mary, Mary, Mary, Mary this, Mary that, Mary, Mary, Mary...

And I already know, the signifiantce of the role, of LAND, EVE, MARY...A humans Estate, a human and a human offspring.. are but bits and pieces of the BIG PICTURE for humans to become "MADE" (once again, according to God)...
IN Gods "LIKENESS" and inhabit the "mother" Earth, (a humans estate)....WITH God, and VOID of Evil, Deceiving Wickedness.

You never actually answer a post, just prevaricate and divert.
I'm finished with you.

 

[Taken]

You never actually answer a post, just prevaricate and divert.
I'm finished with you.

Awe...
I state expressly what I believe.
I gave espressly my understanding of my belief.
I gave expressly Scripture for the basis of my belief.

And you make false accusations, because you think and speak with your Carnal Mind and can not comprehend a discussion of Spiritual Things.

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

I say not to convince you of anything. I already know your standing, IN your holy father pope and IN Mary.
I say that others might hear and themselves seek the truth in Scirptures.

John 11:
[42] And I knew that thou (hearest your holy father) hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou (God) hast sent me. (Jesus)

Nothing to be troubled over...
You are a mouthpiece for your 'holy father your pope"
I am a mouthpiece for my Holy Father, my God.

I'm finished with you.

Amen. Division is good, Established by God Himself.
But do not be too anxious.
God will do the Separating.

 

[Mungo]

Awe...
I state expressly what I believe.
I gave espressly my understanding of my belief.
I gave expressly Scripture for the basis of my belief.

And you make false accusations, because you think and speak with your Carnal Mind and can not comprehend a discussion of Spiritual Things.

John 3:
[12] If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?

I say not to convince you of anything. I already know your standing, IN your holy father pope and IN Mary.
I say that others might hear and themselves seek the truth in Scirptures.

John 11:
[42] And I knew that thou (hearest your holy father) hearest me always: but because of the people which stand by I said it, that they may believe that thou (God) hast sent me. (Jesus)

Nothing to be troubled over...
You are a mouthpiece for your 'holy father your pope"
I am a mouthpiece for my Holy Father, my God.



Amen. Division is good, Established by God Himself.
But do not be too anxious.
God will do the Separating.

Now you are reduced to insults.