Biblical Mary

[Ronald Nolette]

Nice TRY - but that's a ridiculous comparison.

The Church councils weren't inventing idiotic fairy tales like YOU and Alexander Hislop regarding Nimrod and Semiramis or Fish gods and Bishops hats.
They were investigating HERESY. - and they had a God-given mandate to do so (Mat. 16:18-19, Matt. 18:15-18, Luke 10:16, John 16:12-15, John 20:21-23).

Neither YOU nor Hislop had ANY such mandate from God to invent and proliferate the nonsense you have.

Well they were biased so based on y0ou rrantings to me, that skews how "unbiased" htey could be in writing abou those terrible errors, just like the biased writers I cited according to you . were biased against teh errors of Romanism. Every sect of Christinaity has errors in it. Some sects arrors are more glaring than others.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

I presume you are referring to Jeremiah 44
But giving honour to the true Queen of Heaven is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago gave honour to a false queen of heaven; just as worshipping the true God is not wrong because some pagans 3,000 years ago worshipped false gods.

God has no Queen! That is a gross reinterpretation of SCripture. If it was important as Romanism makes it, It wouldn't be left to one passage of Scripture allegorically reinterpreted by some and not known until the late fourth century based on reinterpreting Scripture! Especially when Christianity was the unofficial "favoured religion of the empire, and the church was gorwing with enormous amounts of nominal people.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Certainly, I can.

Just to name a FEW of those Liturgical Rites you have slandered by using the idiotic term "Romanism" are the Melkite, Maronite, Byzantine, Coptic, Alexandran, Ruthenian and many more.

We are the Catholic Church - not "Romanism", Einstein.

Well as I am pointing at teh Roman Catholic church eeyore, and not other non -Roman Catholic rites, yours is a fasle accusation.

romanism is a derogatory term for Roman Catholicism. If you want to know the differences between teh other catholic sects and Romanism, I will tell you the biggest one.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Sooooo, so you believe He was being dismissive of her by calling her "Woman"?

Nope.

 

[Enoch111]

So, no matter HOW you try to perversely slice it - Jesus was Mary's ONLY child . . .

Not according to Scripture. Only according to Catholic dogma. Paul even speaks about James "THE LORD'S BROTHER". There is no doubt as to what he means. He could have said cousin, or half-brother, or something else. But he said "the Lord's brother" and he knew this first-hand.

On a side note it is interesting to see that Communist Pope Francis wants to shut down the Latin Mass. He hates conservative Catholics as much as he hates conservative non-Catholic Christians. But Muslims are his spiritual "brothers". What a farce!

 

[Taken]

And again - your entire "Mary had other kids" myth is obliterated in John 18:26-27, when Jesus hand's his mother over to the care of one of His Apostles. This NEVER would have had to happen - IF she had other children to take care of her.

Your opinion doesn't obliterate anything.

This ALSO proves that the his "brethren" in Matt. 12 weren't uterine siblings - but some other relation.
In fact - that question is answered in the comparative accounts of the women standing near the cross at the crucifixion (Matt. 27:56, Mark 15:40, John 19:25) - which show them to be the children of Marys' kinswoman (adelphe).

Your opinion and posting (references...to Scriture /Not Quotes of Scripture)...proves nothing.

So, no matter HOW you try to perversely slice it - Jesus was Mary's ONLY child . . .

Your usual MO...
* Catholic taught and rant opinion.
* Scriptural references that do not buttress your Catholic opinion.
* Catholic conclusion;
Opiniated man devised Catholic Church doctrine supersedes all other Beliefs, Including Jesus'.

I believe Mary was a "godly woman".
You teach Catholic opinion;
that Mary was defiant and should be exalted.

* God to man and wife -
Gen 1
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it:

* Jesus to mankind -
Matt 12;
[49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

 

[TheslightestID]

then what basis do you have for your beliefs?

That they were just people in a church, not Jesus, not God, not THE Apostles. And read on for that "basis".

I haven't made excuses for anyone

Seemed to me you were minimizing the terrible thing they did by saying we all sin, when the fact is, we are not all pedophiles, or, we don't all do that. So now you should see, and you'll have to forgive me for how I feel about some "People in a Church".

 

[Taken]

And until YOU can disprove the fact hat He was His mother's SEED (Gen. 3:15) and that SHE conceived Him in HER womb (Luke 1:31) - you don't have a Biblical leg to stand on.

* I don't have to prove anything.
* Scripture itself reveals the truth.
* The Truth itself dispels your corrupt interjection teaching and lack of understanding.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

The elevation that Mary gets from the Catholic religion is weird.

I know the scriptures say this of her:

"…Hail, thou that art highly favoured, the Lord is with thee: blessed art thou among women." (Luke 1:28)

But to go ahead with images of her and the Hail Mary prayers… none of this is scriptural.

 

[Taken]

Tou are absolutely correct - for ONCE.

The highlight is ALWAYS Jesus.

Mary being the FULFILLMENT of the Ark of the Covenant is ALL about Jesus - not Mary - and THAT'S why her having no other children is relevant.

You can hardly finish saying "all about Jesus",
Before...turn to accrediting;
Mary, Mary, Mary..
"The FUFFILLMENT"...

You don't even know what you are saying...

 

[Illuminator]

Not according to Scripture. Only according to Catholic dogma. Paul even speaks about James "THE LORD'S BROTHER". There is no doubt as to what he means. He could have said cousin, or half-brother, or something else. But he said "the Lord's brother" and he knew this first-hand.

The perpetual virginity of Mary was dogma for all the reformers, and every Protestant church until the mid 18th century. Until you can find a Protestant church that taught otherwise before that time, you are just pontificating a 200 year old man made tradition, and blowing forum flatulence.
Paul refers to "brothers" in far off Corinth (1 Corinthians 2:2) to a community that understood what he meant, you obviously do not.

On a side note it is interesting to see that Communist Pope Francis wants to shut down the Latin Mass. He hates conservative Catholics as much as he hates conservative non-Catholic Christians. But Muslims are his spiritual "brothers". What a farce!

As a side note, calling Pope Francis a communist reveals your redneck theology and profound ignorance. The Pope doesn't hate anybody, and he is not shutting down the Latin Mass.
The Catechism on Islam by James Akin (catholicfidelity.com)

Francis reimposed restrictions on celebrating the Latin Mass that Benedict relaxed in 2007, that is not "shutting it down". Why? Because the Francis and Benedict has the authority to do that, they do not have the authority to change revealed truths.

Whether in theory or in practice, the Church utterly rejects Communism on account of its errors, notably: its atheistic materialism, its doctrine and practice of class-war, its denial of the rights and liberties of the human person, including the natural right to possess some measure of private property, and its contempt for good morals under several heads.
Communism has been repeatedly condemned by the Holy See, notably by Pope Pius XI in the encyclical letter, Divini Redemptoris.

 

[Taken]

No - we're NOT made of dust. Only Adam was.
We're made from a sperm and an egg.

We are only FIGURATIVELY made from dust because we are his descendants.
Try to grasp the meaning of Scripture - IF you can . . .

Figuratively:
is: Carnal Understanding
is: not unique to all of mankind.

Trusting Scriptural Truths;
leads to: Spiritual Understanding
is: unique that it only comes from God

 

[Enoch111]

Communism has been repeatedly condemned by the Holy See, notably by Pope Pius XI in the encyclical letter, Divini Redemptoris.

But not by Francis. Show us one direct quotation from Pope Francis flatly condemning Liberation Theology and or Marxism/Communism. This Jesuit was first of all a Communist, then a Catholic.

 

[Taken]

Communism has been repeatedly condemned by the Holy See, notably by Pope Pius XI in the encyclical letter, Divini Redemptoris.

The LABEL "communism" has carried a "negative" sigma for eons.

Open eyes, "communism" has not disappeared:
It simply has adopted a new name:
"liberal socialist".
It's ideology, methods, tactics, targets:
Are the same.

 

[Enoch111]

The elevation that Mary gets from the Catholic religion is weird.

Not really. The apostate Jews offered cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and Catholics offer veneration to Mary, "Queen of Heaven".

 

[Illuminator]

But not by Francis. Show us one direct quotation from Pope Francis flatly condemning Liberation Theology and or Marxism/Communism. This Jesuit was first of all a Communist, then a Catholic.

I already gave Divini Redemptoris that you cannot accept. The Pope is bound to encyclicals of his predecessors, he cannot change them.
Pope’s warning on liberation theology condemned (churchtimes.co.uk)

Does Pope Francis Really Support Liberation Theology? - Living Faith - Home & Family - News - Catholic Online

Please, do some reading and stop making a fool of yourself.

 

[Illuminator]

Not really. The apostate Jews offered cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and Catholics offer veneration to Mary, "Queen of Heaven".

The fact that a pagan deity Ishtar was supposedly known as the queen of heaven doesn’t mean this term can’t rightfully be applied, in another sense altogether, to Mary. The pagan king of Babylon, Nebuchadnezzar, is called the king of kings by Daniel (Daniel 2:37), yet this doesn’t preclude Jesus from being called by the same title (Revelation 17:14; 19:16).

Since the destiny of all Christians is to reign as kings and queens with Christ in heaven (Eph 2:12; Rv 1:6; 5:10), and since Mary is the preeminent Christian, there’s nothing wrong with giving her the title which Christ, the King of Kings, bestowed upon her in making Mary his mother.

 

[Taken]

None, apart from the permission of the King. ]You have a king with no queen, an unthinkable notion to first century Jewish Christians. You reject the typology of the Old Testament, you reject the insight of the Early Church Fathers, you reject repeated explanations that Mary can only intercede, she has no power or authority on her own, you reject the polyvalent nature of Revelation 12, and you have no sound development of doctrine. Those are just some of the reasons why you refuse to understand why "Queen of Heaven" is a fitting title for Mary.

Perfect Example of Catholic methodology teaching.

Begin with;
* Dictating (in YOUR words) what is YOUR OPINION of what others BELIEVE;
(NOT what others HAVE SAID....
WHAT YOU HAVE SAID FOR THEM...)

next;
* Lamblast What YOU HAVE SAID for others.

next;
* "Reference" a Scripture, that DOES NOT buttress your claim.

next;
* Give your understanding, of the "referenced' Scripture, which is not what the Scripture says or means.

next;
* Reference Catholic Doctrine
* IF BOL, backpat yourself as if you have won a prize.

It's like watching programmed robotics in motion.

 

[Michiah-Imla]

Not really. The apostate Jews offered cakes to the Queen of Heaven, and Catholics offer veneration to Mary, "Queen of Heaven".

Amen!

Same practice, different names.

 

[Taken]

What ... "TRUE QUEEN of Heaven"?
WHO ... "ESTABLISHED" Heaven?
WHO ... "SITS on the THRONE" of Heaven?
WHO ... "RULES the Kingdom of Heaven"?
WHO ... "SAT a WIFE, a QUEEN" next to Him, giving "A" presence, "A" title", Authority for this "so called QUEEN" ?
WHAT is her name?
WHAT "authority" DOES this so called "TRUE QUEEN OF HEAVEN" have?

Asked and not answered...I'll give it a shot.

What ... "TRUE QUEEN of Heaven"?
* No Queen titles -
* Gods Saints bodily dead, Soul and spirit alive in Paradise.

WHO ... "ESTABLISHED" Heaven?
* God

WHO ... "SITS on the THRONE" of Heaven?
* God

WHO ... "RULES the Kingdom of Heaven"?
* Lord God Almighty

WHO ... "SAT a WIFE, a QUEEN" next to Him, giving "A" presence, "A" title", Authority for this "so called QUEEN" ?
* No one - is titled QUEEN.
* Converted are called - saints
* Converted bodily alive- footstool saints
* Converted bodily dead- heavenly saints

WHAT is her name?
* Gods inheritance / Saints

WHAT "authority" DOES this so called "TRUE QUEEN OF HEAVEN" have?
* Saints Authority - Serve God according to His Will.


Gen 1:
[1] In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

Isa 66: (a)
[1] Thus saith the LORD, The heaven my throne, the earth is my footstool:

Rom 1
[7] To all that be in Rome, beloved of God, called to be saints: Grace to you and peace from God our Father, and the Lord Jesus Christ.
1Cor.1
[2] Unto the church of God which is at Corinth, to them that are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all that in every place call upon the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

Eph 1:
[18] The eyes of your understanding being enlightened; that ye may know what is the hope of his calling, and what the riches of the glory of his inheritance in the saints...

2 Sam 3:
[10] To translate the kingdom from the house of Saul, and to set up the throne of David over Israel and over Judah, from Dan even to Beer-sheba.
2Sam.7
[13] He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.
[16] And thine house and thy kingdom shall be established for ever before thee: thy throne shall be established for ever.

Rev 3:
[21] To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in His throne.


Understanding;

Heb 13:
[8] Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever.

Gods THRONE IS Exclusively HEAVEN.
The Lord God Almighty SITS on His THRONE.

The THRONE God established on EARTH.
The Lord God Almighty "WILL GRANT" His Saints to "share, sit WITH Him IN His THRONE".

* Saints DO NOT SHARE Gods everlasting Heavenly THRONE.

* Saints will SHARE with God, Gods everlasting Footstool Earthly THRONE.

Truth trumps Fiction.