Biblical Mary

[Taken]

Now you are reduced to insults.

If YOU are insulted YOU deal with YOUR burden.

Matt 23:
[27] Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites!

Ya think the scribes and Pharisees were insulted?
Ya think Jesus dealt with THEIR burden?
Did the scribes and Pharisees whine to Jesus for insulting them?
Hint...Learn from Scirpture.

AND BTW... saying your are FINISHED then CONTINUING...oxymoron? Lie?

 

[Taken]

The Church councils weren't inventing idiotic fairy tales ....

LOL - sure they did.

 

[Brakelite]

The Church councils weren't inventing idiotic fairy tales

I'm not sure about that, but they certainly did believe a few.

 

[Webers_Home]

.
At last
My love has come along
My lonely days are over
And life is like a song (Oh, yeah, yeah)

At last
The skies above are blue
My heart was wrapped up in clover
The night I looked at you

I found a dream
That I could speak to
A dream that I can call my own
I found a thrill to press my cheek to
A thrill that I have never known (Oh, yeah)

When you smiled, you smiled (Oh)
And then the spell was cast
And here we are in Heaven
For you are mine at last.
Eta James 1960
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[Illuminator]

What ... "TRUE QUEEN of Heaven"?
WHO ... "ESTABLISHED" Heaven?
WHO ... "SITS on the THRONE" of Heaven?
WHO ... "RULES the Kingdom of Heaven"?
WHO ... "SAT a WIFE, a QUEEN" next to Him, giving "A" presence, "A" title", Authority for this "so called QUEEN" ?
WHAT is her name?
WHAT "authority" DOES this so called "TRUE QUEEN OF HEAVEN" have?

None, apart from the permission of the King. You have a king with no queen, an unthinkable notion to first century Jewish Christians. You reject the typology of the Old Testament, you reject the insight of the Early Church Fathers, you reject repeated explanations that Mary can only intercede, she has no power or authority on her own, you reject the polyvalent nature of Revelation 12, and you have no sound development of doctrine. Those are just some of the reasons why you refuse to understand why "Queen of Heaven" is a fitting title for Mary.

John 19:26 – Jesus makes Mary the Mother of us all as He dies on the Cross by saying “behold your mother.” Jesus did not say “John, behold your mother” because he gave Mary to all of us, his beloved disciples. All the words that Jesus spoke on Cross had a divine purpose. Jesus was not just telling John to take care of his mother.

Rev. 12:17 – this verse proves the meaning of John 19:26. The “woman’s” (Mary’s) offspring are those who follow Jesus. She is our Mother and we are her offspring in Jesus Christ. The master plan of God’s covenant love for us is family. But we cannot be a complete family with the Fatherhood of God and the Brotherhood of Christ without the Motherhood of Mary.

John 2:3 – this is a very significant verse in Scripture. As our mother, Mary tells all of us to do whatever Jesus tells us. Further, Mary’s intercession at the marriage feast in Cana triggers Jesus’ ministry and a foreshadowing of the Eucharistic celebration of the Lamb. This celebration unites all believers into one famiy through the marriage of divinity and humanity.

John 2:7 – Jesus allows His mother to intercede for the people on His behalf, and responds to His mother’s request by ordering the servants to fill the jars with water.

Psalm 45:9 – the psalmist teaches that the Queen stands at the right hand of God. The role of the Queen is important in God’s kingdom. Mary the Queen of heaven is at the right hand of the Son of God.

1 Kings 2:17, 20 – in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the King does not refuse his mother. Jesus is the new Davidic King, and He does not refuse the requests of his mother Mary, the Queen.

1 Kings 2:18 – in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom, the Queen intercedes on behalf of the King’s followers. She is the Queen Mother (or “Gebirah”). Mary is our eternal Gebirah.

1 Kings 2:19 – in the Old Testament Davidic kingdom the King bows down to his mother and she sits at his right hand. We, as children of the New Covenant, should imitate our King and pay the same homage to Mary our Mother. By honoring Mary, we honor our King, Jesus Christ.

THE BLESSED VIRGIN MARY - Scripture Catholic

 

[TheslightestID]

How do you know these 'people in a church' picked the right books?

How do you know they didn't? And why are you asking me that?

Yes the Catholic Church, as other churches, is full of sinners.

Yet theirs were some of the worst of sins you are making excuses for.

 

[Brakelite]

Yes the Catholic Church, as other churches, is full of sinners. Jesus didn't promise His Church would be impeccable but he did promise the lead it into all truth (John 16:16).

Strange way of arriving at truth... Like the declaration that Mary was mother of God, through fisticuffs and several riots in the home of Diana of Ephesus. Sinners? Bishops on both sides of the argument were profligate, violent, power hungry, pleasure seeking, boot licking, lackeys to whoever was winning the argument. They were worse than the heathen.

 

[Taken]

Strange way of arriving at truth... Like the declaration that Mary was mother of God, through fisticuffs and several riots in the home of Diana of Ephesus. Sinners? Bishops on both sides of the argument were profligate, violent, power hungry, pleasure seeking, boot licking, lackeys to whoever was winning the argument. They were worse than the heathen.

Everyone is a sinner.
Some like that status and stive to perfect that status.
Some are forgiven and saved and strive to improve their perfection IN Christ.

God Bless,
Taken

 

[Mungo]

Strange way of arriving at truth... Like the declaration that Mary was mother of God, through fisticuffs and several riots in the home of Diana of Ephesus. Sinners? Bishops on both sides of the argument were profligate, violent, power hungry, pleasure seeking, boot licking, lackeys to whoever was winning the argument. They were worse than the heathen.

Rubbish. I don't where you get stuff like that from.

 

[Mungo]

How do you know they didn't? And why are you asking me that?

Because if you dismiss them as 'just people in a Church' then what basis do you have for your beliefs?

Yet theirs were some of the worst of sins you are making excuses for.

I haven't made excuses for anyone.

 

[BreadOfLife]

If you are unable to verify a source for what you say,
That's on you.
Nothing in Scripture says Mary remaiined a virgin.

Scripture does say:
Gen 1:
[27] So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
[28] And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.

The man was clearly the womans husband.
Gen:3:6

The woman was clearly the mans wife.
Gen 3:8

If you have some Scripture that says, God changed HIS plan, and husbands and wives were to no longer, be fruitful, and multiply...
Spit it out.

Now there is a time when ....Jesus IS speaking to a crowd .... and
Matt 12:
[46] While he yet talked to the people, behold, his mother and his brethren stood without, desiring to speak with him.
[47] Then one said unto him, Behold, thy mother and thy brethren stand without, desiring to speak with thee.
[48] But he answered and said unto him that told him, Who is my mother? and who are my brethren?
[49] And he stretched forth his hand toward his disciples, and said, Behold my mother and my brethren!
[50] For whosoever shall do the will of my Father which is in heaven, the same is my brother, and sister, and mother.

Now, Mary and Whoever was "outside" with Mary, were Ignored... and Jesus EXPRESSLY stretched forth his had toward "His crowd of Disciples" on the "inside", and said Behold...
LOOK, those sitting with Him on the "inside" were they Jesus called "His mother and His brethren".
Where is Mary ever depicted in Scirpture as a disciple following Jesus around listening to Him?
Maybe she was too busy tending house and taking care of her children....her being a faithful believing in God....who said for husbands and wives to multiply.

And again - your entire "Mary had other kids" myth is obliterated in John 18:26-27, when Jesus hand's his mother over to the care of one of His Apostles. This NEVER would have had to happen - IF she had other children to take care of her.

This ALSO proves that the his "brethren" in Matt. 12 weren't uterine siblings - but some other relation.
In fact - that question is answered in the comparative accounts of the women standing near the cross at the crucifixion (Matt. 27:56, Mark 15:40, John 19:25) - which show them to be the children of Marys' kinswoman (adelphe).

So, no matter HOW you try to perversely slice it - Jesus was Mary's ONLY child . . .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

Rev 12:17 when did the children of Israel ever keep the commandments or have the testimony of Jesus???
They killed him!!!

1. Not all Israelis killed Jesus. The early church for years was nothing but Jews!
2. Despite their propensity for disobedient bot Elijah and Paul were told by god there always has been a remnant.
3. And as Rev. 12:12 is still future- it hasn't happened but will happen.

6 And the woman fled into the wilderness, where she hath a place prepared of God, that they should feed her there a thousand two hundred and threescore days.

13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman which brought forth the man child.

14 And to the woman were given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness, into her place, where she is nourished for a time, and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent.

15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth water as a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away of the flood.

16 And the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened her mouth, and swallowed up the flood which the dragon cast out of his mouth.

17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

All these verses that apply to the woman of REv. 12 never happened to Mary at all. Therefore the woman of rev. 12 cannot be Mary in any way shape of form.

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...What a comic. Eves SEED is what Began Populating the Earth with Humans.

Jesus was not a Human,
Jesus came forth out from God in Heaven and was SENT to Earth, to Mary's WOMB, in the "LIKENESS" AS A MAN, as Scripture clearly teaches.

And until YOU can disprove the fact hat He was His mother's SEED (Gen. 3:15) and that SHE conceived Him in HER womb (Luke 1:31) - you don't have a Biblical leg to stand on.

 

[Ronald Nolette]

That's NOT what I'm talking about, Einstein.

The Roman Rite is only ONE of about TWENTY Liturgical Rites - which ALL belong to the Catholic Church.
Your derogatory use of the term "Romanism" only serves to magnify your abject ignorance of this fact.

I'm embarrassed for you when I read your ignorant nonsense . . .

So IOW, you cannot tell me the other liturgical rites I slander and instead just wish to spew furhter ad-hominems? Okay got it.

I only responded to what you wrote- if it wasn't what you meant, then please write what you mean so I can respond correctly.

 

[BreadOfLife]

Yet it is YOU, desperately preaching Catholic understanding of your Catholic man-made doctrine.

I have clearly said, Mary herself, and whether or not she and Joseph has sex, or she had children is irrelevant....the Highlight is Jesus, not Mary.

Tou are absolutely correct - for ONCE.

The highlight is ALWAYS Jesus. Maty being declared "Theotokos" (God-bearer) at the Council of Ephesus n 431 was ALL about Jesus - not Mary.
Mary being the FULFILLMENT of the Ark of the Covenant is ALL about Jesus - not Mary - and THAT'S why her having no other children is relevant.

STUDY your Bible . . .

 

[Ronald Nolette]

What's even MORE interesting is WHY he called her "Woman" in the final hour of His life.

Jesus was fulfilling the prophecy from Gen. 3:16 about the seed of the WOMAN (Mary) crushing the head of the serpent.
What ELSE would He call her but, "Woman"??

But He wasn't speaking to her about crushing the serpents head, but giving her to John to act LIKE his Mom! But nice attempt at trying to match two verses that don't.

 

[BreadOfLife]

So IOW, you cannot tell me the other liturgical rites I slander and instead just wish to spew furhter ad-hominems? Okay got it.

I only responded to what you wrote- if it wasn't what you meant, then please write what you mean so I can respond correctly.

Certainly, I can.

Just to name a FEW of those Liturgical Rites you have slandered by using the idiotic term "Romanism" are the Melkite, Maronite, Byzantine, Coptic, Alexandran, Ruthenian and many more.

We are the Catholic Church - not "Romanism", Einstein.

 

[BreadOfLife]

But He wasn't speaking to her about crushing the serpents head, but giving her to John to act LIKE his Mom! But nice attempt at trying to match two verses that don't.

Sooooo, so you believe He was being dismissive of her by calling her "Woman"?

 

[BreadOfLife]

LOL...Human men are of dust and return to dust of the earth.
Obviously you are unaware, from Adam forward...every human has the same Elements that are IN the Earth...and when a human man eats a diet of junk, and does not replenish his body with a balance of Elements out of the earth, that human's health will fail, and often dies an early death,,,,and then they buried that body in the ground to return to dust of the Earth, from whence it came.

Perhaps you miss the lesson in Scirpture...
Jesus did not become dust of the Earth.
Jesus returned to God in Heaven from whence He came.

No - we're NOT made of dust. Only Adam was.
We're made from a sperm and an egg.

We are only FIGURATIVELY made from dust because we are his descendants.
Try to grasp the meaning of Scripture - IF you can . . .

 

[BreadOfLife]

I'm not sure about that, but they certainly did believe a few.

Ummmmm, such as?