Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse

[GRACE ambassador]

Fundamentalists actually do believe in authority.

Precious friend, Marymog, thank you. I perceive you to be one with whom I
could possibly have a Great Discussion of Holy Scriptures. So:

Yes, some of us believe God, In His Precious Word, When HE Teaches:

”The WORDS Of The LORD Are Pure WORDS: as silver tried
in a furnace of earth, Purified Seven Times. Thou Shalt Keep THEM,
O LORD, Thou Shalt PRESERVE THEM from this generation for ever.”
(Psalms 12:6-7 KJB!)

"I will worship toward Thy holy temple, and praise Thy
HOLY Name for Thy LovingKindness and for Thy TRUTH:
for Thou Hast MAGNIFIED Thy WORD Above All Thy Name!"
( Psalms 138:2 KJB! )

"And these things, brethren, I have in a figure transferred
to myself and to Apollos for your sakes; that ye might learn
in us not to think above That Which Is Written, that no
one of you be puffed up for one against another."
( 1 Corinthians 4:6 KJB! )

Thus, some of us believe God's WORD Is our Final Authority
for our "faith And practice":

I guess we CAN’T rely on the Bible alone according to @keithr?

Is that because, in the OP, he claimed that Matthew_28:19 was corrupt?

Thus, do you and I agree, According To The Previous Scriptures above,
that God, In Fact, Preserved HIS Precious Word, INCORRUPTIBLE,
"for ALL generations," And, that you and I can, In Fact, have a
Reliable Copy Today, in our OWN language?

Kinda like when, With God's Power, The Twelve "spoke in tongues, and Jews
from 15 Different countries heard HIS Wonderful WORD, in THEIR OWN language"?
(Acts 2:4-11 KJB!)

So, having said all that, could you please give your Excellent thoughts
on what Exactly happened, when I, after 27 yrs of "bondage in sin,"
heard (Romans 10:17 KJB!):

The Gospel {Good News} Of God's GRACE: ​

God Establishes HIS Eternal Relationship With those who humbly:
believe, 100% trust, place Total faith, In The LORD JESUS CHRIST, HIS
Death {Precious BLOOD}, Burial, And HIS Resurrection, According To The
Scriptures! (1 Corinthians 15:3-4; cp Ephesians 2:8-9; Romans 3-5 KJB!)

"GRACE Through faith" In The Merits Of HIS
Precious And ALL-Sufficient BLOOD Results:

All sins Forgiven, HIS Eternal Life, And, Peace With God!
{This Is Eternal DELIVERANCE From the PENALTY of sin!}
Justification!

Did, In Fact, God Himself, Do This Wonderful Work For me, when I
"believed And called on HIS HOLY Name"? HE Is "THE SAVIOUR," Correct?

Because, for 42 years now, Many have TOLD me, NO! He Did NOT!?
Can I really trust @kiethr, or these Many, or:

Would it be Much "...Better to Trust IN THE LORD..." (Psalm 118:8-9 KJB!)?

Looking forward to a Great BIBLE Discussion with you, Precious friend, Marymog...

 

[Wrangler]

Exodus 3:14-15 does not say anything like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & HS - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

 

[David in NJ]

I believe in the Deity of Christ. Deity is a Feminine Noun because Jesus was begotten or brought forth as with labor pains by Jehovah, His God and Father.

Strong's Concordance
theotés: deity
Original Word: θεότης, ητος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: theotés
Phonetic Spelling: (theh-ot'-ace)
Definition: deity
Usage: deity, Godhead.

A few other Feminine Nouns describing the nature and essence of Jesus Christ as being brought forth from the Father. I also believe in Grace. We have grace because of whom? Grace because Christ died for our sins.

Strong's Concordance
charis: grace, kindness
Original Word: χάρις, ιτος, ἡ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine
Transliteration: charis
Phonetic Spelling: (khar'-ece)
Definition: grace, kindness
Usage: (a) grace, as a gift or blessing brought to man by Jesus Christ, (b) favor, (c) gratitude, thanks, (d) a favor, kindness.

John 1:1c points to his Divine Nature, his Deity...theos

Strong's Concordance
theos: God, a god
Original Word: θεός, οῦ, ὁ
Part of Speech: Noun, Feminine; Noun, Masculine
Transliteration: theos
Phonetic Spelling: (theh'-os)
Definition: God, a god
Usage: (a) God, (b) a god, generally.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Jesus is Jehovah
These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He(Jesus) is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6

BEHOLD, HE (Jesus) IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelations 1:1-8

And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple = Jesus has full EQUALITY with God(Elohim/plural)

 

[BroRando]

Jesus is Jehovah
These will wage war against the Lamb, and the Lamb will overcome them, because He(Jesus) is Lord of lords and King of kings, and those who are with Him are the called and chosen and faithful.”

“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel, And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts: ‘I am the First and I am the Last; Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6

BEHOLD, HE (Jesus) IS COMING WITH THE CLOUDS, and every eye will see Him, even those who pierced Him; and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him. So it is to be. Amen. Revelations 1:1-8

And then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in the sky, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of the sky with power and great glory.

“I am the Alpha and the Omega,” says the Lord God, “who is and who was and who is to come, the Almighty.”

Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple = Jesus has full EQUALITY with God(Elohim/plural)

"No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18)

 

[David in NJ]

"No Man has Seen God at Any time" (John 1:18)

AWESOME - No one(man) has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Jesus(Jehovah) has seen God, because He is in the very bosom of the Father and not only has Jesus(Jehovah) seen God but Jesus(Jehovah) has ALWAYS been with the Father since Eternity.

Jesus EQUAL with God - "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17: 1-3

 

[BroRando]

AWESOME - No one(man) has seen God at any time. The only begotten Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, He has declared Him.

Jesus(Jehovah) has seen God, because He is in the very bosom of the Father and not only has Jesus(Jehovah) seen God but Jesus(Jehovah) has ALWAYS been with the Father since Eternity.

Jesus EQUAL with God - "Father, the hour is come; glorify thy Son, that thy Son also may glorify thee: as thou hast given him power over all flesh, that he should give eternal life to as many as thou hast given him. And this is life eternal, that they might know thee the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom thou hast sent." John 17: 1-3

No... Jesus was asking the only true God to glorify him once more. "So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

 

[David in NJ]

No... Jesus was asking the only true God to glorify him once more. "So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

Amazing - You quote the scripture that proves everything God's Word declares about Jesus(Jehovah) but you refuse to acknowledge it - WOW

 

[David in NJ]

No... Jesus was asking the only true God to glorify him once more. "So now, Father, glorify me at your side with the glory that I had alongside you before the world was." (John 17:5)

Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple = Jesus has full EQUALITY with God(Elohim/plural)

You CANNOT worship the Father without FIRST worshiping the Son as EQUAL to God.. God will reject you. Read John chapter 5 and chapter 8

 

[BroRando]

Behold, the dwelling place of God is with man, and He will dwell with them.
They will be His people, and God Himself will be with them as their God.
But I saw no temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple = Jesus has full EQUALITY with God(Elohim/plural)

You CANNOT worship the Father without FIRST worshiping the Son as EQUAL to God.. God will reject you. Read John chapter 5 and chapter 8

That's not what Jesus Christ said....

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.' (John 14:28)

 

[David in NJ]

Well then you will

That's not what Jesus Christ said....

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.' (John 14:28)

You cannot enter God's Temple without FIRST worshiping the Son -You never read John ch 5 & ch 8

 

[David in NJ]

That's not what Jesus Christ said....

You heard that I said to you, ‘I am going away and I am coming back to you.’ If you loved me, you would rejoice that I am going to the Father, for the Father is greater than I am.' (John 14:28)

Jesus came to earth as the Servant of God - He humbled Himself and became a servant unto death- Jesus was not yet resurrected and returned to His former Glory - So, YES, Jesus, the son of man, is saying the Father is greater than I. That does not discount His Echad in Elohim = The Godhead.
You reject scripture to prove a falsehood.

 

[BroRando]

Well then you will


You cannot enter God's Temple without FIRST worshiping the Son -You never read John ch 5 & ch 8

That's not what Jesus said.

God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. (John 4:23)

 

[BroRando]

Jesus came to earth as the Servant of God - He humbled Himself and became a servant unto death- Jesus was not yet resurrected and returned to His former Glory - So, YES, Jesus, the son of man, is saying the Father is greater than I. That does not discount His Echad in Elohim = The Godhead.
You reject scripture to prove a falsehood.

I'm just quoting the words of Jesus Christ.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

lol x3 = Jesus is not in Rev 1:8 just like Jesus is not in John 1:1 - You guys and your jokes are too funny.

Nothing like denying His Reality - Try reading - And the Word became flesh.....

And what does it mean to you when that scripture says the word became flesh? Do you believe the word is God and therefore it was God who became flesh(human) or do you believe that the word is the Only Begotten Son of God and therefore it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh (human).

 

[David in NJ]

That's not what Jesus said.

God is a Spirit, and those worshipping him must worship with spirit and truth. (John 4:24)

Nevertheless, the hour is coming, and it is now, when the true worshippers will worship the Father with spirit and truth, for indeed, the Father is looking for ones like these to worship him. (John 4:23)

Quoting but not believing - To honor the Father you must worship the Son = The Son is the TRUTH
Read and study the Gospel of John and pray to the Lord Jesus Christ because the Father will not hear you otherwise.

 

[David in NJ]

And what does it mean to you when that scripture says the word became flesh? Do you believe the word is God and therefore it was God who became flesh(human) or do you believe that the word is the Only Begotten Son of God and therefore it was the Only Begotten Son of God who became flesh (human).

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God"
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God.

God is 3 Persons who are Echad = United as One

Exodus 3:14-15 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

 

[Iconoclast]

Exodus 3:14-15 does not say anything like The nature of God is a trinity - consisting of the Father, Son & HS - and if you do not believe this, you cannot be saved but are damned to hell forever.

The trinity is clearly taught in scripture. To deny this is to remain in the realm of death.

 

[BARNEY BRIGHT]

Genesis 1:1 "In the beginning God"
John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God , and the Word was God.

God is 3 Persons who are Echad = United as One

Exodus 3:14-15 And God said unto Moses, I AM THAT I AM: and he said, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, I AM hath sent me unto you. 15And God said moreover unto Moses, Thus shalt thou say unto the children of Israel, The LORD God of your fathers, the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, hath sent me unto you: this is my name for ever, and this is my memorial unto all generations.

Yes, I understand you believe the Trinity doctrine to be a biblical truth. I however have never found the Trinity doctrine in the scriptures. This is all I will say on this topic, since this post isn't really about the Trinity doctrine but rather Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted or not. I stand firm that whether a person is baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit or is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ that both baptisms are appropriate and nothing is wrong with either baptism.

 

[David in NJ]

Yes, I understand you believe the Trinity doctrine to be a biblical truth. I however have never found the Trinity doctrine in the scriptures. This is all I will say on this topic, since this post isn't really about the Trinity doctrine but rather Matthew 28:19 has been corrupted or not. I stand firm that whether a person is baptized in the name of the Father, Son and Holy Spirit or is baptized in the name of Jesus Christ that both baptisms are appropriate and nothing is wrong with either baptism.

I guess you missed Exodus 3:14-16 - this is a Commandment from God - For EVER

 

[keithr]

Is it possible that theology has changed over the years? I agree with you that in the early Church some baptized in the name of Jesus only and others used the trinitarian method. Wouldn’t that mean there was a change in theology or teaching over the years? And the dominate, or theologically correct method of baptism won out?

Yes, theology certainly has changed over the years, just as the Apostle Paul foretold would happen (2 Thessalonians 2:3, KJV):

... that day shall not come, except there come a falling away first, ...​

The doctrine of the trinity was a big falling away from the truth (apostasy)! Christians were falling away from the truth from very early on. As Paul wrote, "This you know, that all who are in Asia turned away from me" (2 Timothy 1:15). He went on to say, (2 Timothy 2, WEB):

15) Give diligence to present yourself approved by God, a workman who doesn’t need to be ashamed, properly handling the Word of Truth.
16) But shun empty chatter, for it will go further in ungodliness,
17) and those words will consume like gangrene, of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
18) men who have erred concerning the truth, saying that the resurrection is already past, and overthrowing the faith of some.
19) However God’s firm foundation stands, having this seal, “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from unrighteousness.”

So Paul pointed out that some had mistakenly interpreted the Scriptures and were causing confusion, and causing people to abandon their faith, even in Paul's day. It's no wonder that even more errors were spread after Paul and the other Apostle had died and were no longer around to point out their errors. And that is why Jude wrote, "I was constrained to write to you exhorting you to contend earnestly for the faith which was once for all delivered to the saints" (Jude 1:3). The theology was not intended to be changed over the years. Just because the errors became dominant that doesn't mean that it was correct! The Roman Catholic church went on to persecute and kill thousands of Christians, supposedly in Jesus' name, but that wasn't correct either!

How can you KNOW which one was added and His words were altered?

Well that was what my first post in this thread was about!

Your evidence of alteration is very weak.....IMO.

In my opinion, it is quite convincing, and confirms my suspcion that was based on the Scriptures.

Your “baptize only in the name of Jesus” teaching is not held by a majority of denominations. Does that concern you?

It doesn't convince me that the majority are right - the Bible is our source of proof. As Paul said in 2 Timothy (again!):

3:16) Every Scripture is God-breathed and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for instruction in righteousness,