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Hearing on China and U.S. National Security | C-SPAN.org

So one of the things that came up at this hearing I posted above... (EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH IT)
I guess we are trying to figure a way to make our own chips.. what are they sim card..?
Whatever they put in phones, I forget what they're called, anyways..
We have to bring back manufacturing them here without China's influence over them like Wawai.
And I thought I heard one of the panel (on the zoom) say that we are working on a "smart phone"
that is not connected to China.

VERY INTERESTING HEARING by the way...

JUST SAYING...
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You know what bothers me about what you just wrote @runningwings ?

Ii was thinking today... ( I do that sometimes)
We have a very big adversary trying to take us out right now. The Chinese Communist Party.
They have infiltrated almost every aspect of our western way of life and democracy.
Our beliefs, our trusts, and are systematically stripping away our humanity and our rights.

You said:


And I was thinking about how Israel when they would turn away from God, some adversarial nation would be given power to overcome the Israel people.
Like Nebucchednezar was given a kingdom and a people to be God's arm to chastise His people that had gone awol.
Like Rome was given authority by God to rule over and control Jerusalem and all of Asia, all through the Gospels and the book of Acts, until Rome was conquered and another rose in it's place.

We know that this country for a long time now has fallen from God's Grace.
Our lewdness and crimes have overtaken the foundations, of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness.
And has turned into a cesspool of do what you want, when you want, regardless of who gets stepped on, abused, or even killed.

I am of the opinion that China is not a coincidence.
That they are being allowed to accumulate power and wealth, to use tactics against us that normally we would never think of doing as a nation.
Spying, propaganda, race baiting, attacking people's beliefs and religions...
That's just not American...
But it is the way the Chinese operate. Infiltration from within.
And the only way they could have come in is, the watchers fell asleep at the gate. They fell asleep on the wall.
We let our defences down. We removed prayers from schools. We allowed new technologies to take the place of studying and learning,
congregating, family, and prayer.
We dropped the ball.

We allowed our core principles to be chipped away. We opened our elementary schools to in any other decade would be considered almost pornographic if not wholly so. Allowing drag queens to read storytime to our children in Libraries. Some dressed as very creepy entities, but they have also been caught exposing themselves to children while reading stories.
We have allowed hatred to take control of every aspect of relationships. Gender. race. religion. political party..

Now my problem is...
China doesn't have an ounce of christianity in it's pinky finger.
They are genociding Muslim Uigers in China as we speak.
They have no mercy.

How do we allow ourselves as christians to put ourselves under an authority that knows no God?
That leads me to think of the Hebrews who when a new Pharaoh (power) rose up, who didn't know God, didn't even know Joseph.
But brought all the Hebrews under his authoritative dictatorship.
Increased labour with less resources, enslaved them to work for his empire.

Moses led a revolt. Pharoah's time had come to be cast down because now another would become first and the first would become last.
The rise and fall of nations.
And so here we are.. America First, the Greatest, Richest, most Democratic nation of the world... gone Godless..
We can't continue the path of being the greatest and Godless at the same time.
China is the Lord's Nebuchadnezzar, and we will be chastised.
I just pray we don't forget to pray.
That we keep God alive in our children so that China can not strip Him from our children's heritage.
They will try and already are turning people away from churches, their pastors...
they use propaganda to smear people and call them criminals, even though they may be innocent,
it causes mistrust, and doubt...
It is a way they erode things that our at the core of hearts and beliefs.

How do we allow ourselves to submit to that kind of authority?

Thank You
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Hey Ziggy,

I know all this regarding the CCP. I am aware of all the tactics you listed, I know enough history and even have personal experience in my family regarding the horrors of communism, I'm with you. However, I see what I perceive to be a contradiction in your line of thinking: you say, "China is not a coincidence" and that "China is the Lord's Nebuchadnezzar," and I agree! However, you also say, "How do we allow ourselves as christians to put ourselves under an authority that knows no God?". Well, I think your second point is answered by your first point....

I know America has turned its back on the LORD. That doesn't mean we as aspiring Christians need to. Just because people have accepted these ways of life that run contrary to our beliefs does not mean we have to go along with it. It also doesn't mean we need to start any rebellions. There will be lines in the sand to draw, but I think there is prudence and discernment to be had regarding this. At the end of the day, let us not forget:

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

(Mark 13:11)

I do think things will get worse and that "brother will betray brother to death" (Mark 13:12) - I may be right and I may be wrong. Regardless, we must accept whatever circumstances the LORD presents us with. Just because a majority in the country we live in have abandoned God does not mean we need to, however, we needn't put the weight of the world on our shoulders regarding the terror that is China and all the like. I agree with what Paul recommends:

"...that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you..."

(1 Thessalonians 4:11)
 
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Hey Ziggy,

I know all this regarding the CCP. I am aware of all the tactics you listed, I know enough history and even have personal experience in my family regarding the horrors of communism, I'm with you. However, I see what I perceive to be a contradiction in your line of thinking: you say, "China is not a coincidence" and that "China is the Lord's Nebuchadnezzar," and I agree! However, you also say, "How do we allow ourselves as christians to put ourselves under an authority that knows no God?". Well, I think your second point is answered by your first point....

I know America has turned its back on the LORD. That doesn't mean we as aspiring Christians need to. Just because people have accepted these ways of life that run contrary to our beliefs does not mean we have to go along with it. It also doesn't mean we need to start any rebellions. There will be lines in the sand to draw, but I think there is prudence and discernment to be had regarding this. At the end of the day, let us not forget:

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

(Mark 13:11)

I do think things will get worse and that "brother will betray brother to death" (Mark 13:12) - I may be right and I may be wrong. Regardless, we must accept whatever circumstances the LORD presents us with. Just because a majority in the country we live in have abandoned God does not mean we need to, however, we needn't put the weight of the world on our shoulders regarding the terror that is China and all the like. I agree with what Paul recommends:

"...that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you..."

(1 Thessalonians 4:11)

Daniel..
We have to be Daniel.

Thank You for your reply..
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Hey Ziggy,

I know all this regarding the CCP. I am aware of all the tactics you listed, I know enough history and even have personal experience in my family regarding the horrors of communism, I'm with you. However, I see what I perceive to be a contradiction in your line of thinking: you say, "China is not a coincidence" and that "China is the Lord's Nebuchadnezzar," and I agree! However, you also say, "How do we allow ourselves as christians to put ourselves under an authority that knows no God?". Well, I think your second point is answered by your first point....

I know America has turned its back on the LORD. That doesn't mean we as aspiring Christians need to. Just because people have accepted these ways of life that run contrary to our beliefs does not mean we have to go along with it. It also doesn't mean we need to start any rebellions. There will be lines in the sand to draw, but I think there is prudence and discernment to be had regarding this. At the end of the day, let us not forget:

"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

(Mark 13:11)

I do think things will get worse and that "brother will betray brother to death" (Mark 13:12) - I may be right and I may be wrong. Regardless, we must accept whatever circumstances the LORD presents us with. Just because a majority in the country we live in have abandoned God does not mean we need to, however, we needn't put the weight of the world on our shoulders regarding the terror that is China and all the like. I agree with what Paul recommends:

"...that you also aspire to lead a quiet life, to mind your own business, and to work with your own hands, as we commanded you..."

(1 Thessalonians 4:11)
It's nice to meet you by the way..
Welcome to the Forum if I didn't see you in the intro
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Hearing on China and U.S. National Security | C-SPAN.org

So one of the things that came up at this hearing I posted above... (EVERYONE SHOULD WATCH IT)
I guess we are trying to figure a way to make our own chips.. what are they sim card..?
Whatever they put in phones, I forget what they're called, anyways..
We have to bring back manufacturing them here without China's influence over them like Wawai.
And I thought I heard one of the panel (on the zoom) say that we are working on a "smart phone"
that is not connected to China.

VERY INTERESTING HEARING by the way...

JUST SAYING...
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There is something much bigger at work in this . And most folks are going to overlook it .
The D TEN . They are the so called answer to china and Five G .
OH a system is coming all right . The D ten . Remember that well .
Cause that is what the liberal democracies are .
We are, perhaps witnessing something even bigger . And its right in our face .
The D ten and the five G . You should have watched the video of about two years back .
And where all this Five G and so called chips are headed .
THEY GONNA CHIP THE SHEEP MY FRIEND . And its the D TEN leading in this . TEN .
Now why does that number sound so familiar . Mayhaps the ten kings are coming to global power as one .
And nigh the end the kings of the east march . WHO has that size of an army ...........CHINA DOES .
We are witnessing things unfolding .
 
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Dont no one take no chip or rfid tattoe . On that i do warn us all . Touch it not .
Theys a gonna trick the people into getting chipped in times ahead .
This is all about a global one govt .
 
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I've just checked out his de-googled phones, pricey, but something to consider. Thank you!!

Much love!

I believe on his page he said something about a link with the instructions where one could de-google their own phone.. He warns that it is technical and easy to as he said ‘brick’ one’s phone… I’m way to technology handicapped to try anything like that, but if you were brave enough, depending on the phone you have it might be able to be de-googled for free…

Just for thought, Not me
 
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No need to denigrate me for making a different choice though.

You are being too touchy on this subject matter to think that I am trying to denigrate you for the choices that you are attempting to make with respect to your phone and its usage.

Previously I chose to not have data networking capabilities with my previous phones, however, the phone's messaging service of the network providers meant that I could not download any messages at all and so I then had to phone the senders up to get the message they had intended to send me.

I now have opened up my phone for data networking. It is a safety thing for me in my increasing years and needs as I age disgracefully, which all older people do.

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There is something much bigger at work in this . And most folks are going to overlook it .
The D TEN . They are the so called answer to china and Five G .
OH a system is coming all right . The D ten . Remember that well .
Cause that is what the liberal democracies are .
We are, perhaps witnessing something even bigger . And its right in our face .
The D ten and the five G . You should have watched the video of about two years back .
And where all this Five G and so called chips are headed .
THEY GONNA CHIP THE SHEEP MY FRIEND . And its the D TEN leading in this . TEN .
Now why does that number sound so familiar . Mayhaps the ten kings are coming to global power as one .
And nigh the end the kings of the east march . WHO has that size of an army ...........CHINA DOES .
We are witnessing things unfolding .
The thing about this hearing is they make a point of saying that the public needs to hear this.
And what the hearing is about is usually kept in classified settings.
But they felt it necessary to inform the public of how Chins is gaining influence in corporations, with politicians, lobbyists..etc.
And how they use "students" who come here to research as the ones who move the information and technologies from US to China.
And because these "students" have families that live in China, they are put under a lot of duress to do what they are told.
It's a pretty intense hearing. I didn't see it listed yesterday when they had the hearing. I saw it today, and thought I would watch it.
Not that the information surprised me, but that they made the information public did.
Some people who were asked to come on the panel refused because they feared to be exposed.

It's a very important hearing. There is no political bantering or bias.. it's strictly on point.

I was disappointed when the Senator from Maine, Angus King, my senator ugh, only submitted his questions and left.
He didn't stay to listen or to question. Which I found very interesting. He has his hands in a lot of things up here.
I wouldn't be surprised if he knows but didn't want to be heard...
He and Bernie Sanders, the only 2 Independents in Congress. And he always votes (D)

It was the disclosure and transparency of what China is doing in the US, that I found eyeopening.
That hasn't happened for awhile. Not much surprises me any more.

We may need to boycott a lot of things in order to distangle them from their grip they have on us.
And that won't be easy because they have a grip on just about everything.
Agriculture, Education, Manufacturing, Technology, Medical....
We may have to give up everything to save our Independence and our freedom.

Mat 16:26 For what is a man profited, if he shall gain the whole world, and lose his own soul? or what shall a man give in exchange for his soul?

I think we will have to find out.
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I know we all don't have the time like some of us to sit around and watch a hearing for 2 hours.
But I'm going to drop one right here.
And I hope even if you have to watch it in 15 minute clips, that you PLEASE PLEASE listen to what China is doing.
This hearing is very transparent, in-depth, no partisan BS, serious poo poo we are facing as China's influence takes over our country.
PLEASE WATCH.
THANK YOU

I put this here because it has to do with technologies concerning 5G, Wawai, our media, medical industry, the Market...
VERY SERIOUS STUFF

HUGS

Hearing on China and U.S. National Security | C-SPAN.org

There is a transcript below the video for those who prefer to read, like me. One thing I quickly noticed, something I've already known, when you give up information to Chinese companies, that information will be collected by the Chinese government.

Now why oh why would China want personal information on millions and millions of Americans as they try to take over our country??

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You are being too touchy
You always say that . . .

I imagine then that this part has nothing to do with me, and you just kind of wrote it out of the blue?

Becoming paranoid over the "smart" phone that we own is really not healthy for us.

Or is this one of those, "You're Paranoid!" things, with deniability? Keep it real.

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As difficult as some of these thoughts may be, especially as you consider the well-being of your wife, let us be grounded in faith and welcome these attacks anyways. Not invite them, not ask for them, but accept them if they come...
Please check my next post . . .

Much love!
 

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There seem to be several who are thinking I'm cowering in fear of my phone.

When you are in a store, and you are looking for a back scratcher, and you have two in front of you to choose from, you compare them, right?

So one has nice smooth scratching fingers, the other has mold lines on the edges which could gouge you. So I'm going to choose the one which has the lesser likelyhood to hurt me. Because I'm running in terror? No, because I'm being smart.

OH look! That back scratcher has a built in FM radio! And it will compute how many strokes it takes to satisfy the itch! Don't you want that one? No, I only wish to scratch my back.

Much love!
 
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This last command was the toughest truth for me personally to swallow, because of the love I have for my family. But this is what Christ demands and we must heed His word.

When Jesus Christ becomes your primary relationship, all these fall into place.

Let us not be taken by even an ounce of fear and rejoice in the glorious LORD ALMIGHTY.

Amen!

Perfect love casts our fear. And OH! How He loves us!!!!

Much love!
 
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Count it all joy, bro.
There's no fear in love.
It's NOT about fear, please!!

Can't I make a choice based on reason and not emotion??

Do you know that you choose how you feel by choosing how to think? It's true. Trusting Jesus brings Joy and Peace. Every Time! And you can STILL go on to want a dumb phone to avoid being scooped up in the purges. There is plenty of time to be persecuted and martyred, I'd like to bear more fruit as long as I can.

I want to live as long as I can. I want to retain freedom as long as I can. I want the Lord to come, but I cherish still the delay. We work during the day. The night is coming in which no man can work. We have ONE opportunity in this world to grow and gain and produce whatever it is we will produce.

I feel like I've wasted a significant portion of my life. I want to redeem the time, as much of it as I can.

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Didn't see that, thank you. I need to look better :). I would love to give up my smartphone but that is the only way for my free bus pass that my job gives me. I would love though to get a pinephone which has all that location stuff turned off, it runs Linux and no google stuff.
Is it worth the bus fare?

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"But when they arrest you and deliver you up, do not worry beforehand, or premeditate what you will speak. But whatever is given you in that hour, speak that; for it is not you who speak, but the Holy Spirit."

(Mark 13:11)

We can really trust in this!! God just flows words through us in those times. We truly need not be concerned over such things.

Much love!