David in NJ
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LMAO - you are too funny. Go read the opening of Genesis = It is the THEME of the entire Bible.
Matthew 28:19 – Trinity corrupted verse
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LMAO - you are too funny. Go read the opening of Genesis = It is the THEME of the entire Bible.
Fair enough, starting at level-1
God said to Moses I AM (he didn't say "we" are)
Thou shalt have no other Gods before ME (not "we")
Jesus Himself made it clear numerous times he was SUBORDINATE to The Father.
Nowhere in scripture (And I specifically exclude all churchianity dogma and "mans" thoughts) is the Holy Spirit ascribed as a sentient being (Including older writings)
That should keep you busy for a while.
In the interim, what specific "definition" of "Trinity" do you ascribe to so I can prepare the appropriate information to help you?
Why the non answer and obfuscation?
I did read it so could you specifically and exactly point to the wording that "proves" a Trinity as you stated?
You seem to talk much but say little of value
David in NJ
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Yes and Jesus also said I AM and the scriptures tell us that I AM is Jesus
Context is key. Jesus was speaking specifically and only in reference to Abraham on a timeline- That is not what God was addressing to Moses so the comparison relative to the situation posed in the thread is invalid and non sequitur.
David in NJ
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Nope
Jesus said before Abraham I AM
Jesus did not just say from a timeline = before Abraham I existed
Jesus is the IAM who spoke to Moses - How do we know = Jesus said Moses wrote about ME.
If you had believed Moses, you would believe Me, because he wrote about Me. John 5:47
In the beginning was the WORD and the WORD was with God and the WORD was GOD. John 1:1
This is why i am lmao at religious statements that contradict Scripture from the WORD which is the WORD.
Oh goodness, here we go
Pay attention to your own words, "before" is the timeline I was referring to so thank you for confirming exactly what I said. That is in no way referring to the Deity status of Jesus in that account. ( any angel could have said the exact same thing in that context)
I would suggest several learning annexes here and some deep study. That's just simply a wrong interpretation and interpreting with a heavy prejudice. (not reading what's written but reading it through a lens of what you want to see)
Do you actually know what that means? I would love to hear what you think it means but it has nothing to do with a Trinity doctrine as is the subject of this thread.
Well, its good you have a sense of humor because given what you have posted so far, you have many religious statements that contradict scripture and I just pointed out some more for you.
Pay attention to your own words, "before" is the timeline I was referring to so thank you for confirming exactly what I said. That is in no way referring to the Deity status of Jesus in that account. ( any angel could have said the exact same thing in that context)
I would suggest several learning annexes here and some deep study. That's just simply a wrong interpretation and interpreting with a heavy prejudice. (not reading what's written but reading it through a lens of what you want to see)
Do you actually know what that means? I would love to hear what you think it means but it has nothing to do with a Trinity doctrine as is the subject of this thread.
Well, its good you have a sense of humor because given what you have posted so far, you have many religious statements that contradict scripture and I just pointed out some more for you.
The assertion you made was that "Overall, the "trinity doctrine" (as it is commonly referred to in most Anglo cultures) is a man made false doctrine born mainly out of RCC manipulation and some serious transliteration errors
You have made no attempt to justify that.
If you don't understand what the "trinity doctrine" (as it is commonly referred to in most Anglo cultures) actually is then how can you say it was born mainly out of RCC manipulation and some serious transliteration errors.
BTW, I assume by RCC you are incorrectly referring to the Catholic Church.
David in NJ
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Yes I did, you are just obfuscating now because I put an abrupt end to your diatribe. Now address my points and stop evading them.
I understand them and correct them frequently. I was specifically asking because there are various differences and nuances across belief systems.
You assume wrong.
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Very welcome but its sad that that's all you have left. All hat and no cattle but at least you have your humor.
Its not difficult to see when one has no substance with which to discuss, they and their points quickly devolve into nothingness then get stuck in a repeat cycle.
David in NJ
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I do not argue with people who fight against scripture and reject the obvious clear teachings such as John 1:1 and Genesis.
I just laugh with their jokes.
No, you just pontificate incorrect points to hide behind legitimate discourse where your points could be addressed.
Then you resort to ad hom and deliberate obfuscation in order to avoid exposing both the weaknesses of your positions and inability to address the strengths of the other views.
David in NJ
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Sometimes love just aint enough (to give any strength or legitimacy to your points)
I suggest some deep and vigorous study, that almost always increases substance of a given belief or point.
David in NJ
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LOL x 100
Dear Brother, God said Let US, make man in OUR Image, according to OUR Likeness....
God said to Moses, “I AM who I AM - This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my Name forever, the Name you shall call me from generation to generation."
The theme of Genesis is the Trinity.
Dear Brother, God said Let US, make man in OUR Image, according to OUR Likeness....
God said to Moses, “I AM who I AM - This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”
God also said to Moses, “Say to the Israelites, ‘The Lord, the God of your fathers—the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac and the God of Jacob—has sent me to you.’
“This is my Name forever, the Name you shall call me from generation to generation."
The theme of Genesis is the Trinity.
OK, again, by the numbers
And from scripture- WHO was God addressing? ( provide chapter and verse to shore it up)
And your point? "I" is still a singular pronoun as I alluded to earlier. (I hope you don't think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are 3 different beings do you?)
Again, singular personal possessive
What chapter and verse is that in again?
You might benefit from laughing less and studying a whole lot more.
And from scripture- WHO was God addressing? ( provide chapter and verse to shore it up)
And your point? "I" is still a singular pronoun as I alluded to earlier. (I hope you don't think the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob are 3 different beings do you?)
Again, singular personal possessive
What chapter and verse is that in again?
You might benefit from laughing less and studying a whole lot more.
David in NJ
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An Apologetic Sheepdog says "You might benefit from laughing less and studying a whole lot more."
Your blindness, is it willful, taught or both?
You religious people make the laughter non stop especially with the 'study' remarks.
Your blindness, is it willful, taught or both?
You religious people make the laughter non stop especially with the 'study' remarks.
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You have made no attempt to show that the "trinity doctrine" (as it is commonly referred to in most Anglo cultures) is a man made false doctrine born mainly out of RCC manipulation and some serious transliteration errors which is the point I challenged.
Your failure to do that and your attempt to discuss something else instead shows that your claim was false.
This definition from Catholic Culture is a good one.
TRINITY, THE HOLY
Definition
A term used since A.D. 200 to denote the central doctrine of the Christian religion. God, who is one and unique in his infinite substance or nature, is three really distinct persons, the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The one and only God is the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Yet God the Father is not God the Son, but generates the Son eternally, as the Son is eternally begotten. The Holy Spirit is neither the Father nor the Son, but a distinct person having the divine nature from the Father and the Son by eternal procession. The three divine persons are co-equal, co-eternal, and consubstantial and deserve co-equal glory and adoration.
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Whether you think the Catholic Church under Pope Francis bears any relation to the church described in the NT is not the issue. The name of the church is not RCC or Roman Catholic Church, but Catholic Church. Calling it the RCC is either another insult or just ignorance.
You like jumping from one unsupported point to the next don't you?
I see clearly and have stated my case plainly and factually.
Now lets examine the log in your eye. You have yet to provide anything resembling proof, evidence or a clear validation of any point you pretend to make. Why is that?
You dodge legitimate discourse, you talk in circles while saying nothing and just keep on avoiding the root issues you claim you have all this knowledge and proof of.
Why?
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