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[Raccoon1010]

oh sorry
In your house yes priest prophet and king
But I speaking of the church
Only the apostles and their successors have authority

Thank you for respecting that. Now regarding the RCC, I am concerned that the Pope us currently supporting gay marriage. I've seen a few statements from people concerning that, and I found a picture with a rainbow emblum on him. I know that the official stance is not supporting homosexuality.

So what do you mean by apostate Vatican 2? What does that mean?

 

[theefaith]

Thank you for respecting that. Now regarding the RCC, I am concerned that the Pope us currently supporting gay marriage. I've seen a few statements from people concerning that, and I found a picture with a rainbow emblum on him. I know that the official stance is not supporting homosexuality.

So what do you mean by apostate Vatican 2? What does that mean?

since the death of pope Pius 12 1958 there has been a vatican 2 counterfeit apostasy in the Vatican
Vatican 2 refers to a false council held in 1963-65

 

[Raccoon1010]

since the death of pope Pius 12 1958 there has been a vatican 2 counterfeit apostasy in the Vatican
Vatican 2 refers to a false council held in 1963-65

So are you RCC? Is there a second RCC? I'm not sure how that works. I watched daily mass online and attend the Catholic Parish near to my home sometimes. I think they have referred to the Pope and his orders at times.

 

[post]

no you have no authority
Christ appointed the apostles and they only have authority

Don’t confuse the apostate Vatican 2 counterfeit with the one true church founded by Christ on Peter

bro, i agree that none of us are of authority, but the apostles were of authority, and their authority was because of the authority that Christ conferred on them: the only authority is God, who sent Christ from heaven as His own authority.

i am sure you've been told this before ((wow i hope so!)) but:

I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
(Matthew 16:18)​

the name Peter, petros, means rock, but it means specifically a small rock, the size a man can pick up in his hand.
there is a second word for rock in this verse, petra, which means a cliff or a boulder; a rock a human cannot pick up by his own strength.

so what Jesus says is you are 'petros' ((small rock)) and on this 'petra' ((huge boulder)) I will build My church.
Peter is a little pebble. Christ builds His church on a huge boulder. that huge boulder isn't Peter-the-pebble, but the thing Peter has just confessed in v. 17 - that knowledge that only the Father in heaven reveals to a man; that Jesus is the Son of God who descended from heaven.
that revelation of who Christ is, is "the rock" that He builds His church on. not the man named 'little pebble' - whose name is Simon, who is a type of Israel, along with all the other Simon/Simeons in the NT.

His church isn't built on Peter, but on knowledge of the holy

 

[Raccoon1010]

bro, i agree that none of us are of authority, but the apostles were of authority, and their authority was because of the authority that Christ conferred on them: the only authority is God, who sent Christ from heaven as His own authority.

i am sure you've been told this before ((wow i hope so!)) but:

I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
(Matthew 16:18)​

the name Peter, petros, means rock, but it means specifically a small rock, the size a man can pick up in his hand.
there is a second word for rock in this verse, petra, which means a cliff or a boulder; a rock a human cannot pick up by his own strength.

so what Jesus says is you are 'petros' ((small rock)) and on this 'petra' ((huge boulder)) I will build My church.
Peter is a little pebble. Christ builds His church on a huge boulder. that huge boulder isn't Peter-the-pebble, but the thing Peter has just confessed in v. 17 - that knowledge that only the Father in heaven reveals to a man; that Jesus is the Son of God who descended from heaven.
that revelation of who Christ is, is "the rock" that He builds His church on. not the man named 'little pebble' - whose name is Simon, who is a type of Israel, along with all the other Simon/Simeons in the NT.

His church isn't built on Peter, but on knowledge of the holy

The problem with this as I see it is that you've interpreted your own scripture instead of trusting the scripture that is already interpreted. And I think @theefaith might agree that peter was the start of the church that led down thru the lines to the true authority of the church of Christ. I don't think he believes that simply following the Holy is the authority that allows one to have their own church. Correct me if I'm wrong @theefaith.

And I would tend to agree. Simply having knowledge of the Holy does not make one an authority of the Church of Christ. God chooses the apostles until he left at which point the apostles chose their predecessors and so on and so forth down the lines to the Catholic church we know and see today. Unless God calls a prophet who then is given authority.

 

[post]

@post please don't make up your own definition of boast. I can boast in God's achievements either which way. But excessive is not the definition of boasting, it was excessive pride or excessive self satisfaction.

um, re-read.

i gave definition of "excessive" and i supported what is "excessive" from scripture.
any boasting about yourself is excessive.
let someone else call you a prophet. let someone else say you are wiser than all churches. trying to convince a catholic to become a protestant by telling them you yourself are more authoritative because you predict it will rain in Australia sometime in the next 2 weeks? ha!
it's embarrassing, and i'm trying to do you a favor.

believe me, this is post being gentle. i could criticize you much more sharply! wisdom is in humility, and meekness - and what i read you saying? that was not wise. the one who presents themselves as high and mighty, i will meet with equal scrutiny. the one who presents themselves as lowly and contrite, i will not break. the one who calls themselves 'teacher' i will strongly test, but the one who calls himself 'student' i will lead along tenderly.
why? because post doesn't live ((gee, look at his avatar!)) -- Christ lives in post, and this is how Christ is. Nicodemus the pharisee who came to Him calling Him rabbi, looking for wisdom? He taught. the pharisees who came to Him trying to trap Him and accuse Him? He exposed their shame. let my life also be a picture of you, Oh Lord!

you called yourself powerful and authoritative, so i gave you a test appropriate to your claims. that's all. you failed spectacularly. that's over now.
it's written, rebuke a wise man and he will love you; rebuke a scoffer and he will despise you.

well. wisdom is justified by her children.

 

[post]

And I would tend to agree. Simply having knowledge of the Holy does not make one an authority of the Church of Christ. God chooses the apostles until he left at which point the apostles chose their predecessors and so on and so forth down the lines to the Catholic church we know and see today. Unless God calls a prophet who then is given authority.

Christ is the head of the body ((Colossians 1:18))
end of story.

when a man says "i do this" and "i" that -- that's not glorifying God at all. that's glorifying one's self. go read Daniel 4.
when a man says "this pope" and "this apostle" -- that's not glorifying God at all. that's glorifying men. go read 1 Corinthians 3.

 

[Raccoon1010]

um, re-read.

i gave definition of "excessive" and i supported what is "excessive" from scripture.
any boasting about yourself is excessive.
let someone else call you a prophet. let someone else say you are wiser than all churches. trying to convince a catholic to become a protestant by telling them you yourself are more authoritative because you predict it will rain in Australia sometime in the next 2 weeks? ha!
it's embarrassing, and i'm trying to do you a favor.

believe me, this is post being gentle. i could criticize you much more sharply! wisdom is in humility, and meekness - and what i read you saying? that was not wise. the one who presents themselves as high and mighty, i will meet with equal scrutiny. the one who presents themselves as lowly and contrite, i will not break. the one who calls themselves 'teacher' i will strongly test, but the one who calls himself 'student' i will lead along tenderly.

you called yourself powerful and authoritative, so i gave you a test appropriate to your claims. that's all. you failed spectacularly. that's over now.
it's written, rebuke a wise man and he will love you; rebuke a scoffer and he will despise you.

well. wisdom is justified by her children.

I checked into the Catholic church and their miracles as directed by @theefaith and they appear genuine. I also see miracles performed by other churches. And this is a requirement I have if I am to suppose any church has authority. So with other churches performing miracles, the question then becomes, which church has authority? And the answer to that is all that perform miracles has authority in my opinion. Then the question becomes, who has more authority and is the most correct church. That is why I questioned @theefaith in the first place. And we are still discussing his idea that the church was handed down to his church and retained the authority of Christ.

It's clearly obvious that you don't respect my authority, so perhaps you should let that go now otherwise your coming off as harassing me. And that is against the forum rules.

 

[Taken]

His church isn't built on Peter, but on knowledge of the holy

Amen!

Upon this rock, principle, foundation: --->
Is what every Christ the Lord Jesus believing Church is built on.

Jesus is the Christ, the Son of the living God.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[post]

I checked into the Catholic church and their miracles as directed by @theefaith and they appear genuine. I also see miracles performed by other churches. And this is a requirement I have if I am to suppose any church has authority. So with other churches performing miracles, the question then becomes, which church has authority? And the answer to that is all that perform miracles has authority in my opinion. Then the question becomes, who has more authority and is the most correct church. That is why I questioned @theefaith in the first place. And we are still discussing his idea that the church was handed down to his church and retained the authority of Christ.

It's clearly obvious that you don't respect my authority, so perhaps you should let that go now otherwise your coming off as harassing me. And that is against the forum rules.

your trust is in signs and wonders?
and in your own personal authority?

have you never heard of 2 Thessalonians 2:9?

WOW


what a crazy forum, where so many strange creatures roam freely, having fear and respect of nothing!

 

[Raccoon1010]

your trust is in signs and wonders?
and in your own personal authority?

have you never heard of 2 Thessalonians 2:9?

WOW


what a crazy forum, where so many strange creatures roam freely, having fear and respect of nothing!

That verse appears to be describing the signs and wonders of Satan. Not healings and prophecy. They are different. The works of Satan might be killing good people when defied. Or giving vague predictions like a horoscope. Satan's works are different than Gods.

As far as prophecy we are taught that if something is prophesied and it comes true that is a sign of a prophet as the opposite means they are not a prophet:

Deuteronomy 18:22 when a prophet speaketh in the name of the Lord, if the thing follow not nor come to pass, that is the thing which the Lord hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously; thou shalt not be afraid of him.

Ezekiel 12:25 For I am the LORD: I will speak, and the word that I shall speak shall come to pass; it shall be no more prolonged: for in your days, O rebellious house, will I say the word, and will perform it, saith the Lord GOD.

 

[post]

Not healings and prophecy. They are different

Who heals the mortal wound of the antichrist?

And how are the Chinese receiving your important message, btw?

It's great that you can take time away from your mission to talk to Americans. So good God has blessed you with such leisure!

Thanks for your time, I know you must be so busy between hospitals and prolonging temporary earthly life in Asia.

 

[post]

As far as prophecy we are taught that if something is prophesied and it comes true that is a sign of a prophet as the opposite means they are not a prophet:

And if they teach you to follow gods you have not known ((for example themselves)) then do not fear them.

In fact, per the law, put them to death.
Wonder what the spiritual meaning of that is?
All of this is picturing Christ, and we're supposed to figure out how.

What does Christ say life is?

 

[Raccoon1010]

The earthquake from post#85 happened today. They usually appear 3 days after God tells me about them so I'm assuming this was it. And it wasn't totally in the location I saw. They're usually closer to where I see them. It is midline between north and south but not as close to the coast as I saw. It's a 5.4 here:https://earthquake.usgs.gov/earthquakes/eventpage/us6000f58r/executive

You can view it for a short time on the map here: Latest Earthquakes

 

[theefaith]

So are you RCC? Is there a second RCC? I'm not sure how that works. I watched daily mass online and attend the Catholic Parish near to my home sometimes. I think they have referred to the Pope and his orders at times.

The true church is underground suffering the days of sorrow the great apostasy
Look at what they teach
Is it the catholic and divine faith of Christ and his apostles
Or what

 

[theefaith]

bro, i agree that none of us are of authority, but the apostles were of authority, and their authority was because of the authority that Christ conferred on them: the only authority is God, who sent Christ from heaven as His own authority.

i am sure you've been told this before ((wow i hope so!)) but:

I also say to you that you are Peter, and on this rock I will build My church, and the gates of Hades shall not prevail against it.
(Matthew 16:18)​

the name Peter, petros, means rock, but it means specifically a small rock, the size a man can pick up in his hand.
there is a second word for rock in this verse, petra, which means a cliff or a boulder; a rock a human cannot pick up by his own strength.

so what Jesus says is you are 'petros' ((small rock)) and on this 'petra' ((huge boulder)) I will build My church.
Peter is a little pebble. Christ builds His church on a huge boulder. that huge boulder isn't Peter-the-pebble, but the thing Peter has just confessed in v. 17 - that knowledge that only the Father in heaven reveals to a man; that Jesus is the Son of God who descended from heaven.
that revelation of who Christ is, is "the rock" that He builds His church on. not the man named 'little pebble' - whose name is Simon, who is a type of Israel, along with all the other Simon/Simeons in the NT.

His church isn't built on Peter, but on knowledge of the holy

it’s on the very person of peter and his successors

men govern the holy church not a confession and you can’t give the keys (jurisdictional authority) to a confession
Does the confession also bind and loose no it’s peter and the apostles and their successors
Isa 22:21-22
Eph 2:20


What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?
What mission / ministry does Christ have?

Peter, the apostles and their successors have the same authority, power, and mission! Jn 20:21 as my father sent me, even so send I you!

The apostles are Christ’s successors!
They have authority to send others as well, apostle means one who is sent!

Therefore the apostles have authority to send more apostles or successors!
Apostolic succession!

The nations still need to be taught, disciples still need to be baptized and the church the new covenant kingdom of christ still needs to be governed!

Hebrews 3:1
Wherefore, holy brethren, partakers of the heavenly calling, consider the Apostle and High Priest of our profession, Christ Jesus;

Christ is an apostle, and has authority to send other apostles, the apostles also have this authority, so the apostles continue down thru the centuries as Christ promised! Matt 28:19-20

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

Moral authority:
(Teaching)
Necessity of being taught by Christ:
Two edge sword: defining truth and condemning errors, and Interpreting scripture.

Jurisdictional authority:
(Governing / administering)
Necessity of Peter and the apostles and their successors to govern the holy church.

Spiritual authority:
(Life of Grace)
Sanctifying thru the mass and Sacraments




Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

Lk 10:16
He who hears you hears me...

John 13:20
Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me; and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

Only the church has authority from Christ to define the truth and teach!
Matt 16:18 matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Jn 20:21-23 Jn 8:32 Jn 16:13

There still are Apostles matt 28:19 I am with you (the apostles) till the end

 

[post]

What authority does Christ have?
What power does Christ have?

All power, and all authority in heaven and on earth are His

There still are Apostles matt 28:19 I am with you (the apostles) till the end

This doesn't say there are apostles to the end.
It is Christ saying He is with His apostles to the end. What does He mean, 'end'?
He is the Beginning and the End
so what's He talking about? end of what? does He mean He won't be with them after the end? preposterous! look at the context; look at the actual text, which is not English. the end of the age - what age? and after that, what?

Jesus Christ continues HIS ministry in His new covenant church thru Peter, the apostles, and their successors with the same mission, power, and authority!
Mt 16:18 Mt 28:19 Acts 1:17 acts 8:31 & 35 Lk 10:16 Jn 8:32 Jn 13:20 Jn 15:5 Jn 16:13 Jn 20:21-22 eph 2:20

not only apostles - but everyone who loves Him. John 14:23.
that doesn't make @devin553344 an authority and it doesn't make anyone greater than anyone else in Him: in fact the one who would be great in Him must consider themselves less than everyone else ((Philippians 2:3 -- do not boast about or glory in yourself!))

Keys of authority! And power to bind and loose! Matt 16:18 and Matt 18:18 matt 28:19 Isa 22:21-22

you are not comprehending, and i am guessing have been misled by your human teachers about what is being said in Matthew:

Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.
(Matthew 18:18, Young's literal)​

the Greek has a tense that does not directly translate to English, because our pagan language doesn't have any such tense.
the things the apostles bound or loosed on earth were already bound or loosed in heaven before it ever entered their mind to speak a word. the authority is in heaven, in Christ, not in man, apart from Eternal LORD God Almighty Christ dwelling in men; whatever the apostles did is what was appointed already before them: they are servants carrying out the will of the Master who is before all things. go look it up and see if i am not telling you the truth!

 

[post]

Keys

it is Christ Jesus who holds the keys - Revelation 1:18
it is He who opens and no man shuts, and who shuts and no man opens - Revelation 3:7

not a man. not any man, but Jesus, the God-Man

the scripture isn't set against itself. the papal-praising interpretations you have been taught are simply not correct. He granted His keys to be used through the apostles: what they bound was already bound in heaven by the eternal self-existing One outside of time. what they loosed was already loosed in heaven by the eternal self-existing One outside of time Who was slain from the foundation of the world, who is, who was, and who is to come.

all power is His. anyone exerting His power is being used of Him, not having authority of their own but acting on the authority of the One dwelling in them and doing the work through them.

you must not bow before men, and you must not pray to women. but to God, and God alone

 

[Raccoon1010]

The true church is underground suffering the days of sorrow the great apostasy
Look at what they teach
Is it the catholic and divine faith of Christ and his apostles
Or what

So do you attend the Mass with the great apostasy and just keep your beliefs hidden? It must be difficult for you if you have to do this.

 

[Raccoon1010]

All power, and all authority in heaven and on earth are His



This doesn't say there are apostles to the end.
It is Christ saying He is with His apostles to the end. What does He mean, 'end'?
He is the Beginning and the End
so what's He talking about? end of what? does He mean He won't be with them after the end? preposterous! look at the context; look at the actual text, which is not English. the end of the age - what age? and after that, what?



not only apostles - but everyone who loves Him. John 14:23.
that doesn't make @devin553344 an authority and it doesn't make anyone greater than anyone else in Him: in fact the one who would be great in Him must consider themselves less than everyone else ((Philippians 2:3 -- do not boast about or glory in yourself!))



you are not comprehending, and i am guessing have been misled by your human teachers about what is being said in Matthew:

Verily I say to you, Whatever things ye may bind upon the earth shall be having been bound in the heavens, and whatever things ye may loose on the earth shall be having been loosed in the heavens.
(Matthew 18:18, Young's literal)​

the Greek has a tense that does not directly translate to English, because our pagan language doesn't have any such tense.
the things the apostles bound or loosed on earth were already bound or loosed in heaven before it ever entered their mind to speak a word. the authority is in heaven, in Christ, not in man, apart from Eternal LORD God Almighty Christ dwelling in men; whatever the apostles did is what was appointed already before them: they are servants carrying out the will of the Master who is before all things. go look it up and see if i am not telling you the truth!

@post your ideas are very apostate. @theefaith is telling correctly the truth about authority.