God changed Seventh Day Sabbath Worship to First Day of the Week

[BarneyFife]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where God (or Jesus) say Saturday is the last day of the week.

You'll wait forever. There is ample evidence that the weekly cycle has never changed. According to Merriam-Webster (not God or Jesus or Thomas Kinkade) the word "Saturday" literally means "The seventh day of the week," but it wasn't even used before the 11th century. So it is not possible to find the words "Saturday is the last day of the week" in writings that were produced a millenium before the word "Saturday" existed. Hopefully, God will forgive you for what appears to be willful ignorance of His requirements. You can call this "judging," you can engage in all the deliberate, passive-aggressive obtusity you like. Sabbath-keepers are here not to condemn, but to exhort and warn. Your interaction with forum members will not determine anyone's eternal destiny. The Lord looks upon the heart, and we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

How can we be sure that Saturday is the Sabbath? Simple. By a variety of proofs that all converge on the same truth. First the Jews themselves who faithfully observed the Sabbath from generation to generation must KNOW more than any other, and they observe Saturday!! Second, the commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 makes plain "THE seventh day is THE Sabbath", and whenever the word "THE" is used it is specific and not general. Thus God did not require the Sabbath to be "a" seventh day, but rather "THE" seventh day each week, and on almost every calendar around the world (with seven days in each week) it is plain that Sunday is the first day of the week and Saturday is THE seventh day. And just like any anniversary or birthday, it is fixed, but in this case weekly. You couldn't change the fixed date of your wedding anniversary, or the fixed date of your birthday, so why change the fixed weekly memorial of creation? See Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 16:1-30 with Acts 13:42-44. Thirdly, almost all of Christendom accepts that Jesus was crucified on "Good Friday", which was three days before Jesus resurrected three days after on what the Bible plainly calls "the first day of the week"!! And everybody almost calls it "Easter Sunday". The day after Good Friday was clearly the seventh day occurring before the first, and it is Saturday!! The whole of Christianity knows which is the first day of the week, and they know too which day comes before that in a seven day week...its Saturday!! Finally, in many languages of the world, the seventh day or Saturday is called "Sabado", as in Spanish, reminding which day was THE Sabbath!! Now if so many facts converge on the same day, Saturday, only abject stubbornness could harbor doubt!! SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH, BECAUSE IT IS THE SEVENTH DAY!!

 

[Bob Estey]

You'll wait forever. There is ample evidence that the weekly cycle has never changed. According to Merriam-Webster (not God or Jesus or Thomas Kinkade) the word "Saturday" literally means "The seventh day of the week," but it wasn't even used before the 11th century. So it is not possible to find the words "Saturday is the last day of the week" in writings that were produced a millenium before the word "Saturday" existed. Hopefully, God will forgive you for what appears to be willful ignorance of His requirements. You can call this "judging," you can engage in all the deliberate, passive-aggressive obtusity you like. Sabbath-keepers are here not to condemn, but to exhort and warn. Your interaction with forum members will not determine anyone's eternal destiny. The Lord looks upon the heart, and we will all stand before the judgment seat of Christ.

How can we be sure that Saturday is the Sabbath? Simple. By a variety of proofs that all converge on the same truth. First the Jews themselves who faithfully observed the Sabbath from generation to generation must KNOW more than any other, and they observe Saturday!! Second, the commandment in Exodus 20:8-11 makes plain "THE seventh day is THE Sabbath", and whenever the word "THE" is used it is specific and not general. Thus God did not require the Sabbath to be "a" seventh day, but rather "THE" seventh day each week, and on almost every calendar around the world (with seven days in each week) it is plain that Sunday is the first day of the week and Saturday is THE seventh day. And just like any anniversary or birthday, it is fixed, but in this case weekly. You couldn't change the fixed date of your wedding anniversary, or the fixed date of your birthday, so why change the fixed weekly memorial of creation? See Genesis 2:1-3 and Exodus 16:1-30 with Acts 13:42-44. Thirdly, almost all of Christendom accepts that Jesus was crucified on "Good Friday", which was three days before Jesus resurrected three days after on what the Bible plainly calls "the first day of the week"!! And everybody almost calls it "Easter Sunday". The day after Good Friday was clearly the seventh day occurring before the first, and it is Saturday!! The whole of Christianity knows which is the first day of the week, and they know too which day comes before that in a seven day week...its Saturday!! Finally, in many languages of the world, the seventh day or Saturday is called "Sabado", as in Spanish, reminding which day was THE Sabbath!! Now if so many facts converge on the same day, Saturday, only abject stubbornness could harbor doubt!! SATURDAY IS THE SABBATH, BECAUSE IT IS THE SEVENTH DAY!!

I suspect you're right about my having to wait forever.

 

[Brakelite]

I think many miss the purpose of the Sabbath. Remember this:

[27] And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
[28] so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28 RSV

We need a day of rest each week. If your boss has you working Saturday and Sunday, then get your day of rest on Monday, or Tuesday, or whenever you can.

When was the last time you read the commandment itself? You are correct, the Sabbath was a gift for the benefit of mankind. That gift is opened when we obey the Commandment. It isn't up to us to change the day according to our convenience. It's up to us to keep a specific day, the seventh, holy. You can demand from us till the cows in Arabia freeze, that you want proof that Saturday is the seventh day, personally I think that's just a ridiculous stall and diversion and an attempt to be clever. Try that with God Himself, we aren't your judge.

 

[BarneyFife]

I suspect you're right about my having to wait forever.

You bet your boots, you are.

 

[BarneyFife]

I suspect you're right about my having to wait forever.

When you see the very light of His countenance, you'll know when the last day of the week is.

 

[GEN2REV]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where God (or Jesus) say Saturday is the last day of the week.

Bob, I haven't addressed you directly yet because I've been following as 2-3 others discuss these things with you and answer your questions. There didn't seem to be a need. But you continue to dodge their answers and 'move the goal posts' with new-angled questions so it's clear you are not here to learn, you are here to argue against a concept you refuse to accept.

That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there is no place in scripture where God/Jesus speaks a single word about the names of days because they didn't exist then, and really it's irrelevant.

What matters is the numbered designation of the days because that's how they began, and were referred to BY God very clearly, and that's how they can still be identified.

Here is some info on that, but I understand you will simply change tactics and seek a new question after reading this because you are not seeking Truth, you are seeking to discredit the concept of the 7th day Saturday Sabbath. Period.

"We can look to the Jews, who have tracked and kept the seventh-day Sabbath for millennia, and be confident that our current Saturday is the seventh day of the week, on the same weekly cycle that has been in place since the beginning of creation—a cycle established and confirmed by God Himself. ...

Did the change to the Gregorian calendar in 1582 lose track of the seventh day?
From 46 B.C. up to A.D. 1582, the Western world used what is called the Julian calendar. It was a vast improvement over the previous Roman calendars because it finally kept the months in sync with the seasons. However, after many centuries even the Julian calendar was about 10 days out of sync with the solar system.

In 1582 the old Julian calendar was replaced with the new, improved Gregorian calendar, which is the calendar system we still use today. At the time of the change to the new calendar system, those 10 days were simply dropped out of the calendar to get the dating system of the calendar back in sync with the solar system. It was Thursday, Oct. 4, 1582, and the next day, Friday, should have been Oct. 5. However, the new calendar made the next day Oct. 15 instead.

That change had no impact on the seven-day weekly cycle. Whether that following Friday was numbered as the 5th of the month or the 15th of the month, it was still the sixth day of the week, and the day that followed was still the seventh day of the week.

Even today we regularly add a day into our calendar every four years. We call it a “leap year.” Changing the number of days in a calendar month does not alter the weekly cycle—there is no six-day week, or eight-day week.

So we can conclude confidently that our current Saturday is the seventh day of the week, on the same weekly cycle that has been in place since the beginning of creation—a cycle established and confirmed by God Himself."

How Can We Be Sure that Saturday is the Seventh Day?

 

[JunChosen]

I'm still waiting for someone to tell me where God (or Jesus) say Saturday is the last day of the week.

Just as the OP has stated, Matthew 28:1... "In the end of the sabbaths" that is an era of sabbaths is ending which the Seventh Day Sabbath is in view.

To God Be The Glory

 

[BarneyFife]

And the smoke of their torment ascends forever and ever; and they have no REST day or night, who worship the beast and his image, and whoever receives the mark of his name.” (Revelation 14:11)

 

[Bob Estey]

When was the last time you read the commandment itself? You are correct, the Sabbath was a gift for the benefit of mankind. That gift is opened when we obey the Commandment. It isn't up to us to change the day according to our convenience. It's up to us to keep a specific day, the seventh, holy. You can demand from us till the cows in Arabia freeze, that you want proof that Saturday is the seventh day, personally I think that's just a ridiculous stall and diversion and an attempt to be clever. Try that with God Himself, we aren't your judge.

Where does the Lord tell us which day of the week is the last day of the week?

 

[Bob Estey]

You bet your boots, you are.

Sheriff Taylor wears boots. Not I.

 

[Bob Estey]

Bob, I haven't addressed you directly yet because I've been following as 2-3 others discuss these things with you and answer your questions. There didn't seem to be a need. But you continue to dodge their answers and 'move the goal posts' with new-angled questions so it's clear you are not here to learn, you are here to argue against a concept you refuse to accept.

That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there is no place in scripture where God/Jesus speaks a single word about the names of days because they didn't exist then, and really it's irrelevant.

What matters is the numbered designation of the days because that's how they began, and were referred to BY God very clearly, and that's how they can still be identified.

Here is some info on that, but I understand you will simply change tactics and seek a new question after reading this because you are not seeking Truth, you are seeking to discredit the concept of the 7th day Saturday Sabbath. Period.

"We can look to the Jews, who have tracked and kept the seventh-day Sabbath for millennia, and be confident that our current Saturday is the seventh day of the week, on the same weekly cycle that has been in place since the beginning of creation—a cycle established and confirmed by God Himself. ...

Did the change to the Gregorian calendar in 1582 lose track of the seventh day?
From 46 B.C. up to A.D. 1582, the Western world used what is called the Julian calendar. It was a vast improvement over the previous Roman calendars because it finally kept the months in sync with the seasons. However, after many centuries even the Julian calendar was about 10 days out of sync with the solar system.

In 1582 the old Julian calendar was replaced with the new, improved Gregorian calendar, which is the calendar system we still use today. At the time of the change to the new calendar system, those 10 days were simply dropped out of the calendar to get the dating system of the calendar back in sync with the solar system. It was Thursday, Oct. 4, 1582, and the next day, Friday, should have been Oct. 5. However, the new calendar made the next day Oct. 15 instead.

That change had no impact on the seven-day weekly cycle. Whether that following Friday was numbered as the 5th of the month or the 15th of the month, it was still the sixth day of the week, and the day that followed was still the seventh day of the week.

Even today we regularly add a day into our calendar every four years. We call it a “leap year.” Changing the number of days in a calendar month does not alter the weekly cycle—there is no six-day week, or eight-day week.

So we can conclude confidently that our current Saturday is the seventh day of the week, on the same weekly cycle that has been in place since the beginning of creation—a cycle established and confirmed by God Himself."

How Can We Be Sure that Saturday is the Seventh Day?

I'm waiting for someone to tell me where the Lord says which day of the week is the last day of the week.

 

[Ziggy]

I think many miss the purpose of the Sabbath. Remember this:

[27] And he said to them, "The sabbath was made for man, not man for the sabbath;
[28] so the Son of man is lord even of the sabbath." Mark 2:27-28 RSV

We need a day of rest each week. If your boss has you working Saturday and Sunday, then get your day of rest on Monday, or Tuesday, or whenever you can.

I agree with your analogy about bosses giving their worker's a day off, regardless of the name of the day.
That's now, in this present age. Things were somewhat different when Israel was wondering around a desert for 40 years looking for the promised land.

I was doing that thinking thing again.. and people say I don't study..geesh..
Faith overcomes ALL obstacles.
There was a conflict in the law. Something about performing circumcision on the Sabbath in order to fulfil the law.
It's not the subject that got me thinking.. it was, what is acceptable to do on the Sabbath.
The law really has nothing to do with what to do.
It tells you what not to do.
So if there is a conflict where the child is 8 days old on the Sabbath day.. what do you do?

And it comes down to an act of Faith, not Law.
And I believe the whole law should be re-evaluated from a faith based point of view.
There some really good ideas in the law. Some dietary laws, which now we know if you eat pork uncooked or some seafood uncooked, you can get food poisoning. I don't believe God withheld it because he didn't want you eating shrimp on the barbie, or bacon wrapped cheesburgers.
But they didn't always have the propper cooking technics.
I also believe that everything in the law has multiple meanings.. like swine, and foxes, and snakes..
I believe they show the character of a person... you tell that fox... vipers even..

I know we're not held accountable for the penalties of breaking the law, because no man could keep it.
They didn't have the NT keys to unlock the spiritual meaning embedded in it.

So I'm going off on another ramble.. I try to keep up with my thoughts but they move so fast.

God set a marker. This day.. let's call it the seventh day. From here on in, let all the people rest with me while I rest in the day I made to rest in.
That's called like.. SHARING.

Nobody wants to share anymore. Everybody all worried about me and mine and you mean I may have to give up something?
But I'll miss a day of pay, my boss might get mad.. If you don't take care of you, and God has provided a way for you to take care of you.
if you don't do it, no one else will.
You'll put your nose to the grind just to get somewhere.. where I don't know, because this aint home..
we're just passing through.
But so much work work work, we lose focus on the homeward journey.

I believe that is what the Sabbath is for.
regardless what day you call it.
It is there ALL the time because God gave it to us.
And we can come and go whenever we are tired and overworked.
The Door is waiting to be opened, all one needs is to pass through and find pasture to rest in.

The Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath. And He says we should come to him when we are heavy laden.
And we enter by faith. Faith is greater than the name on the calendar.
It's not so much a when, but a where.

Happy Sabbath
HUGS

 

[Bob Estey]

Just as the OP has stated, Matthew 28:1... "In the end of the sabbaths" that is an era of sabbaths is ending which the Seventh Day Sabbath is in view.

To God Be The Glory

I'm having difficulty understanding the point you are making.

 

[BarneyFife]

Just as the OP has stated, Matthew 28:1... "In the end of the sabbaths" that is an era of sabbaths is ending which the Seventh Day Sabbath is in view.

To God Be The Glory

...as also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things, in which are some things hard to understand, which untaught and unstable people twist to their own destruction, as they do also the rest of the Scriptures. (2 Peter 3:16)

 

[BarneyFife]

Exodus 16
4) Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. 5) And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”

27) Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28) And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29) See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30) So the people rested on the seventh day.

 

[BarneyFife]

John 5
43I have come in My Father’s name, and you do not receive Me; if another comes in his own name, him you will receive. 44How can you believe, who receive honor from one another, and do not seek the honor that comes from the only God? 45Do not think that I shall accuse you to the Father; there is one who accuses you—Moses, in whom you trust. 46For if you believed Moses, you would believe Me; for he wrote about Me. 47But if you do not believe his writings, how will you believe My words?”

 

[GEN2REV]

Exodus 16
4) Then the Lord said to Moses, “Behold, I will rain bread from heaven for you. And the people shall go out and gather a certain quota every day, that I may test them, whether they will walk in My law or not. 5) And it shall be on the sixth day that they shall prepare what they bring in, and it shall be twice as much as they gather daily.”

27) Now it happened that some of the people went out on the seventh day to gather, but they found none. 28) And the Lord said to Moses, “How long do you refuse to keep My commandments and My laws? 29) See! For the Lord has given you the Sabbath; therefore He gives you on the sixth day bread for two days. Let every man remain in his place; let no man go out of his place on the seventh day.” 30) So the people rested on the seventh day.

This passage also proves that the Sabbath Commandment was given WELL BEFORE the Stone Tablets by Moses.

Which, in turn, proves that the Commandments WERE NOT given only to a specific race of people, namely the Jews. They were given to ALL who worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (Israel).

Which, IN TURN, proves that they are still relevant TODAY … and always will be!

 

[GEN2REV]

I'm having difficulty understanding the point you are making.

Zechariah 7:11-12
" ... they refused to heed, shrugged their shoulders, and stopped their ears so that they could not hear. Yes, they made their hearts like flint, refusing to hear ... the words which the Lord of hosts had sent by His Spirit ..."

 

[Ziggy]

Bob, I haven't addressed you directly yet because I've been following as 2-3 others discuss these things with you and answer your questions. There didn't seem to be a need. But you continue to dodge their answers and 'move the goal posts' with new-angled questions so it's clear you are not here to learn, you are here to argue against a concept you refuse to accept.

That's fine. Nothing wrong with that. I'm sure there is no place in scripture where God/Jesus speaks a single word about the names of days because they didn't exist then, and really it's irrelevant.

What matters is the numbered designation of the days because that's how they began, and were referred to BY God very clearly, and that's how they can still be identified.

Here is some info on that, but I understand you will simply change tactics and seek a new question after reading this because you are not seeking Truth, you are seeking to discredit the concept of the 7th day Saturday Sabbath. Period.

"We can look to the Jews, who have tracked and kept the seventh-day Sabbath for millennia, and be confident that our current Saturday is the seventh day of the week, on the same weekly cycle that has been in place since the beginning of creation—a cycle established and confirmed by God Himself. ...

Did the change to the Gregorian calendar in 1582 lose track of the seventh day?
From 46 B.C. up to A.D. 1582, the Western world used what is called the Julian calendar. It was a vast improvement over the previous Roman calendars because it finally kept the months in sync with the seasons. However, after many centuries even the Julian calendar was about 10 days out of sync with the solar system.

In 1582 the old Julian calendar was replaced with the new, improved Gregorian calendar, which is the calendar system we still use today. At the time of the change to the new calendar system, those 10 days were simply dropped out of the calendar to get the dating system of the calendar back in sync with the solar system. It was Thursday, Oct. 4, 1582, and the next day, Friday, should have been Oct. 5. However, the new calendar made the next day Oct. 15 instead.

That change had no impact on the seven-day weekly cycle. Whether that following Friday was numbered as the 5th of the month or the 15th of the month, it was still the sixth day of the week, and the day that followed was still the seventh day of the week.

Even today we regularly add a day into our calendar every four years. We call it a “leap year.” Changing the number of days in a calendar month does not alter the weekly cycle—there is no six-day week, or eight-day week.

So we can conclude confidently that our current Saturday is the seventh day of the week, on the same weekly cycle that has been in place since the beginning of creation—a cycle established and confirmed by God Himself."

How Can We Be Sure that Saturday is the Seventh Day?

There was a day when the Lord commanded the sun to stand still, was it for a full day?
And if so, could that have had an impact of the evening and the morning calendar?

This is really interesting:
Jos 10:12 Then spake Joshua to the LORD in the day when the LORD delivered up the Amorites before the children of Israel, and he said in the sight of Israel, Sun, stand thou still upon Gibeon; and thou, Moon, in the valley of Ajalon.
Jos 10:13 And the sun stood still, and the moon stayed, until the people had avenged themselves upon their enemies. Is not this written in the book of Jasher? So the sun stood still in the midst of heaven, and hasted not to go down about a whole day.
Jos 10:14 And there was no day like that before it or after it, that the LORD hearkened unto the voice of a man: for the LORD fought for Israel.

So now we have no more manna being rained on the ground to determine the 6th day from the 7th day.
I believe when Israel was brought under Nebuchadnezzar they would have been forced to adapt to their culture.

Except Daniel.
Daniel kept the Sabbath and put his life on the line multiple times for not listening to the "world"
I have to go back and read the book, but didn't King Nebuchadnzar tell the people to believe in Daniel's God?
Would Daniel have reinstated the seventh day?

There's a lot of history. We can't just blow it off like hmmph it's just a day..
There is a real purpose for it. And I believe that purpose is still in effect today.
And I believe it means a whole lot more than we think it does, because God was adamant about keeping it.

Was it only for Israel that was freed from oppression of Pharoah in Egypt?
Or does it apply to the oppressions the world brings down on us throughout all our generations?
I don't believe the Lord left us out of that promise of finding rest for the land, for the people, for the beasts, His creation.
Something about His creation having a change.. a rest?

Rom 8:22 For we know that the whole creation groaneth and travaileth in pain together until now.
Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.
Rom 8:24 For we are saved by hope: but hope that is seen is not hope: for what a man seeth, why doth he yet hope for?
Rom 8:25 But if we hope for that we see not, then do we with patience wait for it.

Patiently waiting for what?
I believe we are still waiting for the ultimate seventh and last day.
God's Sabbath which was given to us to rest in.

And we are to keep it weekly so we don't forget it.
It's that important.
Don't forget..
and if your not resting, where and when you should be resting...
you may become collateral damage.

just saying..
Thank You
Hugs

 

[Ziggy]

whether they will walk in My law or not.

Yes, yes yes..
but not the letter... the Spirit of the law.
What was the reason God gave man the Sabbath?
Will they do unto others as I have done unto them?

Is not this the Spirit of the MY law, that God wants us to walk in?
But they couldn't hear it, because their hearts were hard and their ears was deaf.

Jhn 5:19 Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Mat 11:28 Come unto me, all ye that labour and are heavy laden, and I will give you rest.

Why did God give Israel his Sabbath?

This is serious stuff..
Hugs