The problem with the Bible alone!

[LTJMP14]

The real problem with Bible alone, is that it gets in the way of teachings and traditions of men apart from God.

There are people who really, really like lies over truth, especially when they really really study them very very carefully.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Who would want to forbid men to marry, or to abstain from certain meats?

Those who reject the Bible is the sole source for traditions and doctrine and commandment of God.

Why go through all the psycho-babble of pretended honor toward Scripture, in order to reject Scripture? Just be open and honest about it, and say you don't want to be limited by Scripture, because you really like a bunch of other stuff outside Scripture.

Hear, hear! Er, Amen.

 

[David in NJ]

The real problem with Bible alone, is that it gets in the way of teachings and traditions of men apart from God.

There are people who really, really like lies over truth, especially when they really really study them very very carefully.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Who would want to forbid men to marry, or to abstain from certain meats?

Those who reject the Bible is the sole source for traditions and doctrine and commandment of God.

Why go through all the psycho-babble of pretended honor toward Scripture, in order to reject Scripture? Just be open and honest about it, and say you don't want to be limited by Scripture, because you really like a bunch of other stuff outside Scripture.

Now that's what I'm talking about..........love it Brother.....say it like you mean it.

 

[amigo de christo]

The real problem with Bible alone, is that it gets in the way of teachings and traditions of men apart from God.

There are people who really, really like lies over truth, especially when they really really study them very very carefully.

Now the Spirit speaketh expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
Speaking lies in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron; Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God hath created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

Who would want to forbid men to marry, or to abstain from certain meats?

Those who reject the Bible is the sole source for traditions and doctrine and commandment of God.

Why go through all the psycho-babble of pretended honor toward Scripture, in order to reject Scripture? Just be open and honest about it, and say you don't want to be limited by Scripture, because you really like a bunch of other stuff outside Scripture.

This hit the nail RIGHT ON IN . One strike and and in it went . THIS IS TRUE MY FRIEND .

 

[amigo de christo]

Now that's what I'm talking about..........love it Brother.....say it like you mean it.

That hit the nail in with one swift strike . ITS SO TRUE MY FRIEND .

 

[amigo de christo]

Hear, hear! Er, Amen.

Exactly my friends . exactly . One swift strike and in that nail went . Right to the point . AND TRUE IT IS .

 

[farouk]

And the same for every faithful Baptist, Methodist, Lutheran, Episcopalian, Anglican, non-denominational, Jew, Arab, et al.

The universal church is all of those in the world who have said yes to God's grace offer and thereafter follow Jesus.

@LTJMP14 Yes, this would seem so, indeed.

 

[Taken]

"robert derrick, post: 1102810, member: 10263"

Those who reject the Bible is the sole source for traditions and doctrine and commandment of God.

Why go through all the psycho-babble of pretended honor toward Scripture, in order to reject Scripture? Just be open and honest about it, and say you don't want to be limited by Scripture, because you really like a bunch of other stuff outside Scripture.

THAT IS A CONDUNRUM of sorts.

EVERYTHING has a basis IN Scripture.
BECAUSE...Scripture "IS" a BOOK of:
DO "THIS" ...and DO NOT DO "THAT".

On one hand...IS the person who ACCEPTS...the "DO THIS"...

On the other hand....IS the person who ACCEPTS....the "DO NOT DO THAT"...

AND EACH, can claim, it is SCRIPTURALLY BASED! AND it "IS"!

To your point....
That is where the DECEPTION get to the nitty gritty.
The sideline WORKS of men. The "OUTSIDE" of Scripture....writings, documents, doctrines, creeds, dogmas, teaching.....FICTION.
BY...
Taking a particular Scripture....AND "DICTATING", THE MEANING, THE UNDERSTANDING, OF THE SCRIPTURE....
"ACCORDING TO Philosophies, Ideas, projections OF MEN, as absolute FACT"!

THE PROBLEM...
Scripture itself.... TEACHES...THE TRUTH...
1) Scripture itself IS Gods Acceptable TRUTH.
2) Private interpretation IS unacceptable.
3) WARNING Against private interpretation.
4) God Himself, gives INDIVIDUALS HIS Understanding of HIS OWN Word.

Men Writing Books, Booklets, Doctrines, etc. "Declaring Gods Understanding"... AND other men ACCEPTING those "writings" AS ON IT"S FACE A FACT'.... Absolutely GOES AGAINST what SCRIPTURE TEACHES....
.....TEST, VERIFY, VERIFY, VERIFY.... EVERYTHING you HEAR, are TOLD, are TAUGHT!"

THUS.... HOW TO VERIFY, what IS Gods Understanding of HIS OWN WORD?
EXACTLY...as Scripture teaches.... ASK the Lord God Himself!

And WHO will get an answer? EVERY man WHO....IS: WITH God and IN the Christ Lord God Himself!

WHY the exclusive "WITH and IN" ?
Because God is a God of the LIVING and it is the LIVING, who IS; "WITH" God, and "IN" Christ the Lord.

Glory to God,
Taken

 

[Robert Gwin]

the last days began at Pentecost

Mat 24:34

 

[robert derrick]

We learn more truth of Scripture sometimes by listening to those that oppose themselves in Scripture. By rejecting the lies against Scripture, we must be more certain about Scripture to refute them.

The more they come up with arguments against Scripture and Bible alone, then the more we must learn of Scripture to refute them. The enemies of Scripture can be the best source for instruction in Scripture.

Those who go outside of the Bible for doctrine ad tradition of God, go to men and their own word preached for that of God.

They believe that god would actually look down upon men to hear what they have to say, and then decide to use some of it in His Scripture, because He agrees with man about Himself. The Word of God is God's revealed Word about Himself, and He would use men's groping ideas about Himself to do so...

There are only two sources taught for truth of God in the world: the true God of Scripture, and the false gods outside of Scripture.

The true God is Jesus Christ, the Word of God, and all the false gods are from that old serpent and dragon, the Devil.

Lucifer began his fall by thinking to ascend unto the Most High and be like God, and he has continued in his downfall by raising up men to be like prophets and apostles of God: still trying to make his devilish word to be like that of God in the darkened hearts and minds of men.

Why would people claiming faith in Jesus Christ reject the Bible as the sole source for the truth of God, when the Bible is the only source for the gospel of the way, the truth, and the life: Jesus Christ.

Of course it makes no sense, but why?

Mystery Babylon

 

[David in NJ]

We learn more truth of Scripture sometimes by listening to those that oppose themselves in Scripture. By rejecting the lies against Scripture, we must be more certain about Scripture to refute them.

The more they come up with arguments against Scripture and Bible alone, then the more we must learn of Scripture to refute them. The enemies of Scripture can be the best source for instruction in Scripture.

Those who go outside of the Bible for doctrine ad tradition of God, go to men and their own word preached for that of God.

They believe that god would actually look down upon men to hear what they have to say, and then decide to use some of it in His Scripture, because He agrees with man about Himself. The Word of God is God's revealed Word about Himself, and He would use men's groping ideas about Himself to do so...

There are only two sources taught for truth of God in the world: the true God of Scripture, and the false gods outside of Scripture.

The true God is Jesus Christ, the Word of God, and all the false gods are from that old serpent and dragon, the Devil.

Lucifer began his fall by thinking to ascend unto the Most High and be like God, and he has continued in his downfall by raising up men to be like prophets and apostles of God: still trying to make his devilish word to be like that of God in the darkened hearts and minds of men.

Why would people claiming faith in Jesus Christ reject the Bible as the sole source for the truth of God, when the Bible is the only source for the gospel of the way, the truth, and the life: Jesus Christ.

Of course it makes no sense, but why?

Mystery Babylon

You said :We learn more truth of Scripture sometimes by listening to those that oppose themselves in Scripture. By rejecting the lies against Scripture, we must be more certain about Scripture to refute them

CORRECT - This is a very precious way in which the Holy Spirit acts as our Comforter by the Knowing of Truth as opposed to the spirit of error.

The Scripture cannot lie - but men do.

Order of Scripture
Woven throughout His Word
Clear to See if you bend the Knee
Not to me or to other men
But to God
Who holds the Eternal Pen

 

[theefaith]

Hello @theefaith,

The word 'limited' is unsatisfactory: for God is not limited, neither are His words: for they are 'spirit' and they are 'life'; they are 'quick' and 'powerful' and sharper than a two-edged sword. I believe also that they are the sum of all Divine revelation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

for example Lk 3:2

Hello @theefaith,

The word 'limited' is unsatisfactory: for God is not limited, neither are His words: for they are 'spirit' and they are 'life'; they are 'quick' and 'powerful' and sharper than a two-edged sword. I believe also that they are the sum of all Divine revelation.

Thank you
In Christ Jesus
Chris

For example:

lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

these are divine revelation!
Inspired by the Holy Spirit!
And the word of God!

why do some only accept them after they are written down?

they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???

 

[theefaith]

It already started to happen in 508AD where the paganised Papal system persecuted the true believers, as prophesied in Daniel. Then the Papcy suffered a serious wound when in 1798 the king of France kidnapped the pope and separated the Papal church from the state. But as the prophecy stated, the healing of the wound started with the pact between Mussolini and the Papacy, and the Papacy has been growing in influence since then. There is a move among Evangelical churches to merge in unity with Rome and when that is complete, country's leaders will align themselves and the combination of Rome and state will resume, and that will be the start of the prophesied great tribulation. It is all there in Daniel and Revelation. So, it's not just my opinion. It is what Daniel prophesied hundreds of years before Christ, and in the vision that John saw near the end of the First Century AD.

At some time before that happens, millions of people will suddenly go missing all around the world. When that happens, the emergence of the Beast and AntiChrist will accelerate and people of all nations will be required to comply and worship the AntiChrist. When you see this happening, you will know that Bible prophecy is being fulfilled, and that you have backed the wrong horse.

So on the first four hundred years the popes were valid holy and faithful?

 

[theefaith]

Its limited in one sense . REST assured IF GOD speaks through a man , a prophet or etc
And that word does NOT AGREE with the truth in that bible , THEN ITS OF SATAN .
COME YE OUT my peoples , COME YE OUT of all houses who are blending truth with lies and making
a cake with wicked leaven and mixture of the holy with the profane . THIS all inclusive unity that Rome and others sell
IS a cake baked . And all who do bake it fall alseep and when they awake in the morning its burned black to a crisp .
SO too shall all those who partake of the whores cup and her all inclusive cake shall be found on the day of the LORD .
FOR MIGHTY IS THE LORD MY GOD WHO JUDGES THE WHORE and her children . COME YE OUT from amonst them
that none does partake of her sins and then RECIEVE of the plagues that GOD shall send against Her and all her we are one children .

For example:


lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

Or

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:


these are divine revelation!

Inspired by the Holy Spirit!

And the word of God!


why do some only accept them after they are written down?


they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???

 

[theefaith]

God is raising up a remnant Holy and devoted to the truth of the Word of God. The Word of God is alive in them and cuts to the marrow perfecting the Love of God in them. God still speaks to his people and they grow in their relationship with Him. Are you a part of that Holy Remnant? Do you know Jesus and does He Know you?

Wherefore seeing we also are compassed about with so great a cloud of witnesses, let us lay aside every weight, and the sin which doth so easily beset us, and let us run with patience the race that is set before us, Looking unto Jesus the author and finisher of our faith; who for the joy that was set before him endured the cross, despising the shame, and is set down at the right hand of the throne of God. (Hebrews 12:1-2)

who are the apostles who lead these remnant?

For example:


lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.

Or

1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:


these are divine revelation!

Inspired by the Holy Spirit!

And the word of God!


why do some only accept them after they are written down?


they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???

 

[theefaith]

these verses are true- but not concerning the unique false doctrines of Catholicism.

Concerning Mary, Purgatory, Limbo, eating meat on Friday, transubstantiation, penance, works salvation, etc.etc.etc.

meat on Friday is a discipline not doctrine the rest are biblical

for example:

Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!


Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.

How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!

How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a goddess be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could a goddess be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could a goddess be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?

Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!

 

[theefaith]

Not the RCC as it is currently constituted but yes. You are confusing the collection of those who believe Jesus is the Messiah, the son of God and their personal lord and savior with a corrupt institution founded by councils of men 11 centuries after Jesus was crucified.

well the church is an institution and a body visible, and the kingdom with a visible ruler! Now what is it?
Believer are not Christians!
But only catechumens being instructed in the faith, baptism is required to become Christians!

 

[theefaith]

Outside sources of outside traditions and teachings are outside God and His Word, and so they are outside the faith of Jesus and His salvation.

You can hold to all the teachings and doctrines outside of scripture you want, but in the end we will all be judged by the gospel preached according to the scriptures.

The tree of the knowledge of good and evil was the first outside source apart from God's Word. And it continues to be the outside source of all doctrines outside of scripture.

And if any eat thereof to believe and obey them as doctrine of God, then they no longer have right to the tree of Life, which is God's Word, which is written in God's Scriptures.

God is the only source for His Word, and the Bible is the only book in all His Word is written in Scripture.

Anything outside of the Bible, not found written therein, nor found agreeing thereto, is the fruit of poisonous tree that kills the soul.

Outside traditions are the light that is darkness indeed, who's source is him that transforms himself into an angel of light: that old serpent and dragon, the devil.

For example:

Lk 3:2 Annas and Caiaphas being the high priests, the word of God came unto John the son of Zacharias in the wilderness.
Or
1 cor 11:23 For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, that the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread:

these are divine revelation!
Inspired by the Holy Spirit!
And the word of God!

why do some only accept them after they are written down?

they are divine revelation and the inspired word of God when they were received, and when they were taught to the people, and when they were written down! Why only accept them in the written form or “Bible alone”???

 

[Wrangler]

well the church is an institution and a body visible, and the kingdom with a visible ruler! Now what is it?
Believer are not Christians!
But only catechumens being instructed in the faith, baptism is required to become Christians!

Do you hear yourself?

Not only does what you wrote make no sense, it really does not address my point.

If I read into what you wrote, it appears that your mind cannot differentiate a collection of saints, believers in Jesus with the RCC.

 

[theefaith]

Do you hear yourself?

Not only does what you wrote make no sense, it really does not address my point.

If I read into what you wrote, it appears that your mind cannot differentiate a collection of saints, believers in Jesus with the RCC.

believers are catechumens not Christians!

 

[Ferris Bueller]

meat on Friday is a discipline not doctrine the rest are biblical

for example:

Biblical Mary:

Mother of God Lk 1:43

Immaculate conception (sinless) gen 3:15 enmity or total war none of satans works are found in Mary
Also Lk 1:28 full of grace lk 1:49 great things plural (immaculate conception of Mary and the miraculous conception of Jesus) Rev12:1 woman clothed with the sun. Immaculate purity

Lk 1:30 found favor with God (the salvation lost by Adam) mother of our salvation Lk 2:30

Perpetual Virgin Isa 7:14 matt 1:21
Lk 1:31-34

A good tree!

Matthew 7:18
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit, neither can a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit.

The fruit of the tree of Mary is our salvation! Lk 2:30 Jesus is our salvation!
Lk 1:30 Mary found our salvation!


Proving That Mary is not a goddess and this tittle does not apply to Mary most holy, ever virgin mother of God!

Lk 1:28 Hail, Mary, full of grace, the Lord is with thee, blessed art thou amounts women.

How can a goddess be full of grace?
Hail Mary full of grace!

How can the Lord be with a goddess?
The lord is with thee!

How can a goddess be blessed!
Blessed art thou, and all generations shall call me blessed!

Lk 1: 43 And whence is this to me, that the mother of my Lord should come to me?

How can a goddess be the mother of God?

Lk 1: 45 And blessed is she that believed: for there shall be a performance of those things which were told her from the Lord.

How could a goddess be faithful?

Lk 1: 46 And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord,

47 And my spirit hath rejoiced in God my Saviour.

How could a goddess glorify God or have a savior?

Lk 1:48 For he hath regarded the low estate of his handmaiden: for, behold, from henceforth all generations shall call me blessed.

How could a goddess be humble?

Lk 1:49 For he that is mighty hath done to me great things; and holy is his name.

How could a goddess be the immaculate conception and the have the Holy Spirit accomplish the Miraculous conception of Jesus?

Matt 1:21 And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name Jesus: for he shall save his people from their sins.

22 Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet, saying,

23 Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, God with us.

How could a goddess be a perpetual Virgin bringing forth the savior of the world?

Jn 19:27 Then saith he to the disciple, Behold thy mother! And from that hour that disciple took her unto his own home.

How could a goddess be our spiritual mother?

Only a heretical fundamentalists brainwashing can say so!

“Who is My mother, and who are My brothers?” Pointing to His disciples, He said, “Here are My mother and My brothers. For whoever does the will of My Father in heaven is My brother and sister and mother.” Matthew 12:48-50​